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Guillermo del Toro on The Hobbit and Frankenstein

Source:Max Evry
October 6, 2008


The filmmaker formally known as Guillermo del Toro, now referred to ubiquitously as Guillermo "I'm making The Motherf****** 'Hobbit'" del Toro, appeared tonight at the Director's Guild of America in midtown Manhattan as part of The New Yorker Festival series of talks. During the conversation with New Yorker staff writer Daniel Zalewski, the director of such modern genre masterpieces as Pan's Labyrinth and the "Hellboy" series talked up some of his future projects, including the aforementioned two-film Tolkien adaptation as well as a new version of Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein."

Currently at the beginning of pre-production on The Hobbit, del Toro discussed his process of gathering ideas, or "feeding his brain," in order to conceptualize his own vision of Middle Earth unique from where Peter Jackson went in his "Lord of the Rings" trilogy…

"I find you have to discipline yourself to write in the morning, and then watch and read in the afternoons stuff that seems relevant, even in a tangential way. For example, reading or watching World War I documentaries or books that I think inform 'The Hobbit,' strangely enough, because I believe it is a book born out of Tolkien's generation's experience with World War I and the disappointment of being in that field and seeing all those values kind of collapse. I think it's a turning point that you need to familiarize yourself with. I'm starting. Peter Jackson is such a fan of that historical moment and obsessive collector of World War I memorabilia, and he owns several genuine, life-size working reproductions of planes, tanks, cannons, ships! He has the perfect obsessive reproductions of uniforms of that time for armies of about 120 soldiers... each. I asked him which books he recommended… because I wouldn't be watching 'Krull' or 'The Dark Crystal,' I need to find my OWN way into the story. That's the same way I did 'Pan's Labyrinth' or 'Devil's Backbone,' by watching stuff you wouldn't think about.

"All my life I've been fascinated by dragons. I was born under the Chinese sign of The Dragon. All my life I'm collecting dragons. It's such a powerful symbol, and in the context of 'The Hobbit' it is used to cast its shadow through the entire narrative. Essentially, Smaug represents so many things: greed, pride… he's 'the Magnificent,' after all. The way his shadow is cast in the narrative you cannot then show it and have it be one thing, he has to be the embodiment of all those things. He's one of the few dragons that will have enormous scenes with lines. He has some of the most beautiful dialogues in those scenes! The design, I'm pretty sure that will be the last design we will sign off on, and the first design we have attempted. It is certainly a matter of turning every stone before figuring out what he looks like, because what he looks like will tell you what he is."

After he completes his work on the two "Hobbit" films in 2012, the prodigiously optimistic del Toro has a whole slew of projects to keep him occupied until 2017, including a new version of Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde, his long-delayed Lovecraft adaptation At the Mountains of Madness, a just-announced trilogy of vampire novels (the first of which he claims is already written), and his own version of Frankenstein.

Del Toro is an acknowledged fan of "Frankenstein." He has busts of Boris Karloff as the monster in his house. One of his biggest filmic influences, the 1973 Spanish film The Spirit of the Beehive, revolves around a showing of the classic Universal Frankenstein. He has raved about Bernie Wrightson's illustrated version and the original Frank Darabont script eventually filmed as Mary Shelley's Frankenstein by Kenneth Branagh in '94 and all-but-disowned by Darabont. Del Toro's version, however, sounds decidedly different…

"I'm not doing 'Mary Shelly's Frankenstein.' I'm doing an adventure story that involves the creature. I cannot say much, but it's not the central creation story, I'm not worried about that. The fact is I've been dreaming of doing a 'Frankenstein' movie since I was a child. The one thing I can promise is, compared to Kenneth Branagh, I will not appear shirtless in the movie!"

When pressed by a fan during the Q & A regarding the Wargs' appearance in The Hobbit, del Toro seemed like a child dying to spill the big secret he has but forcing himself to show restraint, joking that "Warner Brothers has a sniper right here in the theater."

"There will be different sensibilities involved in this movie than there were in the original trilogy. First of all, because we have the travelogues in 'The Hobbit' which goes to places and variations on races that were not addressed in the trilogy. My belief on the 'Wargs' issue is that the classical incarnation of the demonic wolf in Nordic mythology is not a hyena-shaped creature. It is a wolf. The archetype is a wolf, so we're going to go back to the slender, archetypical wolf that is, I think, the inspiration for Tolkien. Listen… if we were having a drink two years from now I would spill the beans, because I'm a pretty easy guy about spilling the beans, but I can't in this instance I can't because it's three years from now... believe me, I am jumping up-and-down inside this fat body!"

COMMENTS (101)

Posted by:
Skeptic
October 6, 2008
To the person you said the Hobbit will be more of a childrens movie: I agree. But then, Peter Jackson's rendition of the LOTR trilogy was also overly child-friendly imo.

As for Guillermo del Toro – Pan's Labyrinth was a nice bit of story telling, and Blade 2 was good, but Hellboy 2 felt to me like a lazy re-hashing of Pan's, especially the effects and creature designs. Both Hellboy movies suffer from poor pacing.
Posted by:
Browncoat
October 6, 2008
I think it could get a PG-13 rating for some of the scary images, like the trolls, the goblins, some of the battle, etc. I read it as a child (and a few times since) and I think it will be great, esp. if they hold true to even the "scary" stuff.
Posted by:
David Murciano
October 7, 2008
I have always loved the Lord of the Rings trilogy. I thought that they were all great movies. I have also read The Hobbit. This was also a great book . Now that i hear that the director Toro will be creating a movie on the Hobbit, I am very excited. His movies have been great such as Hellboy and I am curious to see how he will portray the Hobbit, and see how it compares to the Lord of the Rings.
Posted by:
smuttwars
October 7, 2008
OMG..Del Toro is not a great film maker..come on! His movies were not great..
Posted by:
Penny Reese
October 7, 2008
He's a very talented director. He lost the plot (quite literally) with Hellboy II - it didn't have half the charm of the first one - but nearly everything else he's done I've enjoyed. And I'm very tolerant of their being two of him (I really resented the reviewers who tried to compare Hellboy II unfavourably with Pan's Labyrinth as if a director has to do the same movie over and over again... But all that said, I resent him doing the Hobbit because he's the only director I'm aware of who has a shot at doing a proper H.P.Lovecraft adaptation. Anyone could take a shot at the Hobbit and they'd stay true to the book as well. But few people could tackle Mountains of Madness and get away with keeping it true to the book. I worry that I will never see this film or if I do, it will be some monstrous blasphemy of an adaptation like almost every other Lovecraft adaptation has ever been. My thoughts, anyway. GT - if you're reading this: don't be a victim of your own success. Hellboy II made no sense whatsoever and the characters were horribly inconsistent. Do something pure and simple again. Do AtMoM. Respectfully, Penny.
Posted by:
Victor, Middle-earth4Life
October 7, 2008
i cannot wait!... until the Hobbit is released. I am a Tolkien book fan, and Peter Jackson movie fan with a passion, but this whole Guillermo thing has got me worried. Guillermo says he wants to keep the same feel and same everything as Peter's films, but then he's saying how the "Wargs," he believes, should actually look like wolves. yes, in the books they are described as wolf-like, but with a touch of fantasy and imagination. with him saying that, pretty much we won't be seeing our normal trilogy Wargs, which needless to say were perfectly created along with everything else that Peter Jackson brought to life to the movie screen. i just hope Peter stays on Guillermo's back throughout this project making sure this is the same Middle-earth we've journeyed within the last decade. as long as Peter's in this, he's got my support 100% and i can't wait for the big day.
Posted by:
ico
October 7, 2008
Why is everybody complaining?

Let Guillermo do whatever he wants, it's his movie now. Peter Jackson should just step back and let him do his thing. The Lord of the Rings was a great trilogy and Jackson did a great job but he gave this movie to Guillermo and if he really wanted it to go a certain way, he should have directed it himself. I hope this movie is completely different from Jcksons Lord of the Rings. Everybody keeps complaining that Guillermo is only famous now because of Pans Labyrinth but nobody seems to be mentioning that Jackson wasn't that well known until the Lord of the Rings. So basically i think that Guillermo should have free rein to do whatever he wants and Jackson should step back and let him make his own film.
Posted by:
Bad Man
October 7, 2008
Hellboy III better come out before 2017.
Posted by:
Snakeeyes
October 7, 2008
Good choice Peter. Good luck Del Toro.
Posted by:
astephan71
October 8, 2008
i love del toro's work, he's a great visionary and an awesome director. i think most of you are full of s***. i agree with vessel and the others about hell boy 2, it seemed like pan's labrynth 2 with the characters from hellboy. i think he's definently the man for the hobbit amd as ico said, peter should back the h*** off. it's del toro's movie now and he should have free reign. i think all of you forget too that the hobbit came before the lord of the rings, in fact the only reason he have lotr is because everyone loved the hobbit so much that they basicly made tolkien write a sequel. i think it would've been cool to see what gdt would've done with one of the later, darker harry potters, but it sounds like he's got some good projects in the works. also his frankenstein dosen't have to be a direct adaptation from mary shelly, look at what he did with cronos(one of his first big movies probably nobody knows about), it was a re-telling of the classic vampire story, not a remake of dracula. props to you del toro, i can't wait to see what you do with theese!!!!

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