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Guillermo del Toro on The Hobbit and Frankenstein

Source:Max Evry
October 6, 2008


The filmmaker formally known as Guillermo del Toro, now referred to ubiquitously as Guillermo "I'm making The Motherf****** 'Hobbit'" del Toro, appeared tonight at the Director's Guild of America in midtown Manhattan as part of The New Yorker Festival series of talks. During the conversation with New Yorker staff writer Daniel Zalewski, the director of such modern genre masterpieces as Pan's Labyrinth and the "Hellboy" series talked up some of his future projects, including the aforementioned two-film Tolkien adaptation as well as a new version of Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein."

Currently at the beginning of pre-production on The Hobbit, del Toro discussed his process of gathering ideas, or "feeding his brain," in order to conceptualize his own vision of Middle Earth unique from where Peter Jackson went in his "Lord of the Rings" trilogy…

"I find you have to discipline yourself to write in the morning, and then watch and read in the afternoons stuff that seems relevant, even in a tangential way. For example, reading or watching World War I documentaries or books that I think inform 'The Hobbit,' strangely enough, because I believe it is a book born out of Tolkien's generation's experience with World War I and the disappointment of being in that field and seeing all those values kind of collapse. I think it's a turning point that you need to familiarize yourself with. I'm starting. Peter Jackson is such a fan of that historical moment and obsessive collector of World War I memorabilia, and he owns several genuine, life-size working reproductions of planes, tanks, cannons, ships! He has the perfect obsessive reproductions of uniforms of that time for armies of about 120 soldiers... each. I asked him which books he recommended… because I wouldn't be watching 'Krull' or 'The Dark Crystal,' I need to find my OWN way into the story. That's the same way I did 'Pan's Labyrinth' or 'Devil's Backbone,' by watching stuff you wouldn't think about.

"All my life I've been fascinated by dragons. I was born under the Chinese sign of The Dragon. All my life I'm collecting dragons. It's such a powerful symbol, and in the context of 'The Hobbit' it is used to cast its shadow through the entire narrative. Essentially, Smaug represents so many things: greed, pride… he's 'the Magnificent,' after all. The way his shadow is cast in the narrative you cannot then show it and have it be one thing, he has to be the embodiment of all those things. He's one of the few dragons that will have enormous scenes with lines. He has some of the most beautiful dialogues in those scenes! The design, I'm pretty sure that will be the last design we will sign off on, and the first design we have attempted. It is certainly a matter of turning every stone before figuring out what he looks like, because what he looks like will tell you what he is."

After he completes his work on the two "Hobbit" films in 2012, the prodigiously optimistic del Toro has a whole slew of projects to keep him occupied until 2017, including a new version of Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde, his long-delayed Lovecraft adaptation At the Mountains of Madness, a just-announced trilogy of vampire novels (the first of which he claims is already written), and his own version of Frankenstein.

Del Toro is an acknowledged fan of "Frankenstein." He has busts of Boris Karloff as the monster in his house. One of his biggest filmic influences, the 1973 Spanish film The Spirit of the Beehive, revolves around a showing of the classic Universal Frankenstein. He has raved about Bernie Wrightson's illustrated version and the original Frank Darabont script eventually filmed as Mary Shelley's Frankenstein by Kenneth Branagh in '94 and all-but-disowned by Darabont. Del Toro's version, however, sounds decidedly different…

"I'm not doing 'Mary Shelly's Frankenstein.' I'm doing an adventure story that involves the creature. I cannot say much, but it's not the central creation story, I'm not worried about that. The fact is I've been dreaming of doing a 'Frankenstein' movie since I was a child. The one thing I can promise is, compared to Kenneth Branagh, I will not appear shirtless in the movie!"

When pressed by a fan during the Q & A regarding the Wargs' appearance in The Hobbit, del Toro seemed like a child dying to spill the big secret he has but forcing himself to show restraint, joking that "Warner Brothers has a sniper right here in the theater."

"There will be different sensibilities involved in this movie than there were in the original trilogy. First of all, because we have the travelogues in 'The Hobbit' which goes to places and variations on races that were not addressed in the trilogy. My belief on the 'Wargs' issue is that the classical incarnation of the demonic wolf in Nordic mythology is not a hyena-shaped creature. It is a wolf. The archetype is a wolf, so we're going to go back to the slender, archetypical wolf that is, I think, the inspiration for Tolkien. Listen… if we were having a drink two years from now I would spill the beans, because I'm a pretty easy guy about spilling the beans, but I can't in this instance I can't because it's three years from now... believe me, I am jumping up-and-down inside this fat body!"

COMMENTS (101)

Posted by:
O. B. van Ken O. B.
October 5, 2008
@Beren
"they would be keeping true to PJ's vision of middle-earth seen in the LotR trilogy"
"some subtle changes"
"the middle-earth seen in the Hobbit is a very different place to the one seen almost sixty years later in the LotR trilogy"

Spot the contradiction. ;-) Obvious, isn't it?

They're changing A LOT. No subtle changes, but major changes. Trolls speaking in rhymes, dancing elves, ranting animals, - these are MAJOR changes. It's like turning Middle Earth into the woods near Hogwarts in the Harry Potter movies. You call this subtle?

Again: "The Hobbit" movie and the "bridge-the-gap"-movie could be great. But they'll have a TOTALLY differnt tone compared to Jackson's trilogy. And, thus, a different appeal to a maybe different audience (Potter fans?).

But it's del Toro's movie, so if he thinks that this is the way to go, he should do it. Whether I like it or not - why should he care?
Posted by:
A Tolkien fan
October 5, 2008
Dear Mr. GDT: Please don't overdo it with Smaug. He is only one part of the story.

Above all, remember the story. While the "monsters" are important, the STORY is what's most important. PJ always remembered that, and you must, too. A movie full of cutsey characters and monsters is nothing without the story.

I am excited to see what you and the team come up with. Trust the team at WETA. They are a brilliant bunch.

Best of luck to you.
Posted by:
Cerebral Excess
October 5, 2008
I like Del Toro's style. I'm looking forward to something unique yet not a complete departure from Pete Jackson's trilogy. When it comes to creature's, Del Toro's imagination is very creative, so I think Smaug is sure to be a show-stopper. I just hope the set design and some of the characters isn't too far removed from the trilogy and is faithful to John Howe's and Alan Lee's inspiration.
Posted by:
thedeadmockingbird
October 5, 2008
I think he's a talented filmmaker but his style is much different to Jackson's, I think he should try and reproduce the same mood and look that Jackson did for LOTR for continuity, the whole idea is to make this sweeping epic that groups all the stories. This wont work if it ends up being Hellboy in Middle-Earth. Saying that, his character design is fantastic, Smaug is gonna look amazing!
Posted by:
Cerebral Excess
October 5, 2008
*aren't* too far removed. my bad.
Posted by:
Melnutz from Sector 2814
October 5, 2008
I've been Saying this for afew months now and My Friends Agree. Ron Perlman should be the Voice of Smaug. He's done lots of Voice-Over Work. Plus, if you can Imagine it, Ron's voice is Raspy and Ominous Sounding.

Ron Perlman did say that he'd do anything that Guillermo asks him to be in. If this Crazy Idea comes true, I'm just gonna say....CALLED IT!
Posted by:
RJ
October 5, 2008
I like Del Toro, but some of his stuff is certainly better than the rest. I don't understand why everyone seems to think Hellboy 2 was so genius. I thought the 1st one was a much more enjoyable movie, but it wasn't so unique that it couldn't have been done by anyone else. What I DID like about Hellboy 2 was that it really had a signature look that ONLY Del Toro could have done. Visually it was amazing, so I'll give credit where credit is due there. But I didn't feel like it was very cohesive or even believable within the world he set up. How exactly are all those metal soldiers supposed to get off that Irish island and attack anyone? And there were like what, maybe 15 elves in total and he killed them all? Way to doom your entire race, genius. I also didn't think the humour worked at ALL in that movie, especially with the smoke guy. And the relationship between Liz and Hellboy was dumb in this one. And where the hell was her BLUE fire? Plus Liz was a humourless b-i-t-c-h in that movie and didn't add to it at all. All in all, I loved the look of the main elf and all his scenes and the Angel of Death was amazing, but overall I thought Hellboy 2 was too gimmicky with no enough substance behind the look.

BUT I also agree with people that if he finds these unique creative outlets whereby he can indulge his particular fantasy bent, such as Frankenstein and Lovecraft, then he'll do good/great work. It will be unique and something only he could do. I also think he'd be the ONLY guy to take on Dr. Strange. Del Toro or bust on that one. Anyone else would just make it too cheesy or stupid looking. But Del Toro understands darkness, he understands fantasy, he has a VERY Lovecraftian look to things and would be amazing to bring Dormammu or anything else from the weird world of Dr. Strange to life.

My big worries about the Hobbit at this point is the fact they're writing up their own stuff for the 2nd movie to tie everything in with LOTR. Dumb move, in my opinion. Horrible move. Stick to the book and make a single movie that's over 3 hours if you have to. But reinventing the Tolkien universe yet again raises my hackles like you wouldn't believe. I think overall Peter Jackson did an amazing job bringing a VERY weighty tome to life, but it was too bloated. The end scene in Return of the King took almost an hour, for crying out loud, and they didn't even use the ending from the book. Retarded. Arwen should have been a minor character, hardly seen if even at all. Little things like that really bugged me. Call me a purist, I suppose. One that is impossible to please unless I'm seeing a straight translation, not someone's intrepretation with extreme creative license.
Posted by:
Isaac T.
October 5, 2008
If Saruman and Gandolf are to be played by the same actors that were in Lord of the rings, They best film this lickety split. Otherwise, they'll need to get the Weta workshop to make some crafty Middle Earth styled walkers for them to be filmed with!
Serously though! I can't wait! Jackson won't let Del Toro mess up his handywork that he did on The LOTR trilogy! Del Toro is Jackson's BICH! Yes I spelled a swear word wrong, but now it won't be censored... or will it?
Posted by:
RJ
October 5, 2008
They should get Sean Connery to voice Smaug. He has more nobility and superiority in his voice than Perlman, I think. Perlman is amazing, but he's more gruff and tough than aloof and grand.
Posted by:
Dr. Seuss
October 5, 2008
Melnutz from sector 2814, you are a Frickle Fratz! I have never seen a Frickle Fratz, But if I ever did see, a Frickle Fratz would be you, my friend, for a Frickle Fratz is thee! Why do you ask? I do declare! Stare then, at the screen I say! You cannot claim that you called it as you say that you did. On page one of this message post, someone else said the same thing about Ron Perlman being Smaug! So you se my friend, you did not call it first you fool, and now that you've been schooled, I have delared you to be a Frickle Fratz, so even though you think you are, you are not so cool. If Mr. T were standing here, he would pity you, the fool, but now at last I say farewell, for I must drop the Cosby Kids off at the swirly, whirly pool!

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