Shelob *Spoilers* [Archive] - The Coming Soon! Boards

JBond

02-25-2002, 09:19 AM

"Shelob WILL NOT BE in The Two Towers. Apparently, they've expanded the Frodo-Sam-Gollum-Faramir stuff quite a bit, and as such Shelob has been kicked to the beginning of ROTK"

Dar Horizons

Well that stinks, I was really looking forward to that. Guess we'll have to wait a bit longer...

TyRoss

02-25-2002, 09:23 AM

You know I don't know why they would do that since Frodo being captured by the orcs is such a great cliffhanger. Maybe it's just a rumor.

Iben

02-25-2002, 09:30 AM

I hope it's only a rumor, the ending of Two Towers was the part that got to me the most when I read the books, and I'm really looking foreward to seeing it on the big screen. Though I'll probably start crying during the whole Sam thinking Frodo is dead scene I did when I read the books.

JBond

02-25-2002, 09:33 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Iben:
I hope it's only a rumor, the ending of Two Towers was the part that got to me the most when I read the books, and I'm really looking foreward to seeing it on the big screen.<hr /></blockquote>Same here!

TyRoss

02-25-2002, 11:08 AM

You cried too Bond???

tyler_durden

02-25-2002, 12:11 PM

I would think that Jackson would see this opportunity and take it. It would make the most sense. That is the perfect cliffhanger ending, which would really make a lot of people want to watch the last one.

JBond

02-25-2002, 12:41 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by TyRoss:
You cried too Bond???<hr /></blockquote>I never said I cried, but it was an emotional part of the series.

Iben

02-25-2002, 12:51 PM

I know I might be a big sob, but I found several places in all three books which made me cry, and I'm not ashamed to say it....you shouldn't either JBond :p :D

JBond

02-25-2002, 01:01 PM

I knew as soon as I made that previous post that someone would say "Hey Bond, it's not bad to cry!"

I never said crying was BAD, I just didn't cry during the book. Although I HAVE cried during some movies and books before!

Iben

02-25-2002, 01:09 PM

Now I’m curious to know which movies/books that made JBond cry it’s very rare that guys cry during movies, I’ve only seen my dad cry one time and that was when we saw “Saving private Ryan”.
Personally I’ve never cried as much to anything as I did when I read Lord Of the Rings.

Knerys

02-25-2002, 01:24 PM

What!?! No, no, no! When I was reading the trilogy, I finished The Two Towers at 2 in the morning, and said alloud "Oh my GOD!", ran downstairs, grabbed The Return of the King, and read until the sun came up. They have use it! It's the perfet cliffhanger. Plus I want to see Shelob!

Iben

02-25-2002, 01:27 PM

Exactly!

Knerys

02-25-2002, 01:31 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Iben:

Personally I’ve never cried as much to anything as I did when I read Lord Of the Rings.<hr /></blockquote>I almost was moved to tear when I was reading the end of The Return of the King. I've never cried while reading a book, but I came pretty close while reading this one.

Iben

02-25-2002, 01:34 PM

Yeah the ending and the Shelob thing were probably the two places that touched me the most, but there were also a lot of other scenes that got to me. I don't know why, there was just something all through these books that made me really sad, but in a good way...I can't really explain it.

[ 02-25-2002, 02:35 PM: Message edited by: Iben ]

Knerys

02-25-2002, 01:46 PM

I know exactly what you mean! It's such a good story, and you really fall in love with these character, so their drama and strife really gets to you. I was reading the appendices at the end of The Return of the King, and I felt the same way when I was reading about Arwen and Aragorn, and what happens to the fellowship afterwards.

Rizor

02-26-2002, 02:30 PM

The Shelob stuff didn't get me all teary eyed. For me, it was just the ending and the stuff about Arwen and Aragorn.

But I do want it at the end of the Two Towers. It was always the perfect ending to me. The one that they had to use. I was just thinking about it last week. They can change around the end to FOTR all they want, but this one's perfect.

[ 02-26-2002, 03:31 PM: Message edited by: Rizor ]

Iben

02-26-2002, 03:13 PM

I agree it's simply too perfect to mess with. I can hardly think of a better cliff-hanger.

Knerys

02-26-2002, 10:06 PM

It is THE cliffhanger!

tyler_durden

02-26-2002, 10:48 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Knerys:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Iben:

Personally I’ve never cried as much to anything as I did when I read Lord Of the Rings.<hr /></blockquote>I almost was moved to tear when I was reading the end of The Return of the King. I've never cried while reading a book, but I came pretty close while reading this one.<hr /></blockquote>I have only cried once when I was reading a book. I don't remember what book it was, I just remember that someone died, or their dog died or something and I cried. I read the book again a couple of months later, and I didn't even come close to crying. But that is the only time I have actually cried while reading a book.

JBond

02-26-2002, 10:52 PM

I cried when I read "Rama Revealed", the last book of the Rama series by Arthur C. Clarke.

Knerys

02-26-2002, 10:56 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JBond:
I cried when I read "Rama Revealed", the last book of the Rama series by Arthur C. Clarke.<hr /></blockquote>I have to read those books! They have been sitting on my shelf all year.

Xenofax

03-01-2002, 08:47 PM

Where else could Peter Jackson possibly end The Two Towers? In the rest of the Frodo, Sam, and Gollum section of the book, and eventually movie, the hatred between Sam and Gollum, and Gollum's consuming desire for the ring builds up to Shelob's Lair. I think it would be a bad decision to leave the uneducated movie audience with a seemingly pacified Gollum. It's a twist you shouldn't start a movie with, which is why Boromir died in the first movie, but the second book.

Olorin

03-02-2002, 02:58 PM

As far as I am concerned, I agree with Xenofax, that it is bad to start a movie off with a big shocker. Gollum suddenly turning out to be evil would be a bit of a rocky step to jump from. However, opening the Return of the King with Shelob would be very beneficial to the movie, as it is a great bang to start the movie with. Most movies open with a nice little attention grabbing action scene, or clever intro that really siezes you. Shelob would be ideal for that position. It is debatable however, as to whether the Gollum suprise would negate that benefit or not.

However, there is always the chance that Peter Jackson could have Gollum betray them a little early, and Frodo and Sam just continue on the same path, as they do not know any other ways to go.

tyler_durden

03-02-2002, 11:07 PM

The other posibility is that they will hint at Gollum being evil and that he will betray Sam and Frodo. Then come the third movie, it isn't that much of a shock.

It really wasn't that much of a suprise to me when I was reading the books, though, either. I was really just waiting for Gollum to betray Sam and Frodo. Personally, I believe that it would be a great way to start the third movie.

Knerys

03-02-2002, 11:52 PM

I guess that would work, but I loved the way it was set up in the book. The ending is cinematic gold. If it wasn't 2 am in the morning when I read it I would have screamed aloud. Instead I dropped my jaw to the floor and start reading ROTK right away. It's perfect, I don't understand why Jackson would want to change it. I agree with you on Gollum. I was waiting for the moment when he was going to betray them, and was a little surprised it didn't come sooner. Jackson did an amazing job with FOTR and I will trust his judgement, but this just doesn't make sense.

PsYkOoOoO

03-03-2002, 12:35 AM

HOpefully it's just a rumor...i was sooo shocked <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> when i saw the topic...anyone here who had read the book should know that the part abt same frodo and faramir is sort of...boring...although it's important yes but...i really wanna watch the fight between sam and shelob....(was it sam by the way?)

Rizor

03-03-2002, 01:31 PM

I'm sorry to say it's not a rumor. Peter Jackson flat out said it at a well documented event at a Barnes & Noble store in New York City.

Here are the accounts of several spectators:
<a href="http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/1014492572" target="_blank">http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/1014492572</a>

And it was indeed Sam who squared off agaist Shelob.

[ 03-03-2002, 02:33 PM: Message edited by: Rizor ]

PsYkOoOoO

03-05-2002, 02:35 AM

i hate to say this but...WHAT THE HELL IS THE MATTER WITH PETER?!????????? :mad: :mad: :mad: ARGH!!!!so is shelob TOTALLY out or will it/she still be featured in the film??will frodo 'die' in the end of TT???

tyler_durden

03-05-2002, 09:14 AM

I believe that Shelob is going to come in at the begining of Return of the King.
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There is also a rumor that the scouring of the Shire is going to be left out, which would make sense with all of the other changes. But when you think about it, it would make more sense for a movie to actually end with the defeating of the big enemy. I still think that the movies will be great.

Cartagia

03-11-2002, 12:41 PM

I have a strong belief that Shelob will be at the End of TTT, it just wouldn't work quite right to have that happen at the very beginning of the last movie. it would ruin the suspense (to those who haven't read the book), and as said before. it's no good to open the movie (RotK0) with a major shock.

PsYkOoOoO

03-12-2002, 12:27 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Cartagia:
I have a strong belief that Shelob will be at the End of TTT, it just wouldn't work quite right to have that happen at the very beginning of the last movie. it would ruin the suspense (to those who haven't read the book), and as said before. it's no good to open the movie (RotK0) with a major shock.<hr /></blockquote>hey~~very true! :)

PsYkOoOoO

03-15-2002, 07:30 PM

it is confirmed that shelob will be featured in the first part of ROTK...(according to commingsoon....)gosh~~~this is quite a bad news manz...but this is better then NO shelob...but isn't it kinda weird?that frodo dies in the beginning of ROTK and returns again in the same movie???weird...

Smeagol

09-21-2003, 10:22 AM

I wonder how PJ will cut back and forth between Frodo being chased by Shelob and the little battle between Sam and Gollum? This could be quite tricksy for the editing team.

I think Frodo should be chased around a corner (out of camera view) and Sam is about to follow but then is grabbed from behind by Gollum. We stay with this little fight until Sam hits Gollum over the back with his saucepan (Faramir's staff in the book), then Sam runs round the corner to see Shelob cowering over Frodo's entangled body lying on the ground.

Any alternate suggestions?

cg124

09-21-2003, 10:35 AM

You just had to bring this thread back form the dead

D-fence

09-21-2003, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by cg124
You just had to bring this thread back form the dead

Yeah, and the question is: WHY??

Smeagol

09-21-2003, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by D-fence
Yeah, and the question is: WHY??

Why not?

Screwu2

09-21-2003, 02:07 PM

Well at least he didnmt spam up the board witha new topic.

adt100

09-21-2003, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Screwu2
Well at least he didnmt spam up the board witha new topic.

Which is a good thing people! :)

Riddle

09-21-2003, 02:47 PM

I think it would have been forgivable, if he started a new Shelob thread. Considering this one is 7 months old......

Smeagol

09-21-2003, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by Riddle
I think it would have been forgivable, if he started a new Shelob thread. Considering this one is 7 months old......

I think you mean 19 months. ;) Anyhow, I wanted to ask a question about the kind of editing in Shelob's Lair, and consequently I searched the forum for a Shelob topic - and this was the only result!

I know how irritated some people get when new topics are started... :D

adt100

09-21-2003, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by Riddle
I think it would have been forgivable, if he started a new Shelob thread.

NO!!! It vud have been totally unacceptable. Such laziness iz NOT to be tolerated in this forums!!! ;)