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jorich
06-03-2005, 12:26 AM
When Darth Vader strikes down Obi-Wan, do you think Vader has actually killed him, or has Obi-Wan "hit the eject button", so to speak, and voluntarily merged into the netherworld of the force? Seems to make more and more sense to me that Obi-Wan learned how to become one with the force during his years in hiding on Tatooine. Either that, or GL couldn't show a body get cut in half out of fear of losing a PG rating???
neo5595
06-03-2005, 12:51 AM
I would think it was both really. Obi-Wan pretty much died, but by doing so, he became one with the force.
FVD
06-03-2005, 02:39 AM
Yoda would have done the same when he died. You all saw how he disappeared right? Pretty much like Obi Wan.
Moridin
06-03-2005, 07:51 AM
Obi-Wan disappears a second before Vader's blade strikes him. He chooses to depart and become one with the Force, rather than have Vader feel like he has won completely.
kungfuhobbit
06-03-2005, 08:01 AM
I always thought the heat from Vader's saber evaporated him? ;)
Frizzo the Clown
06-03-2005, 08:30 AM
I always thought he disappeared just so he wouldn't have to repay the five bucks that Anakin lent him waaaay back in the Clone Wars. In fact, there was a line that was cut out, just as Vader struck him down. Obi-Wan said, "Lets see you get your money now, *****!" ;)
woodywoodpecker
06-03-2005, 08:39 AM
has anyone seen the doc. that came with the OT Trilogy dvd set? Empire of Dreams. they show clips of some of the original (pre-special edition) and it does actually show a body getting cut in half. But in the actual movie it shows him disappearing. Anyone else notice this?
Mr. Frodo
06-03-2005, 09:31 AM
i always liked vader's reaction, he steps on obi's robes and is like WTF???? :confused: lol
Frizzo the Clown
06-03-2005, 09:37 AM
i always liked vader's reaction, he steps on obi's robes and is like WTF???? :confused: lol
He was trying to find Obi's wallet, to get the money he owed him. ;)
todd philip
06-03-2005, 05:02 PM
i always liked vader's reaction, he steps on obi's robes and is like WTF???? :confused: lol
I've heard some people say that he was looking for his lightsaber.
GlitterzGurl
06-03-2005, 05:30 PM
i always liked vader's reaction, he steps on obi's robes and is like WTF???? :confused: lol
i've always wondered why he did that...I mean shouldn't he KNOW that Jedi's evaporate into thin air?

But I like todd philip's theory...now I have a logical reason when I see the movie in the future
JBond
06-03-2005, 06:05 PM
In fact, there was a line that was cut out, just as Vader struck him down. Obi-Wan said, "Lets see you get your money now, *****!" ;)

:D

You have to wonder how Obi-Wan practiced for that moment...you can only do it once.
Sparta*
06-03-2005, 07:20 PM
i've always wondered why he did that...I mean shouldn't he KNOW that Jedi's evaporate into thin air?

But I like todd philip's theory...now I have a logical reason when I see the movie in the future


What do you mean "shouldn't he know that Jedis evaporate into thin air" Name one Jedi in the PT that evaporated? none of them. Qui gon taught Yoda and Obi-wan how to do it, and they are the only 2 surviving Jedi, so when Obi-wan sacrificed himself to the force, Vader was surprised because he'd never seen that before. I'm sure he was also kinda worried based on the "if you strike me down I will become more powerful then you could imagine" line that Obiwan delivered before he died. I would be worried too, if someone threatened me like that, and then just dissapeared into thin air which has never been done before.
Ewok Droppings
06-03-2005, 08:41 PM
I think when Vader cuts him down and he stands there and looks at the pile of clothes like "WTF???" - that says a lot.

Either he:
A) thought "damn, now when Obi-wan visits me as a spirit, he's going to be naked because he left his clothes behind; or
B) He was admiring the Armani throwback design of his robes.

Personally, I think Vader just gets a little tired of wearing the same thing all the time. Think about this - how stinky must his mask be? I mean, it's not like he can readily brush his teeth anytime he wants, and he doesn't have another helmet when that one reeks like total s**t.
GlitterzGurl
06-04-2005, 03:11 AM
What do you mean "shouldn't he know that Jedis evaporate into thin air" Name one Jedi in the OT that evaporated? none of them. Qui gon taught Yoda and Obi-wan how to do it, and they are the only 2 surviving Jedi, so when Obi-wan sacrificed himself to the force, Vader was surprised because he'd never seen that before. I'm sure he was also kinda worried based on the "if you strike me down I will become more powerful then you could imagine" line that Obiwan delivered before he died. I would be worried too, if someone threatened me like that, and then just dissapeared into thin air which has never been done before.

Sorry, I didn't put two and two together.
I assumed when a Jedi is taught everything about the force...he knows EVERYTHING...not a few details passed here and there amongst 2-3 Jedi's.

Guess I better watch those movies a bit closer.
Dirk Calloway
06-04-2005, 03:34 AM
What do you mean "shouldn't he know that Jedis evaporate into thin air" Name one Jedi in the OT that evaporated? none of them. Qui gon taught Yoda and Obi-wan how to do it, and they are the only 2 surviving Jedi, so when Obi-wan sacrificed himself to the force, Vader was surprised because he'd never seen that before. I'm sure he was also kinda worried based on the "if you strike me down I will become more powerful then you could imagine" line that Obiwan delivered before he died. I would be worried too, if someone threatened me like that, and then just dissapeared into thin air which has never been done before.

Then why doesn't Qui Gon evaporate when he dies? He is cremated on a funeral pyre.
vader519
06-04-2005, 11:31 AM
Because he was killed by Darth Maul .You can't just get hit witha lightsaber and dissapear and become one with the force. It takes years to learn this skill. Did you not watch ROTS. Yoda tells Obi-wan that he has training for him while he watches over Luke, and tells him that Qui-Gon has learned how to become one witht he force, and tells Obi-wan he will teach him how to talk to Qui-Gon and learn how to become one with the force.
Mr. Frodo
06-04-2005, 02:44 PM
how did qui gon learn if he was dead?
PsychoMike
06-04-2005, 04:26 PM
a) Plot hole... SW is full of them

b) He knew before he died... and kept his "spirit" together after he died. At that point he was able to learn more like how to talk to living people. It probobly took him several years to learn to comunicate with the living. After that he was able to talk with Yoda and Obi-wan. Each of them surpassed Qui-gon in their abilities and were able to merge with the force before physical death.
precious_force
06-05-2005, 01:44 AM
In terms of Obi and Vader, in the video game, there's a bonus level in which you run around as Vader and you get to beat ole Ben's butt. The thing is, he's as hard to beat as a 70 year old as he is when you battle him as a 30-is year old in RotS... :confused:
Dirk Calloway
06-05-2005, 01:57 AM
Because he was killed by Darth Maul .You can't just get hit witha lightsaber and dissapear and become one with the force. It takes years to learn this skill. Did you not watch ROTS. Yoda tells Obi-wan that he has training for him while he watches over Luke, and tells him that Qui-Gon has learned how to become one witht he force, and tells Obi-wan he will teach him how to talk to Qui-Gon and learn how to become one with the force.

I saw ROTS. But if he did get hit with a lightsaber and died then how did he become one with the force?