anyone else think spiderman 2 is overrated? [Archive]

Tyranic_Lord

11-04-2004, 08:10 PM

I saw it didnt think it was "the best superhero movie" or whatever they were calling it. X2 is still the best superhero movie ever. I felt a little bored with some parts, and the cgi is still not as improved as I thought it would be. Doc Oct didnt feel likea villain just a mad scientist sort of. Lots of melodrama in this movie. Just my rant.

Drizzt240

11-04-2004, 08:16 PM

I think it's kind of overrated. I don't think X-Men 2 is better though.

I'm not that big of a fan of Comic Book adaptations to be honest. My favorite one is still the original Blade.

I assure you we are in the minority here ;)

Mat

11-04-2004, 08:40 PM

It is indeed overrated. It's hardly better than the original... bah to anybody who calls it the best superhero movie. Batman Returns takes that title. Spider-man 2 isn't even in the top ten list.

Tornado

11-04-2004, 08:43 PM

Upon my second viewing of it, I don't think it quite deserves the "best superhero film" title that I gave it. I think that honor goes to Superman II, with Spider-Man 2 in a close second.

Neverending

11-04-2004, 08:47 PM

Spider-Man 2 is an awesome movie, but it is overrated. The original was a million times better.

Tornado

11-04-2004, 08:48 PM

The first one is so much more overrated than the sequel.

Godzilla

11-04-2004, 08:55 PM

No, it's not overrated. X2 is overrated. I liked the original much more than the good but overhyped sequel.

werebadger

11-04-2004, 09:33 PM

So far this is my order of favorites
1. Hellboy
2. Spider-Man 2
3. Spider-Man
4. X-Men 2
5. X-Men

How ever I dont think that Spider-Man 2 was overrated, I think it was great, and that it was way better than the first.

konman72

11-04-2004, 09:56 PM

Both Spiderman movies are overrated imo. I liked them almost as much as most people here the first time I watched them, but upon second viewing I began noticing all the crap dialogue and horrible acting, plus the already iffy cg got worse.

gnarley

11-04-2004, 10:25 PM

kel thuzad

11-05-2004, 06:04 AM

I dont like Spideman or X-men series...if id have to say the best superhero movie...id say Batman Returns

oliver_jones_37

11-05-2004, 06:06 AM

I enjoyed Spider-man 2 more than the original but there's no way it's the best superhero movie of all time, that would be Superman: The Movie. I love the genre and there's not too many of these movies that I didn't like.

As much as i enjoyed the first superman movie i think its ruined by the fact that lex luthor isnt at all threatening, and that super man is quick enough to fly into space spin the the earth round fast enough so that time goes backwards, and yet hes not quick enough to catch 2 rockets...sigh. Pre crisis superman is stupid. And the whole "losing his powers" in superman 2 was demished, becasue he goes without his powers for what... 10 minutes!

Anyway back to spider-man 2, out of all the super hero films ive seen i think its the best out there as well as x men 2. I know some of the effects are iffy and what not. But i just loved the story, it was so much fun and very faithfull to the comic book.

Next year im greatly anticipating batman begins, great director/cast. And from what ive head a story thats faithfull to the source material. I cant wait

But then again every one has different views on a movie, this is just one mans opinion. Although i cant understand how anyone can have HELLBOY at the top of there list!

moviemaker93

11-05-2004, 06:21 AM

Are you kidding me? :omg: :eek: Spiderman 2 is the best superhero film ever.

Andrey83

11-05-2004, 06:30 AM

I think its very, very, very overated.

Sure, the effects are good. But everything else isnt. The story is basicly the same as the first. Seing as they remove his powers, just so he can have them back...stupid. THe actors doesnt do a good job (imo of cource), and the plot realy isnt that superior that people wants it to be.

Yes i agree, the movie is the most overrated this year.

sphericthor

11-05-2004, 08:25 AM

Spider-man 2 is very over rated..... I have to admit that both Spidey movies are a bit less than what I expected. Most comic adaptions are overrated and they lack what we want to see..... most of them are practically love stories and a lot of the action we expect is cut simply to boost the takings at the box office. In future they should make the kiddy version and the 18 rated version just for the hell of it

Drogobaggins

11-05-2004, 11:51 AM

I personally think its better than the first Spiderman. ButI agree with other posters than X-Men 2 is better of current superhero movies. But I think the best is Batman Returns.

Tyranic_Lord

11-05-2004, 03:14 PM

they tried hard to beautify dunst, but she is still freakin' fugly to be Mary Jane. What were they thinking when they chose her?

Neverending

11-05-2004, 05:01 PM

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IT IS OFFICIAL...I AM THE BEST!

Neverending

11-05-2004, 05:19 PM

What were they thinking when they chose her?

That she swims naked.

Glordreen

11-05-2004, 05:56 PM

A little bit, but its still a great movie.

redman

11-05-2004, 06:04 PM

I thought spiderman 2 was great when it first came out. it had a lot of hype and delivered with great effects, story and characters. Maybe it was because of the hype that it was immediately called the best 'comic book movie'. Looking back on it now it does seem a little over rated, but only a little.

I always thought x2 was the best comic book movie.

gnarley

11-05-2004, 11:15 PM

As much as i enjoyed the first superman movie i think its ruined by the fact that lex luthor isnt at all threatening, and that super man is quick enough to fly into space spin the the earth round fast enough so that time goes backwards, and yet hes not quick enough to catch 2 rockets...sigh. Pre crisis superman is stupid. And the whole "losing his powers" in superman 2 was demished, becasue he goes without his powers for what... 10 minutes!
I liked pretty much everything about this movie, from Krypton scenes to how Smallville was handled to Superman's big reveal scene and even the ending. He was able to fly so fast to reverse time because of the emotions he was feeling over Lois' death. He was driven by anger, pain and adrenelin, which allowed him to fly faster that he ever has before. Just watch Reeve's performance just before and as he takes off. Superman is willing to alter time for the woman he loves in defiance of his father's (Jor-El) wishes. The movie was partly a retelling the story of Jesus, in which Jor-El sends his only son to earth. Before this movie was made, I don't think Superheroes weren't taken as seriously as Donner did with Superman.

This movie was pretty much perfectly cast too. I liked how Hackman had fun with his performance of Luthor without being cartoonish. I prefer the pre-crises Superman. I feel that making him more human and less powerful takes away from the character. Just because he loses his powers for 10 minutes of screen time doesn't mean 10 mins. in storytime. He could have been gone days without them. The thing about Spider-man 2 that bothered me the most was that it did the hero losing/giving up his powers for the first sequel, just like in the Superman movies. I kept thinking about Superman II as I watched Spider-man 2, which took me out of the movie.

Birdy

11-05-2004, 11:25 PM

I don't think it's overrated

Sora Kahn

11-07-2004, 03:43 AM

I don't think Spiderman 2 is overrated. But I will have to say that I think X2 is the best comic book film so far.

bbf2

11-07-2004, 03:48 AM

Brock Landers

11-07-2004, 03:57 AM

First viewing: awesome.
Second viewing: good, but not that good.

The best "superhero" movie is Batman(I put superhero in quotes because does Batman even count as a superhero? I mean, he has no superpowers, just an ivy-league intellict and can fight you awfully well).

Rizor

11-07-2004, 11:27 AM

I've seen SM2 twice and thought it was very good on both occasions. For me, the best superhero movie is a toss up between it, Superman, and Batman: Mask of the Phantasm.

neo5595

11-07-2004, 01:37 PM

I have no idea why everyone loved the movie so much. Its one of the worst movies of all time in my opinion. It was such a pointless movie with terrible dialouge and boring action sequences. The movie could have been 35 min. The CGI was terrible and parts that tried to be funny(which there was way too much of) were not funny at all, they were dumb. I mean cmon, he standing in a freakin elevator for like 20 seconds of absolutley nothing happening. The ending was also really terrible. Doc Ock sinking away was so stupid and chessey. The parts that have had to been the worst is when Doc Ock is in that emergency room and he uses his tenticle to pull that one girl away in the dark and her nails are scraching and ripping up the floor, stupid, stupid, stupid. The other laughable part is when Doc Ocks wife looked at her reflection in that broken glass that was flying torwards her(not like we havent see that before). Another bad part was.....actually on second thought the whole movie just sucked. Man, im glad I got that out of my system.

ViRUs

11-07-2004, 10:08 PM

As much as i enjoyed the first superman movie i think its ruined by the fact that lex luthor isnt at all threatening, and that super man is quick enough to fly into space spin the the earth round fast enough so that time goes backwards, and yet hes not quick enough to catch 2 rockets...sigh. Pre crisis superman is stupid. And the whole "losing his powers" in superman 2 was demished, becasue he goes without his powers for what... 10 minutes!

Anyway back to spider-man 2, out of all the super hero films ive seen i think its the best out there as well as x men 2. I know some of the effects are iffy and what not. But i just loved the story, it was so much fun and very faithfull to the comic book.

Next year im greatly anticipating batman begins, great director/cast. And from what ive head a story thats faithfull to the source material. I cant wait

But then again every one has different views on a movie, this is just one mans opinion. Although i cant understand how anyone can have HELLBOY at the top of there list!

I basically agree with this, about 90%. I think spidey 2 was better than X2, but X2 was a close second. You guys are being to critical with the movie, this movie was kind of meant to be between MJ and Peter, with Doc Ock and Harry on the side. Is it overrated? a little, but Sam Raimi just puts so much more work into it its hard not to hype this movie up. If you want to talk about overrated, then the first one i think of is Hellboy. That movie was horrible, and so many people are going to jump on me for saying that.

SnoBorderZero

11-07-2004, 11:00 PM

Um....no. Why would the best film of the year be considered overrated?

neo5595

11-07-2004, 11:17 PM

Um....no. Why would the best film of the year be considered overrated?
I think the best film of the year is your opinion. I personally thought it was the worst film of the year(besides Van Helsing).

Tyranic_Lord

11-07-2004, 11:20 PM

I basically agree with this, about 90%. I think spidey 2 was better than X2, but X2 was a close second. You guys are being to critical with the movie, this movie was kind of meant to be between MJ and Peter, with Doc Ock and Harry on the side. Is it overrated? a little, but Sam Raimi just puts so much more work into it its hard not to hype this movie up. If you want to talk about overrated, then the first one i think of is Hellboy. That movie was horrible, and so many people are going to jump on me for saying that.

I didn't like Hellboy either but it wasn't overrated at all. LIke I didnt see those dumb tv spots saying "so-and-so critic calls it the best superhero movie ever" like spidey 2 got.

ViRUs

11-08-2004, 10:05 PM

your right, it got some but not as much. Everyone on here loves that movie though, im pretty sure im in the minority with that. I just mean, everyone says that that movie was so good, and that they cant wait for the sequel. It just seems to me that they are overrating it.

Sock-Man

11-09-2004, 06:21 AM

It is a tad overated. But I still think it's the best superhero movie.

Xander

11-13-2004, 08:50 PM

Um....no. Why would the best film of the year be considered overrated?

:confused:
Stop making a fool of yourself.

And yeah, its a little overrated, but I did like it a lot, but not 'best picture of the year' at all. -_-

LOTRNUT04

11-13-2004, 08:57 PM

very overrated, both of them

cg124

11-13-2004, 09:00 PM

I still consider spiderman 2 the best comic book adaption,but I understand why some people think it's overated. Every movie that gets a lot of great reviews will always be considered overated to some people.

KCfromTO

11-14-2004, 11:18 PM

I thought "Spiderman 2" was stupid. Little kids might have liked it, but I was insulted by the movie.

All the fight-scenes are ridiculous since Doctor Octopous's mechanical claws should have crushed Spiderman's limbs.

How Peter loses and then regains his powers is not explained.

The train sequence is ridiculous because his webbing could not have slowed down that train.

And when Peter is reunited with Mary Jane but is then "called to duty" when he hears the sirens of the firetrucks and police - so cliche that I had to roll my eyes!

southern

11-15-2004, 12:25 AM

spiderman 1 was so terrible after all the hype
didn't bother seeing SM2

Gomamon

11-15-2004, 06:00 AM

I think both are overrated too.

spiderman_2k

11-15-2004, 07:04 AM

I thought "Spiderman 2" was stupid. Little kids might have liked it, but I was insulted by the movie.

All the fight-scenes are ridiculous since Doctor Octopous's mechanical claws should have crushed Spiderman's limbs.

Spidey's limbs and bones are stronger than a normal humans, which is why he can flex like he does with nothing breaking.

How Peter loses and then regains his powers is not explained.

Yes it is, listen to the movie in future.

The train sequence is ridiculous because his webbing could not have slowed down that train.

As explained in the first movie, his organic webbing can be as strong as suspension cables for bridges.

And when Peter is reunited with Mary Jane but is then "called to duty" when he hears the sirens of the firetrucks and police - so cliche that I had to roll my eyes!

Thats like it is in the comics, cliched or not, its faithfull.

Moridin

11-15-2004, 07:15 AM

I liked the film, but I think X-Men 2 was way better.

Videogamer49107

11-15-2004, 09:08 AM

Spider-Man 2 is a great movie. It delivered everything from the comic and was more than what I expected. I can't wait for Spider-Man 3. X-Men 2 is a great movie too. I'm fearing for no. 3. Bryan Singer is gone now. And Superman 1 is crap. It's a nice idea, but it's so random. Lex Luthor is...not threatening and suddenly out of nowhere he decides that kryptonite must be the one thing that hurts Superman. Plus, it's a bunch of random fight scenes where Superman saves the day. Hellboy rocks. Nuff' said.

1. Hellboy
2. Spider-Man 2
3. X-Men 2
4. Spider-Man
5. X-Men

vision_afar

11-15-2004, 09:43 AM

It is overrated. Bad acting, bad story, crappy cgi, Kirsten Dunst...

How anyone could put Hellboy at the top of their list is beyond me.

Batman Returns is the best one for me.

neo5595

11-15-2004, 10:14 AM

It is overrated. Bad acting, bad story, crappy cgi, Kirsten Dunst...

How anyone could put Hellboy at the top of their list is beyond me.

Batman Returns is the best one for me.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! And I agree even more with the crappy cgi statement. I thought it looked like a cartoon when Spider-man was swinging with the pizza's, and it was also extremley cheesy. GOD, that film was dreadful. I can see why Tobey Mguire(however you spell it) doesnt want to come back to do more of the films(hes one of the few people who realized how dumb and cheesy that film was).

carnage4u

11-15-2004, 10:52 AM

I loved it the first time around and enjoyed it greatly 2nd time around. For me, it dindt lose anything. I'm ok with that.

Glordreen

11-15-2004, 10:54 AM

On my list it is the best superhero movie. And it was not overrated.

Tyranic_Lord

11-15-2004, 12:45 PM

well it seems your in the minority

LOTRNUT04

11-15-2004, 08:08 PM

it wasn't a bad movie, both of them were enjoyable, but most people would still consider them overrated. An overrated movie isn't necessarity a bad movie.

neo5595

11-15-2004, 08:10 PM

In my book it does.

LOTRNUT04

11-15-2004, 08:23 PM

you think overrated=bad....you're niave then

LOTRNUT04

11-15-2004, 08:25 PM

i think forest gump is one of the most overrated movies ever, but i can't deny that is is still a pretty good movie: well acted, etc. just not as amazing as everyone thinks.

vision_afar

11-15-2004, 08:54 PM

you think overrated=bad....you're niave then

Well since so many are saying it is the best comic movie ever, and I personally thought it sucked, in this case overrated does equal bad.

gnarley

11-15-2004, 11:46 PM

Superman 1 is crap. It's a nice idea, but it's so random. Lex Luthor is...not threatening and suddenly out of nowhere he decides that kryptonite must be the one thing that hurts Superman. Plus, it's a bunch of random fight scenes where Superman saves the day.

Superman, IMO, is the best superhero movie ever. I don't see how you can say it's so random. It starts out on Krypton, then shows Kal-El travelling to Earth, growing up in Smallville as Clark, then getting "called" to go the the Arctic where he creates the Fortress of Solitude, then he spends 12 years learning about his heritage, his powers and the universe. In the second half, the movie focuses on an adult Clark and his Superman alter-ego. The film follows a linear path. It's a excellent movie.

Luthor calls himself the Criminal Mastermind of the 20th century, he even states his IQ in comparison to Otis' weight. If you notice, Luthor is researching things about Superman to find a weakness, since he appears to be invincible, and deduces that Kryptonite can harm him. Those random fights are montages that show the extent of Superman's powers. The first Spider-man movie used the same technique when Spidey first appeared in costume as Superman did 20 years earlier.

ViRUs

11-16-2004, 11:17 AM

I absolutely cannot stand people who dont pay attention in movies and then they complain about how bad it is. I actually thought people hated this movie for a reason. Then i see why they hated it and i find out its because all they want is non-stop action, once a serious parts comes along they zone out, or use that time to talk to a friend. I'm sure a lot of people that hated it, didnt understand it. Which is kind of surprising to me, i didnt think it was that hard to understand.

vision_afar

11-16-2004, 11:57 AM

neo5595

11-16-2004, 01:21 PM

I thought the movie was trash and understood it fully. I dont think you have a clue what your talking about, Virus.

ViRUs

11-16-2004, 10:02 PM

This has got to be the lamest argument ever. Why is it that every time someone says they don't like the movie it automatically has to mean they didn't understand it.

I never said that. All i did was complain that most people that say they hate movies dont understand it. I never said you did, or that most people that hated spiderman 2 did, i was just saying i hate when people say they hate it, but they didnt understand it.

ViRUs

11-16-2004, 10:04 PM

I thought the movie was trash and understood it fully. I dont think you have a clue what your talking about, Virus.

I know you dont like the movie Neo, you said it like 7 times in this thread. Again, i never said that you didnt understand it, read above.

Sorry for the double post.

AVEITWITHJAMON

11-29-2004, 08:01 AM

I didnt think SpiderMan 2 was overated at all, best 2004 movie in my opinion. But X2 is the best comic book movie out there, Hulk and The Crow are very close seconds. I've watched spidey 2 three times now, and enjoyed as much every time. When i watch a few more times i'll classify it, it normally takes me a good 5 times to watch a movie and realise how much i like it, but at the moment it is 3rd on my list.

vision_afar

11-29-2004, 10:29 AM

Hulk.... okay....

Morfin

11-29-2004, 10:41 AM

Hulk :omg: ???? ooookay..... spidey 2 is a bit overrated i'll agee on that one. still its one of the best comic book movies imo.

As for X2 i thought it was ok, better than the first, but still a dissapointment imo....

Andrey83

11-29-2004, 11:57 AM

Overrated yes, sucked? no, i dont think it did, but it wasnt far away :)

Tornado

11-29-2004, 05:40 PM

I never said that. All i did was complain that most people that say they hate movies dont understand it. I never said you did, or that most people that hated spiderman 2 did, i was just saying i hate when people say they hate it, but they didnt understand it.

I tend to agree, I mean look at Unbreakable. Pure genius (IMO of course) but, many people hated it (the general audience, not neccessarily people on here) probably because it was too complex for their insignificant specs of a mind.

cg124

11-29-2004, 05:47 PM

I tend to agree, I mean look at Unbreakable. Pure genius (IMO of course) but, many people hated it (the general audience, not neccessarily people on here) probably because it was too complex for their insignificant specs of a mind.

Unbreakble was great indeed. I had no idea what it was about when I saw it, but I loved it. The ending was also great

Tornado

11-29-2004, 05:52 PM

Unbreakble was great indeed. I had no idea what it was about when I saw it, but I loved it. The ending was also great

It's one of the few movies in which I'll really support it and defend it. If I really wanted to, I'm sure I could easily watch it every day. Some parts of it are just so damn powerful (for example, take the scene in which David is pulled out of the pool by the kids and he slowly rises to his feet, all the while the soundtrack really kicks in, just amazing).

cg124

11-29-2004, 05:55 PM

It's one of the few movies in which I'll really support it and defend it. If I really wanted to, I'm sure I could easily watch it every day. Some parts of it are just so damn powerful (for example, take the scene in which David is pulled out of the pool by the kids and he slowly rises to his feet, all the while the soundtrack really kicks in, just amazing).

I'm still all for the ending. It was just so powerful and it makes so much sense and it shows how sick Mr. Glass was

Tornado

11-29-2004, 06:00 PM

I'm still all for the ending. It was just so powerful and it makes so much sense and it shows how sick Mr. Glass was

I agree completely bud. I watched it again about a week ago for the first time in a year or so, and as soon as the ending rolled around, Bruce Willis's performance hit me like a mack truck. I was just in awe at that scene. Mr. Glass is still my third favorite villain of all time (behind Darth Vader and Agent Smith). And that's saying something, because Mr. Glass is only a villain for the last 10 minutes really.

If you've seen the film, go ahead and read the spoilers, I only put them in the tags in case (and this is what I'm hoping for) someone that hasn't seen it decides to watch it. I'd hate to be the guy to spoil the ending.

cg124

11-29-2004, 08:55 PM

I agree completely bud. I watched it again about a week ago for the first time in a year or so, and as soon as the ending rolled around, Bruce Willis's performance hit me like a mack truck. I was just in awe at that scene. Mr. Glass is still my third favorite villain of all time (behind Darth Vader and Agent Smith). And that's saying something, because Mr. Glass is only a villain for the last 10 minutes really.

If you've seen the film, go ahead and read the spoilers, I only put them in the tags in case (and this is what I'm hoping for) someone that hasn't seen it decides to watch it. I'd hate to be the guy to spoil the ending.

IMO unbreakable is better than the sixth sense.

ViRUs

11-30-2004, 11:20 AM

I agree, a lot of people saw the ending of sixth sense coming, i didnt though. In unbreakable there is really no real big clues as how the ending will end. I dont really know why Ubreakable is so underrated, and the Sixth Sense is so overrated. Its kind of weird.

Morfin

11-30-2004, 02:17 PM

IMO unbreakable is better than the sixth sense.
They tie imo, can't choose they are both great.

EvilSam

11-30-2004, 03:39 PM

I must also agree its overrated.
A good movie none the less but overrated.

Tornado

11-30-2004, 05:58 PM

IMO unbreakable is better than the sixth sense.

Same, it's quite possibly my favorite film of all time. If not my favorite, at least in the top 3.

guidetofun

11-30-2004, 06:55 PM

Was spider man overrateed.HECK NO it was a great movie and nothing worng about it but the lack of action in some parts and too much comedy for the movie it was so other then that it was bomb.

super_child

11-30-2004, 08:16 PM

The first one is so much more overrated than the sequel.

Dude I'm Super_Child from SSH aswell as here. Thanks for using my avatar hope you like it :p

Tornado

11-30-2004, 09:41 PM

Dude I'm Super_Child from SSH aswell as here. Thanks for using my avatar hope you like it :p

Oh, thanks man. I was going to PM you there, but, it wouldn't let me log in to my account (I'm also Tornado over there), so I figured that you posted it with the intent of people using it. Thanks though (don't worry, I'm not using your bandwith, hosted it myself), and great job.

AVEITWITHJAMON

12-01-2004, 08:43 AM

I do agree that Unbreakable is better than SS

Xander

12-02-2004, 05:17 PM

I was just watching SpiderMan 2 and I have to say that after watching the making-of, its quite incredible what they acomplished, but then again, they had over $200 million to do so...maybe its a little bit overrated? but not as overrated as X2...

forty7

12-03-2004, 12:48 AM

Not as overrated as Saw.

Andrey83

12-03-2004, 07:56 AM

Oh, thanks man. I was going to PM you there, but, it wouldn't let me log in to my account (I'm also Tornado over there), so I figured that you posted it with the intent of people using it. Thanks though (don't worry, I'm not using your bandwith, hosted it myself), and great job.

The avatar is cool, but it doesnt fit you. I dont know, when i see that avatar i dont see Tornado :)

Hmmm...strange thing indeed. Cant explain hehe.