View Full Version : No Best Pic for "Passion" or "9/11"
Bigee04
11-09-2004, 01:33 PM
I saw a report today that niether "The Passion of the Christ" or "Fahrenheit 9/11" will be eligible for Best Picture at the Golden Globe Awards this Jan. "9/11" because it is a documentary and "Passion" because it's not in English. Because there is no Best Doc. category "9/11" will be up for no awards at the Globes. "Passion" can still be nominated in the "Best Foreign Language Film" category. While this certainly does not put this movies out of the running for a Oscar nom., it certainly hurts them. Winning a Best Pic Globe is almost always a free ticket to a Oscar nom, and now two other other movies will snag up those spots these two movies could have gotten. Now they will be fighting for the three remaining spots. Here is a link to the article. (http://channels.aimtoday.com/celebrity/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0002/20041108/2318192403.htm&photoid=20041019LAX206D)
cerealkiller182
11-09-2004, 02:24 PM
Thats a bad reason for the Passion not to be up for one. When i think best foreign language film i think foreign film, not an American movies filmed in a different language. I think the name of that category should be changed.
adt100
11-09-2004, 02:52 PM
I don't think you should start thinking about changing the eligibilty rules etc just for 1 film.
I don't recall when the award was changed from Best 'Foreign' Film, to Best 'Film in a Foreign Language' (I'm pretty sure it was originally known as the former), but it actually makes sense when you think about it.
Since when should the Oscars just be about American films? Although Hollywood of course dominates, this never has nor should be the case. If you call the award simple 'Best Foreign Film', then that immediately makes the 'Best Picture' catergory only eligible for American films. What about English, Australian, Canadian etc films, or any other that is made in the English language.
southern
11-09-2004, 07:14 PM
i wouldn't worry about it too much cause the GG are crap
Neither of these films deserves best picture anyway, so who cares? It makes way for better movies.
I wish Moore would been satisfied with just the best Documentary in the Oscars and hope he doesn't get nominated for best picture. Bowling for Columbine deserved a best picture nod more than 9/11.
Neither of these films deserves best picture anyway, so who cares? It makes way for better movies.
I wish Moore would been satisfied with just the best Documentary in the Oscars and hope he doesn't get nominated for best picture. Bowling for Columbine deserved a best picture nod more than 9/11.
Word. The Academy has better films to worry about.
Bigee04
11-09-2004, 09:22 PM
i wouldn't worry about it too much cause the GG are crap
For at least the past three years, and probably more, the winner of the GG Best Picture (either drama or comedy/musical) has gone on to win the Oscar Best Picture, so winning the GG can mean a lot to a films chances at the big one.
southern
11-09-2004, 09:28 PM
they suck ass
The Golden Globes dont allow films in a foreign language to be up for nomination? That's ridiculous. The Oscars allow foreign and foreign language nominations, why did the Golden Globes decided to be so ethnocentric? How can something be determined the best picture of a year if there was a better movie out there that just happened to be in a different language?
Glordreen
11-09-2004, 09:36 PM
For some reason I think The Passion is still eligible for BP at the Globes. I may be worng.
PsychoMike
11-09-2004, 10:24 PM
Well this year the Oscar Nominations are due the day before the Globes. So the Winner of the Globes will have no baring on who is nominated.
Personally, I don't see what the big deal is. If the rules are that a Foregin Language film cannot be nominated for best picture than so be it. I don't think that they should change the rules for just one film.
Drizzt240
11-09-2004, 10:26 PM
I heard Moore denounced his right to when an Oscar when he signed his film up for the Pay Per View Event.
PsychoMike
11-09-2004, 10:28 PM
^^ I think that was only for the documentry (which he didn't want anyway) award and not the best picture.
Moore wouldn't dare denounce a chance for an Oscar. The man is a publicity whore, but everyone loves him. ;)
Inferno
11-09-2004, 11:16 PM
My answer to this is: Who cares about the Goldern Globes? It's like "Everyone gets an award night" for movies and TV.
Bigee04
11-09-2004, 11:28 PM
My answer to that is: People who care about the Oscars, movie fans in general. The last time a film won the Oscar and not the Golden Globe was 1995's Braveheart, so the GG's has been a very accurate barometor for nearly ten years. For these two films not able to be nominated is quite a hurdle for them to overcome if when they try to go for the Oscar.
vision_afar
11-10-2004, 01:33 AM
Neither of these films deserves best picture anyway, so who cares? It makes way for better movies.
I wish Moore would been satisfied with just the best Documentary in the Oscars and hope he doesn't get nominated for best picture. Bowling for Columbine deserved a best picture nod more than 9/11.
Agreed. I personally enjoyed both movies but I don't think either should win Best Picture, be it Golden Globe or Oscar.
vision_afar
11-10-2004, 01:35 AM
^^ I think that was only for the documentry (which he didn't want anyway) award and not the best picture.
Exactly. 9/11 can still be nominated for Best Picture.
Faithless Eye
11-10-2004, 05:34 AM
Uh, haven't foreign-language films been nominated for Best Picture before? Crouching Tiger was...and Life Is Beautiful, if i"m not much mistaken (probably am, but meh)
cg124
11-10-2004, 06:19 AM
Uh, haven't foreign-language films been nominated for Best Picture before? Crouching Tiger was...and Life Is Beautiful, if i"m not much mistaken (probably am, but meh)
I think they were nominated for best foreign film
Glordreen
11-10-2004, 06:32 PM
For some reason I think The Passion is still eligible for BP at the Globes. I may be worng.
I was wrong.
Se7en the movie
11-10-2004, 07:43 PM
Who cares? Passion doesn't deserve anything....
Lambsilencer
11-10-2004, 07:45 PM
Uh, haven't foreign-language films been nominated for Best Picture before? Crouching Tiger was...and Life Is Beautiful, if i"m not much mistaken (probably am, but meh)
The Best Picture is not reserved for english-language films. Crounging Tiger was nomintade for BP, as was Life is Beautiful.
Greets
Lambsilencer
Dracula
11-10-2004, 08:34 PM
Uh, haven't foreign-language films been nominated for Best Picture before? Crouching Tiger was...and Life Is Beautiful, if i"m not much mistaken (probably am, but meh)
those were oscars, not golden globes
first I'dlike to say: "**** the golden Globes" the golden globes are a joke, they used to be just a total joke until they bribed enough celeberitys to show up so they could get T.V. support.
Second I don't think either of these movies should be nominated for BP. "9-11" shouldn't be nominated because trying to compare a documentary to a fiction movie is ****ing retarted. Do they go around compareing fiction and non-fiction books? Hell no. An don't get me started on The Passion. I havn't seen it and don't plan to unless it's nominated for an oscar ( I see all oscar Nominees no mater what) and I REALLY don't want to.
Boiiinng
11-11-2004, 01:24 AM
Best Picture doesn't have to be fiction.
Indy4
11-11-2004, 12:43 PM
LOL Hillarious
He should be under Best Crap and Best Propeganda.
Michael Moore you suck a****.
Every political person that he interviews just give him the silent treatment.
faerie822
11-11-2004, 07:05 PM
I will be very shocked if F9/11 doesn't win for Best Picture at the Oscars. After all, he is Hollywood's darling.
Of course, IMO, MM is nothing but a liar and a master manipulator. He is a vile creature who really should go slither back under the rock he crawled out from.
beyond_th3
11-12-2004, 07:44 AM
this year may be the most predictable awards season because there really wasn't that many oscar-worthy films, just alot of popcorn trash. I would be happy if Garden State and Eternal Sunshine get nods for best screenplay atleast.
Frizzo the Clown
11-12-2004, 08:42 AM
You know what guys? The election is over. Get over it. You won.
Bigee04
11-12-2004, 10:23 AM
Michael Moore certainly hasn't gotten over it. That's right, we can expect F9/11 1/2 in two-three years.
You know what... everyone should get over the election including Moore. He should stop trying to aim for the head and go for the ankles... at the corporations and social hypocracy. That's where he's most successful. It'd be pointless to make another F9/11 movie and hopefully he comes around to seeing that.
I will be very shocked if F9/11 doesn't win for Best Picture at the Oscars. After all, he is Hollywood's darling.
Trust me. It won't even get nominated.
Rizor
11-13-2004, 01:45 PM
I saw The Passion for the first time last week and I've gotta admit, both films are okay in my book. Not worthy of Best Pic though, IMHO.
Xander
11-13-2004, 08:44 PM
You know what guys? The election is over. Get over it. You won.
So true.
I hope neither get nominated for Best Picture, both are propaganda, but 9/11 is the good kind.
Greyhame
11-17-2004, 07:52 PM
The Best Doc nods are out and 9/11 isnt on there, I dont think it will get a best pic nod but this hasnt been a good year so far for movies.
The foreign film thing isnt true, there have been quite a few films that have been in a foreign language for best picture.
PsychoMike
11-17-2004, 09:15 PM
The Best Doc nods are out and 9/11 isnt on there, I dont think it will get a best pic nod but this hasnt been a good year so far for movies.
The nominations don't come out until January 25, 2005. The list you saw was the pictures that have been submitted for the best Documentary category. The year isn't over yet and ballots have yet to be mailed for nominations. Also the list was for the Oscar's and not the Golden Globes, which is what this thread is about.
The foreign film thing isnt true, there have been quite a few films that have been in a foreign language for best picture.
There have been foregin films nominated for a best picture Oscar, not a best picture Golden Globe. This thread was talking about the Golden Globes not the Oscars
winter
11-17-2004, 09:57 PM
You know what... everyone should get over the election including Moore. He should stop trying to aim for the head and go for the ankles... at the corporations and social hypocracy. That's where he's most successful. It'd be pointless to make another F9/11 movie and hopefully he comes around to seeing that.
1. If I'm not mistaken, F 9/11 came out June 23rd. What does this movie have to do with an election?
2. Since he has made the most successful documentary ever, we can toss out that part of your argument, too.
3. A sequel wouldn't be pointless, unless the original bombed. Bush is a never ending source of amusement, don't you agree?
vision_afar
11-18-2004, 12:25 AM
1. If I'm not mistaken, F 9/11 came out June 23rd. What does this movie have to do with an election?
It had everything to do with election. Moore's main goal was to reach as more people as he could so Bush wouldn't be re-elected.
1. If I'm not mistaken, F 9/11 came out June 23rd. What does this movie have to do with an election?
The whole point of the movie was to effect the election. He's even said this himself. That's why he wanted to release the dvd and get it on tv before the election
2. Since he has made the most successful documentary ever, we can toss out that part of your argument, too.
The only reason it's the most popular is because it got the widest release and the more cheap advertising than any documentary ever. The week it came out you couldn't turn on the news without seeing it being talked about.
3. A sequel wouldn't be pointless, unless the original bombed. Bush is a never ending source of amusement, don't you agree?
Sure he's amusing, but I can read those Bushism books and be amused by him. Moore should do something more substantial... more thought provoking. F9/11 was like a Cliffs Notes for every anti-Bush book released in the past few years. Anyone who kept up with the allogations knew that nothing revealed in the movie was new. The best parts were with the soldiers and the families... the Bush-bash was yawnable.
KeyserLime
11-20-2004, 12:32 AM
Even if they were valid i doubt either of those would be nominated for Best Picture at either the oscars or the GG's. I saw 9/11 and liked it but Bowling for Columbine is better, and i absolutley oppose The Passion, but from what i've heard it's not even that good to begin with so i guess i don't have to worry about it getting nominated.
CapricornDevil
11-22-2004, 10:44 AM
Second I don't think either of these movies should be nominated for BP. "9-11" shouldn't be nominated because trying to compare a documentary to a fiction movie is ****ing retarted.
I agree with you, to a point. I can't believe that Michael Moore actually touts himself as a documentary film maker. His movies are not a documentary. A true documentary film maker films what is happening, and then draws conclusions based upon the rhetorical evidence gathered.
What Moore does is the exact opposite. He makes a conclusion, and then twists interviews and evidence to fit his idea of the truth. He did this with Bowling for Columbine and Farenheit 9/11.
All I can say to Michael Moore is this: If you want to twist evidence to suit your own political ideals and concepts, fine. But, don't do it under the guise of documentary film making. It is an insult to the true and honest documentaries out there.
CapricornDevil
11-22-2004, 10:50 AM
Of course, IMO, MM is nothing but a liar and a master manipulator. He is a vile creature who really should go slither back under the rock he crawled out from.
:applaud: :applaud: :applaud:
cerealkiller182
11-23-2004, 11:36 PM
So true.
I hope neither get nominated for Best Picture, both are propaganda, but 9/11 is the good kind.
I didnt see Passion as propaganda so much.
FilmJerk
11-24-2004, 12:01 AM
dont know why poeple cant just look at movies as just movies rather than propaganda or whatever else. Both were excellent movies. The Passion was maybe a little more superior. But I dont think either will be nominated
popcopy
11-24-2004, 01:28 PM
LOL Hillarious
He should be under Best Crap and Best Propeganda.
Michael Moore you suck a****.
Every political person that he interviews just give him the silent treatment.
Cheers to that.
Sparta*
11-25-2004, 03:26 PM
I think its justified not having the passion or 9/11 eligible for best picture
Xander
11-27-2004, 12:26 AM
I didnt see Passion as propaganda so much. Well....it did come from the bible...
Xander
11-27-2004, 02:55 PM
LOL Hillarious
He should be under Best Crap and Best Propeganda.
Michael Moore you suck a****.
Every political person that he interviews just give him the silent treatment.
:confused:
Most people who bash F9/11 have not seen it, even Bush's campain aid addmited so at Bill Maher's show. He was bashing Michael (who was in the same room) and then he said he had 'seen enough on ads' to know it was all fake..I mean...seriously...WTF!
Of course the campaign aide isn't gonna say that he saw it. He wants to keep his job, doesn't he? ;)
Xander
11-27-2004, 03:04 PM
Of course the campaign aide isn't gonna say that he saw it. He wants to keep his job, doesn't he? ;)
Great point, but then if you havent seen it, don't bash it, or you'll look like an ass. Right?
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