Why Do you think New Line Decided no kane Hodder

[segaboy7]

My thinking towords why they decided to go for a new Jason is, If any of you have watched the Jason X DVD you know that in the Extras that when they talk to Kane he says how that he knows the kinda stuff Jason Would or wouldn't do. They even go on to say that they had to change some of Jason X because Kane said Jason wouldn't do that. So that Brings us to Jason Vs Freddy. In interviews with new line said they wanted someone who could protray emotion in Jason, as if he had lost a loved one. This brings me to my point, JASON IS EMOTIONLESS, and I am sure Kane would have refused to make Jason have emotions

[Oxide]

Thats actually a good point. Jason did kill with any emotion, particularly after all his relatives are dead, but even then anyone who got in his way, hack and slash.

[Tyrant]

Me doesn't like the sound of a gay Jason.:evil:

[Madness]

Actually, they also said they didn't want Robert Elgund to be miniturized by Hodder, considering Kane is massive, and Robert a scrawny piece of nothing. It would look kinda funny seeing them standing next to eachother, ready to battle and Jason is triple the size of Freddy.

Still, from what I understand none of this is final, so Hodder may yet play Jason..........

[Instinct]

The new guy they got is pretty big also, maybe even more so than Hodder...

[jsheer6]

I don't know about that. He looks pretty damned pissed in most of Hodder's performances. Certainly in Pt. VII he's not just methodically going through the motions. The chilling close-up early in JASON X reveals all sorts of hatred in Jason's one good eye. As for him being a sympathetic character, to some extent he was in the beginning. He was just some poor, "challenged" kid who wandered off and drowned, only to be revived and spend the rest of his childhood hiding from his mother for fear he was in trouble. Then he watched the only person who ever cared for him beheaded, for his sake.

Don't get me wrong... I don't want to see Jason crying and telling jokes and visiting a therapist. But without any emotion at all, the FRIDAY THE 13TH mythos are fairly hollow and meaningless. Also, let's not confuse the issue. Jason can be a somewhat sympathetic character without having any sympathy, remorse or concern for his victims. No matter what angle New Line is going for in FVJ, we're still going to see Jason gorily ridding the world of mindless teenagers.

Much as I love Kane Hodder, I'm not disappointed to hear that New Line is moving on. Lots of guys have played Jason, and I've enjoyed them all. It's kind of like when Toho sticks a new guy in the Godzilla suit. On screen, it's still Godzilla.

[killercowboy]

jason is kinda emotionless... i mean no one in their right mind goes around killing other people for the heck of it. freddy kills for revenge on the elm street parents, jason kills for tresspassing basically. but jason doesn't kill children for he feels sorry for them. i think michael is the least emotional. but the strange thing is, micheal was the only one alive in the films.

[G-Matrix]

how about no wanted money for Kane hodder he probably didn't get the check with the 6 zeros on it

[sniktawt]

Wow this thread is an oldi.lol.

[killercowboy]

not really...last year lol

[Varian]

i liked kane hodder playing jason but this new guy might be just as good

[sniktawt]

Early on rumors were circulating that the reason New Line ditched Hodder was they wanted a more sympathetic actor for the role kinda like in Phantom of The Opera.That turned out to be bunk , they just basically wanted to start fresh.This new guy is huge though, but from reading what people said who seen the test screenings they say he's just ok.There is not much sympathy displayed by him though.
He does have a huge size advantage over Englund.

Plus Hodder needed lifts and he's still not the size of the guy who's got the role now.

[killercowboy]

here's what robert englund said:


It was never meant as an insult to Kane except for the reality that Kane is not in it, which you can perceive, as an insult because Kane was certainly responsible for the popularity of Jason in the last 10 years. Director Ronny Yu, who has lots of strong stuff out there, I mean we loved "Bride of Chucky"...well, Ronny had this image of Jason. Now I'm not sure if it derived from a Friday the 13th movie as much as from an illustration, a comic book what-not, but he always presumed that Jason was gigantically big and because it's "Freddy Vs Jason", he always thought that in this comic book style that he was going to exploit, Jason would be larger than life, almost basketball player-like. He's just absolutely huge in this movie!


(kane is 6'3" and ken is 6'5")

[sniktawt]

Those extra 2 inches make a difference.I seen Pics of Hodder next to Englund, It's nothing compared to The new guy standing next to Englund.The guy is massive.

[as-it-is!]

Hmmm!

I still think Mr Hodder may have asked for too much money!

Bye Bye Kane!

[EnderDeschain]

I was thoroughly, thoroughly disappointed when I heard Hodder wasn't going to be in this. It's not a matter of size, or sympathetic range, or whatever, it's a matter of the way the man moves. He has certain idiosyncratic traits that just can't be duplicated. The man defined the way Jason moves, acts, looks, all of it, from The New Blood on, and for a lot of us that is Jason. The pre-Jason Lives Jason and the post-Jason Lives Jason are almost like separate entities, in my mind, as part 6 and after are when he truly became a monster, nothing close to human. Hodder (even though he wasn't Jason in part 6) defines the monster. It seems kind of like a betrayal to the real fans who have stuck with Jason and really wanted to see Kane in the part. And another thing about this Kirzinger guy, he might be bigger over-all, but has anyone else noticed how narrow his shoulders are? They kind of sag. It just doesn't look right. Now the Jason in Jason X (before he was "transformed", of course), he was, to me, the ultimate and definitive Jason. That was the best look he's ever had, it really got the point of the character across brilliantly as a visual. That's what they should have gone with in FVJ, I think.

[sniktawt]

After Seeing Ken Kirzinger as Jason, Kane Hodder is a memory to most by now.

[EnderDeschain]

Nonsense! Having seen the movie, my reaction is almost opposite, Snikt. It just makes me wonder even more why they went with Kirzinger. There was absolutely nothing he did in that performance that Hodder couldn't have done, and having Kane play him would have made it a little easier for people like me to swallow the whole "poor-retarded-Jason" crap they kind of tried to sneak in there. Having them show a little more of Jason's "human" side would have been fine if he was visually the same as before, but no, they tried to change everything all at once. Hodder would have made the film better, in my opinion. There was absolutely no reason what-so-ever for the man who is Jason to not be involved in this flick. I liked the movie anyway, liked it immensely, but I would have liked it even more with the real Jason actor behind the mask.

[sniktawt]

Nah, He's just a glorified stuntman that kinda thinks he really is the character he played.I think Playing Jason went to Kane Hodder's head and they just laid a reality check on him, Anyone can play this Character.It was proven.

[EnderDeschain]

Sure anyone can play it, but not anyone can play it perfectly. Kirzinger's too thin. Hodder should have been in this.

Damn it, I'm going into argument mode, where I'm just gonna start disagreeing without being able to explain myself. Okay, alright, Kirzinger was good in the role, and maybe Kane isn't really all that important to the series, but I still would have rather seen him do it. The Freddy people (of which I was never even close to being one) got the same old guy that they knew and love, while those of us who were more Jason fans had to deal with them jacking with our character a lot. It just would have seemed more fair to the fans of the Friday series to go with Hodder.

[KINGKURT553]

EnderDeschain, you make a good point. Having the original Jason would of been better, but when the movie started I was so into it, I didn't even pay attention to that.

Your right, Kirzinger shape is different then Hodders, but I didn't notice that during the movie. I noticed it in the pictures. The third picture on the first row from the left side on the official Freddy Vs. Jason website (www.freddyvsjason.com) is a perfect example. His shoulders do appear different then Hodder's, but that's just a detail only long time fans would realize.

So in conclusion, the movie ruled. :D

-Aren~

[sniktawt]

Originally posted by EnderDeschain
Sure anyone can play it, but not anyone can play it perfectly. Kirzinger's too thin. Hodder should have been in this.

Damn it, I'm going into argument mode, where I'm just gonna start disagreeing without being able to explain myself. Okay, alright, Kirzinger was good in the role, and maybe Kane isn't really all that important to the series, but I still would have rather seen him do it. The Freddy people (of which I was never even close to being one) got the same old guy that they knew and love, while those of us who were more Jason fans had to deal with them jacking with our character a lot. It just would have seemed more fair to the fans of the Friday series to go with Hodder.

It's ok, Ender.I agree with you I don't want us argueing.The last thing these boards need is more useless arguments.

What I meant was what Kingkurt said. During the movie it hardly seems noticeable because it's so fast paced and what not.Kane does bring way more emotion to the role that's for sure.I am a Kane Hodder fan , a huge fan actually.But I guess it's time to move on.It kinda sucks for die hards like myself and you guys but I guess since he don't talk producers could care less who's behind the mask. ;)

[Brenzi51]

jason is emotionless.....untill it comes to his mother.....she is what he reacts to

[Shock]

I dunno why they used Ken Kirzinger rather than Kane Hodder. I read that Kane was really Dedicated to the role of Jason and that he even had KILL! tatooed to his inside of his lip. I wouldnt wanna mess with him. but Kirzinger worked on Wishmaster with Robert Englund. (He's usually a stuntman)