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Guillermo del Toro on The Hobbit and Frankenstein

Source:Max Evry
October 6, 2008


The filmmaker formally known as Guillermo del Toro, now referred to ubiquitously as Guillermo "I'm making The Motherf****** 'Hobbit'" del Toro, appeared tonight at the Director's Guild of America in midtown Manhattan as part of The New Yorker Festival series of talks. During the conversation with New Yorker staff writer Daniel Zalewski, the director of such modern genre masterpieces as Pan's Labyrinth and the "Hellboy" series talked up some of his future projects, including the aforementioned two-film Tolkien adaptation as well as a new version of Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein."

Currently at the beginning of pre-production on The Hobbit, del Toro discussed his process of gathering ideas, or "feeding his brain," in order to conceptualize his own vision of Middle Earth unique from where Peter Jackson went in his "Lord of the Rings" trilogy…

"I find you have to discipline yourself to write in the morning, and then watch and read in the afternoons stuff that seems relevant, even in a tangential way. For example, reading or watching World War I documentaries or books that I think inform 'The Hobbit,' strangely enough, because I believe it is a book born out of Tolkien's generation's experience with World War I and the disappointment of being in that field and seeing all those values kind of collapse. I think it's a turning point that you need to familiarize yourself with. I'm starting. Peter Jackson is such a fan of that historical moment and obsessive collector of World War I memorabilia, and he owns several genuine, life-size working reproductions of planes, tanks, cannons, ships! He has the perfect obsessive reproductions of uniforms of that time for armies of about 120 soldiers... each. I asked him which books he recommended… because I wouldn't be watching 'Krull' or 'The Dark Crystal,' I need to find my OWN way into the story. That's the same way I did 'Pan's Labyrinth' or 'Devil's Backbone,' by watching stuff you wouldn't think about.

"All my life I've been fascinated by dragons. I was born under the Chinese sign of The Dragon. All my life I'm collecting dragons. It's such a powerful symbol, and in the context of 'The Hobbit' it is used to cast its shadow through the entire narrative. Essentially, Smaug represents so many things: greed, pride… he's 'the Magnificent,' after all. The way his shadow is cast in the narrative you cannot then show it and have it be one thing, he has to be the embodiment of all those things. He's one of the few dragons that will have enormous scenes with lines. He has some of the most beautiful dialogues in those scenes! The design, I'm pretty sure that will be the last design we will sign off on, and the first design we have attempted. It is certainly a matter of turning every stone before figuring out what he looks like, because what he looks like will tell you what he is."

After he completes his work on the two "Hobbit" films in 2012, the prodigiously optimistic del Toro has a whole slew of projects to keep him occupied until 2017, including a new version of Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde, his long-delayed Lovecraft adaptation At the Mountains of Madness, a just-announced trilogy of vampire novels (the first of which he claims is already written), and his own version of Frankenstein.

Del Toro is an acknowledged fan of "Frankenstein." He has busts of Boris Karloff as the monster in his house. One of his biggest filmic influences, the 1973 Spanish film The Spirit of the Beehive, revolves around a showing of the classic Universal Frankenstein. He has raved about Bernie Wrightson's illustrated version and the original Frank Darabont script eventually filmed as Mary Shelley's Frankenstein by Kenneth Branagh in '94 and all-but-disowned by Darabont. Del Toro's version, however, sounds decidedly different…

"I'm not doing 'Mary Shelly's Frankenstein.' I'm doing an adventure story that involves the creature. I cannot say much, but it's not the central creation story, I'm not worried about that. The fact is I've been dreaming of doing a 'Frankenstein' movie since I was a child. The one thing I can promise is, compared to Kenneth Branagh, I will not appear shirtless in the movie!"

When pressed by a fan during the Q & A regarding the Wargs' appearance in The Hobbit, del Toro seemed like a child dying to spill the big secret he has but forcing himself to show restraint, joking that "Warner Brothers has a sniper right here in the theater."

"There will be different sensibilities involved in this movie than there were in the original trilogy. First of all, because we have the travelogues in 'The Hobbit' which goes to places and variations on races that were not addressed in the trilogy. My belief on the 'Wargs' issue is that the classical incarnation of the demonic wolf in Nordic mythology is not a hyena-shaped creature. It is a wolf. The archetype is a wolf, so we're going to go back to the slender, archetypical wolf that is, I think, the inspiration for Tolkien. Listen… if we were having a drink two years from now I would spill the beans, because I'm a pretty easy guy about spilling the beans, but I can't in this instance I can't because it's three years from now... believe me, I am jumping up-and-down inside this fat body!"

COMMENTS (101)

Posted by:
Hush
October 5, 2008
I can't believe he is that in touch for the Hobit I have no worries at all now, thsi si going to be phenominal.
Posted by:
The Stupendous Yappi
October 5, 2008
"Blade II" ...... brilliant???

ROTFLMAO
Posted by:
j
October 5, 2008
No HB III :(! I thought HB was pretty goody and HB III was really good. They gotta make 1 more! I'm looking forward to The Hobbit alot! Dr. Jekkyl and Frankenstein will be amazing I'm sure.
Posted by:
Leroy Brown
October 5, 2008
AAy;
If it's not obvious from the context of the writing, I meant Frodo Baggins not Bilbo, duh. FRODO has a somewhat British accent and his boy-pal Samwise has a Americanized accent with a lilt of nobility. Happy?
Posted by:
Joker
October 5, 2008
I want to see Hellboy 3 before either of these movies.

But him doing Frankenstien would be cool.
Posted by:
pk00
October 5, 2008
Viggo didn't really have much of an 'english' accent in LOTR...he had a more 'neutral' accent..kind of like russell crowe in gladiator (he mixed american, british, and his native australian accent together).
Posted by:
daniel b.
October 5, 2008
agreed with pk00, Viggo did not have an english accent. it was very neutral.
Posted by:
Peter Jackson
October 5, 2008
I am sorry. I should direct Lord of the Rings. Del Toro is awful, and besides Pan's Labyrinth name a good movie he has done.
Posted by:
Rána Singollo
October 5, 2008
Ran across Obi Van's comments and had to say something. I'm not sure I see how the trolls or animals speaking (who, so far as I know, don't rhyme, but speak in a growling Cockneyed accent), or the music that has always been a part of Tolkien's world would detract from the film or mark a departure from The Lord of the Rings. The Lord of the Rings took place in war time, it was the end of the third age and the elves were leaving. With the exception of the prologue and the very beginning of the first film, the trilogy had a very somber tone and was filled with autumn imagery.

Even in light of the somber nature of the trilogy, Peter Jackson chose not to abandon the music of the story. Most of it was confined to the hobbits who held on to the innocence that was being lost in the rest of the world. However, even the elves were heard singing their haunting lament for Mithrandir. Aragorn passed much of his time along the journey singing songs of the past.

The hobbit takes place in a time of peace, in the summer before the autumn, and the elves are still in their prime. I am certain that they will have an opportunity to sing, and we will have an opportunity to see an Imladris that is a house of peace and cheer and is not focused on the ring, or the rising power in the East.

Trolls are stupid, but they are not beasts. If the orcs could talk in Lord of the Rings, the trolls likely could talk as well. They just had no reason to say anything in the Lord of the Rings because every time we saw them they were in combat or pulling heavy objects.

As for the talking animals, I can remember a raven (a bird that can realistically be taught to speak, and in a fantasy world can also be potentially blessed with slightly greater intelligence); a thrush (likely not an ordinary thrush anyway) that whispers in the ear of Bard never speaks directly; the Eagles, who are considered a race of people in Middle Earth and feature only peripherally in the Lord of the Rings (not to mention that Gwahir is likely of the Maiar himself if Smaug can speak he certainly can); Smaug (you don't seem to be complaining about him having lines); and the spiders (the spiders of Mirkwood are children of Shelob, and Shelob was a descendant of Ungoliant none of whom were by any means animals, or even mortal creatures) are sapient, likely supernatural beings, Shelob was a silent killer, she was evil, ancient, frightening, I see no great problem in her children being far less powerful, being a bit more chattery. This is middle-earth, not Narnia, it has never and will never be a world of talking animals. However, animals do occasionally talk, and gods certainly take the form of beasts and monsters quite often in Norse mythology which Tolkien drew heavily on. It seems to me that you are not a fan of Lord of the Rings, but from the world that you saw within the four corners of the silver screen when you went to see Peter Jackson's vision (which drew heavily on a world that went far beyond what he was able to present in the limited time and space he had access to).
Posted by:
Jose Carlos
October 5, 2008
Hellboy 2 was a good movie it could've been Great if it had some good action at the end when the golden army shoed up.

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