The Official Question and Answer Thread for Jedi

[PsYkOoOoO]

Here i am again setting up a thread exclusively for questions regarding the ROTK EE.Last year,our great Jedi the White was overwhelmed by questions believe it or not.Therefore,this thread is meant for people like Indrid who has infinite number of questions and is willing to have Jedi spoil the EE for him.I wonder if this thread will get closed down,but this will definitely make Jedi's life a lot easier.So post away people~

Oh yes,and be warned:

Major Spoilers Ahead!

[PsYkOoOoO]

From Kungfuhobbit:

-does gandalf not get even remotely angry at being fireballed?!
-does he fight witchking entirely upon shadowfax?
-does he use his sword or his staff to fight the witchking?
***did any of your NL buddies mention a cinema release?

From Piisku[Fin]:

Is there any hints concerning Palantir of Denethor?

From Wyn:

weddings??

please i need to know!!! could u pm me if u dont wamt to put it up???

all i want to know is if Aragorn and Arwen`s is in and if Eowyn and Faramir`s is in??? No details just a yes or no to both if u could??

From Fea Fluez

And if. Please tell what you mean in the part with the Easterlings at the MT-Gate.
And is the Crossroad-Scene befor VoS or why have you took this arrangement?

From Indrid Cold:

1. What about an official release date?
2. What about an official clip or Trailer?
3. Official images, do you heard something about that?
4. How many people were there?
5. Who was there?
6. Was PJ there?
7. Will there come out other reviews from other persons, that was there?


Saruman/Grima:
1. Will they appear on the balcony in the beginning? They wont, right?
2. Grima will after the death of Saruman throw the Palantir, and this is the reason, because Legoals will kill him? I have made exactly this speculation a few days ago!
3. Are there other extended scenes there? Before Saruman appears, or after that? Mayby the elven brooch?
4. How Saruman dies?
5. Are all pics on my site about this scene in the SEE, or are there some pics, that was not in the SEE?

Crossroads:
1. Will they walk in a little forest, before they enter the cross-roads?
2. About is Gollum talk with himself?
2a. Is the sky darker?
3. Are all pics on my site about this scene in the SEE, or are there some pics, that was not in the SEE?


Edoras:
1. Gimli will win the Drinking Game? Does he? Or Eomer? And what happened with Leoglas?
2. Aragorn/Sleeping Eowyn: What are they talking about?
3. Extra dialogue: what for new dialogues?


Rivendell:
1. What about the bridge?
2. What about the book?
3. Elrond takes Arwen in his arms, what about that?
4. What about all that Trailer-Qutots? Are they in the SEE?


Merry become a knight:
1. Are there scenes, that us show, how Merry get his helmet, his pony or his armour?


Endless staircase
1. What new scenes of the landscape? Does Sam see the burning Minas Tirith or something like that?


Camp:
1. Merry is talking with Eowyn (the dialogue from the Comic-Con)! Great!
2. They will make a break because the horses, have I understand that correctly?
3. Will Aragorn touches Eowyns face (Trailer)?

PATHS OF THE DEAD:
1. Black ships: in the Comic-con-Trailer we saw, that Aragorn and co. stand still. Only the dead warriros attacked the ships. Does Gimli, Aragorn and Legolas fight against the men from the ships? Will Legolas kill PJ? And how kill Legolas PJ?


The Siege of Gondor
1. A lot of more Easterlings?
2. Does the Witchking really say this too? "YOU FOOL!!!!! DO YOU NOT KNOW DEATH WHEN YOU SEE IT!!!!!
3. The staff from Gandalf will be destroyed by the Witchking?


Pelennor:
1. You said, Eomer and Theoden-Fans like it. Why? What new scenes are there?
2. Eowyn will win against Gothmog, does she? And will she kill him? No, she wont, he knock her down and run to the ships. There Aragaron and Gimli will kill him. Right?
3. What about Gamling?

Cirith Ungol
1. The watchers in the front-door? Are they acitve in the SEE?


The HOUSE OF HEALING
1. Will Faramir kiss Eowyn in the House of Healings?


Mouth of Sauron
1. How long speak they?
2. What happened with the Mithril-west? Will Gandalf take it?
3. Will the Mouth of Sauron hurt Aragorns cheek? He must!
4. Will the MoS really lose his head?
5. What about the horses? Why they disappear?

Black gate
1. Why is Pippin holding Merry?
2. What about the troll? Will Aragorn kill one? Will Pippin kill one? Will both kill one?
3. What happened exactly with Legolas and what with Gimli?


More questions:
1. What about the confrontation between Gollum and Sam?
2. Is there a “Brother-and-sister”-moment between Eomer and Eowyn in Edoras or somewhere?
3. Will the “We shall see the shire again”-Scene in the SEE?
4. Will the white mountains be in the SEE?
5. Will that (http://www.hdr-see.de/neue_seite_11_e.htm ) be in the SEE?
6. Will that http://www.hdr-see.de/neue_seite_13_e.htm ) be in the SEE?
7. Will that (http://www.hdr-see.de/neue_seite_18a_e.htm ) be in the SEE (four first images)?
8. What about this first image? http://www.hdr-see.de/neue_seite_19_e.htm
8a. And that scene? Is this image frome the same scene? http://www.hdr-see.de/rotk-see-pics/02c/60.jpg
9. Will there be a mention about Denethors palantir?
10. Can you tell more about the Witchking-confrontation? How does he fight? Will Gandalf goes down the horse and fight by feet?
11. In the end: are there are the two marriages? Kisses between Eowyn/Faramir? Eomer, who will be the boss of Edoras? Funrael of Theoden? White tree?
12. Is there a epilogue?

[Ladylogan]

There are rumours about a Faramir/Éowyn-wedding scene. Is it in the EE?

[PsYkOoOoO]

From OBSERVER:

Where is the split?

I dont think Jedi watched the EE with the split.

[PsYkOoOoO]

From Shagrat

1) Does Theoden take down a Mumakil?
2) What becomes of Gamling?
3) Do we see more Wargs?
4) Any Boromir flashbacks?
5) Does Gothmog actually call for Grond?
6) Do we see any shots of the Easterlings lining up for the siege?
7) Have the Easterlings been added to the Gandalf/Pippin balcony scene?
8) Is there an Epilogue?

[Frodo Baggins]

*edit* my bad :) questions below....

[PsYkOoOoO]

From Frodo Baggins

1. Is Merry included at all in the Houses of Healing?
2. You said that the characters who benefitted were eomer, merry, pippin, and gandalf; do you feel sam and frodo benefitted also? Are they still the prominant story line in rotk? I'm kind of worried about this since you barely described any new scenes with them included....
3. What was your favorite new scene?
4. Are their any expansions after mt. doom that you did not cover in your review? (yes or no only please; i dont want to be spoiled!)

[Tornado]

You know... I don't think you have to repost something that another poster in THIS thread just said. ;)

[PsYkOoOoO]

Actually i didnt know he posted it.:)

[Tornado]

*checks timing of posts*

Ohhh... hehe.... my bad. Nevermind then.

[Mr. Frodo]

jedi you are so awesome!
*bows*

i have a few questions, you said that there is a new Gollum/sam Confrontation was that reffering to the Cross Roads, or was that *crosses fingers* at mount doom where after sam slices gollum frodo runs away, now *insert* new scene where sam lets gollum go showing his pity for him and thus not killing him? i hope so.

also is the tossing of the pots scene very emotional or is it him just getting rid of stuff.

and finally Epilouge?

thanks in advance jedi, you really are the king.

[Macca_UK]

Hey Jedi,

Long time reader, first time poster here. Can I just ask if Denethor's death scene is changed at all? If the funeral procession is going up to Rath Dinen right on the mountain, doesn't that leave the Steward with an awful long way to run to jump off the prow?

Also, I'd really like to know if there's a Galadriel epilogue to tie up with the opening of FotR and the middle of TT? And is there any extension (including dialogue) of the Eowyn-WitchKing duel? Does it still cut away to show Aragorn returning in the middle?

[coal-ash]

Thank jedi for that awsome review. I have one question to add to th ealready large amount. As withe the other 2 ee the title has been placed in a diffrent part of the film . is this true again and if so at what part.
Thanks again

[New_Breed]

soooo.....lots of questions but no answers.

ive got 1, are the easterlings done justice in the EE?

[Indrid Cold]

From Jedis review:
I know this is not much, but this should get you to at least October when other reports start popping up and are even more spoiler filled than this one.
What? There will come out more reviews? How many? And who will write them? Where will they make it puplic?

[whosaidwhatnow?]

Poor Jedi, hes gotta do alot of typing

[PsYkOoOoO]

From KenM:

Thank you Jedi, I look forward to December. I have a couple of questions:
1. Did you have an intermission when you saw the EE? If so where was the break? Trying to figure out where the break will be on the DVD's.

2. Did they change the multiple endings feeling they had from the TC? The fade to black ending a couple of things.

Thanks.

[PsYkOoOoO]

soooo.....lots of questions but no answers.



Because he's not online?

[Elf Lady]

Thanks PsYkOoOoO for setting up this thread. Hopefully Jedi gets some well deserved rest before facing all our questions! :P

[PsYkOoOoO]

Yeah.Hope he wont pass out upon reading Indrid's questions...

[DjU]

How excited will you be in November/December when you *Really* see the EE

[The Red Avenger]

Just one or two from me.

Do we get "begone foul dwimmerlaik?" As I see it, if we can have The darkness will not avail you flame of Udun, then I don't see why not.

Does Frodo spare Gollum's life on Mount Doom?

and finally is there an epilogue?

Thanks in advance.
...
RA

[fêa fleuz]

One more from me, JEDI:

What about the "Sam-sees-MT-scene"? Or can´t you remember?;)

[Indrid Cold]

27 crossroad-questions for Jedi (http://www.hdr-see.de/questions-for-jedi-crossroads.htm)

Post answers here, via E-Mail or private message.
Thank you!

[Helmshammer85]

Thanks for taking the time to write the review Jedi, much appriciated. :)

Its sounds like there is tons of stuff to look forward to, but I won't bombard you with hundreds of questions on the specific details.

The one question I would like to ask though is:

Do Aragorn & Gimli fight Gothmog?

You don't have to give away how he gets killed or anything, just I heard a rumour that they fight him?

Thanks dude

[kylesmile]

Is the smeagol/deagol scene still the opening?
Is there a new place for the "Return of the King" title? (don't want to know where, just if it's new)
Is the scene from the trailer with Arwen on a bridge and Elrond saying: "You gave away your life's grace. I cannot protect you anymore."?
What is your one favorite addition?
Is the extended edition more or less of an improvement over the theatrical cut than with FOTR and TTT EEs?

THANKS! (and I understand if you don't answer any or all of these questions)

-Kyle.

[Indrid Cold]

Thanks for taking the time to write the review Jedi, much appriciated. :)

Its sounds like there is tons of stuff to look forward to, but I won't bombard you with hundreds of questions on the specific details.

The one question I would like to ask though is:

Do Aragorn & Gimli fight Gothmog?

You don't have to give away how he gets killed or anything, just I heard a rumour that they fight him?

Thanks dude
My speculation (just speculation): Eowyn wont kill Gothmog. He can flee, runs towards the black ships, searching for help. His problem are Gimli and Aragorn! They will kill him!
The last images are the proof:
http://www.hdr-see.de/neue_seite_25.htm
Sorry, but the English report is still not updated!
Scroll down and there you can find the images!
Pic 1 left: PJ talks with Aragorn
Pic 2 right: PJ shows to Aragorn, how he must stab Gothmog from behind in the back (unfair, isn't it?)
Pic 3 left: Gothmog on knees. He was attacked by Gimli. Gimli stands in front of Gothmog, with his axe. In the background stands Aragorn.
Pic 4 right: now Aragorn run towards Gothmog. Gothmog still on knees, he is wounded. Aragorn stand behind Gothmog, take his sword and stabs Gothmog in the back. Not very nice!
Pic 5 (the last little one): Gothmog falls dead from Aragorns blade.

[Mr. Blonde1]

I think if Eowyn kills Gothmog it will be overdoing it a bit. She already get's her glory with the Witchking. If she kills them both it makes her look more of a skilled fighter then she actually is IMO.

[Elessar504]

Well I have questions too, many of them were already asked before but I have these:

1.Any final for Legolas and Gimli?
2.Aragorn's dream was eliminated or complemented with Aragorn and the palantir
3.Tell us more about Rivendell: Arwen and the Library, The Bridge, the book and the POTD?
4.Any wedding?

Thanks

[Mr. Blonde1]

Jedi, 1 question please. Is there an Epilogue? i don't need details. I just wanna know if its there. thanks man.

[stevev]

please tell us more about merry's sword and about easterlings

[Melkors_Servant]

Anyone else starting to get worried that maybe Jedi didn't see the EE? Jedi is even being talked about in other forums where they seem to think that anyone who has paid attention to the leaks and interviews over the months could have written that review.
Things that he said like he thinks he might have seen some Mumakil ramming the walls of MT add to my worries. We have all seen the paintings in the Art of ROTK that show this and I think someone would def. remember a shot like that. I have a feeling Jedi may be avoiding this thread for a reason. Really, really hope I am wrong!!

[Frodo Baggins]

Anyone else starting to get worried that maybe Jedi didn't see the EE? Jedi is even being talked about in other forums where they seem to think that anyone who has paid attention to the leaks and interviews over the months could have written that review.
Things that he said like he thinks he might have seen some Mumakil ramming the walls of MT add to my worries. We have all seen the paintings in the Art of ROTK that show this and I think someone would def. remember a shot like that. I have a feeling Jedi may be avoiding this thread for a reason. Really, really hope I am wrong!!

well whatever he is i think everyone is really exaggerating his greatness...and you're right, i could have made that exact review myself; but whatever....maybe everyone on this board knows something i don't...

[kungfuhobbit]

i doubt it, he's got too good a reputation to blag us like that. Apparently he saw the other ee's early too. He only just posted the review today, and this threads only existed for a few hours, so i wouldnt worry, give him time.
Though i gotta admit, i was expecting more detail for some things. However i'm glad that i havent read a blow by blow description which would make me annoyed with myself.

[Frodo Baggins]

hm...still sounds suspicious to me...but i guess you guys have been on longer than i and would know more about him. I really am not saying Jedi's a fake, I guess he make his review spoiler-free so we wont be, well, spoiled...but heck, if thats all you guys wanted, I would have been glad to copy and paste all that info for you ;)

[kungfuhobbit]

hmm, well now i read the review again, i do see what you mean-there were only four details and one line that i hadnt heard about before. The rest is already on Indrid's site, though i guess that is a hek of a lot. Im hoping the juicy details will be delivered shortly!

[The Red Avenger]

Jedi's credibility is well founded.

He has mentioned some scenes that we don't know about or guess - the "I'll be an orc no more" quote has never come up, nor has "Do you not know death when you see it?" nor the moments in the HoH between Faramir and Aragorn and certainly not the Palantir.

So his credibility is well founded.

If you are talking about Tolkienonline - then that place is full of so many cynics (not all though) and those refuting Jedi won't believe anything until they see it for themselves.
...
RA

[Indrid Cold]

I think Jedi say the truth! Of course he did! Then there are new things.

Because he says, that Saruman will shoot the fireball in the beginning of
the scene, and that Saruman is only on the top of the tower (not on the
balcony).
He said that Gollum is talking to himself in the end of the cross-roads,
this is new for me!
New angel-shots in Osgiliath, a lot of new quotes ( "Sauron has hated the
west through many ages, it is a hatred that flows from the depths of time
across the deeps of the sea.").
He also mentioned a stop from the ridders of Rohan because the horses. This
is new for me too! And Pippin how says "I am just a hobbit..." I always
thought, he speak with Theoden, but he speak with Eowyn. This is also new
for me.
There are also Dead Archers he said. There are also a few more Easterlings,
after Grond have destroyed the main-gate in Minas Tirith.
New details from the Witchking-conforntation. mumakil, that smashing themself
to the walls of Minas Tirith! This is new for me!

Jedi also mentioned Ioreth in the Houses of healing with quote, Faramir will kiss Eowyn in the HoH, Aragorn wont touch Eowyns face in the camp, there are some little extendeds before or after the death of Saurman (elven brooch), Frodo and Sam walk a little bit, until they arrive in the crossroads, the sky is not darker, the most new scenes from Elrond/Arwen were in the SEE, there was not death-scene of Gamling and much more.
Aragorn will kill a troll in the black gate, the "We shall see the shire again"-scene is not in the SEE.

And:
There are some weddings. No burial for Theoden. Eomer becomes king. Epilogue? Well, let's just say everyone has their closing story.

All that more or less is new for me!

[Helmshammer85]

Yeah, I have seen pics of Aragorn & Gimli killing Gothmog before, it was on some report on ABC.

I hope the show more of Aragorn, Legolas & Gimli kicking a*s in the EE. I was a bit disapointed in how short their part in the Pelennor Fields battle was.
The just kind of show up with the dead army, Legolas does his Mumakil stunt, a few shots of Aragorn kickin' some orcish butt.....and before you know it, the battle is over!! Ended way to abruptly for my liking, not much of a climax, especially when you consider how much time it took building the whole battle up.

[DjU]

Jedi's credibility is well founded.

That debatable, and its exactly what a few people in the above post are questioning

He has mentioned some scenes that we don't know about or guess - the "I'll be an orc no more" quote has never come up,

Yes it has, it has appeared in the Photoguide

nor has "Do you not know death when you see it?"

a) its a quote from the book, so it wouldn't be suprising to be in the movie
b) how do you know it *really* is in

nor the moments in the HoH between Faramir and Aragorn and certainly not the Palantir.

Most the Aragon & Palantir Material was a the start of the Comic-Con trailer the bit we didn't get to see in the leak.

So his credibility is well founded.

Again that is not a FACT, you are entitled to belive Jedi but other may not and they have all the right in the world to voice there concerns.

If you are talking about Tolkienonline - then that place is full of so many cynics (not all though) and those refuting Jedi won't believe anything until they see it for themselves.

Call us cynics if you like but we have just made a few people on this board realise that theres a possibility that what they have been told may not be true. I prefer realists rather than cycnics

[Glordreen]

This is a Q&A for Jedi, but we cant do this without JEDI!!!

[adt100]

Ah, DjU, I see you have come over from TORC just this afternoon. :D

[Cloud Buster]

Indrid, where are you quoting this from:

"There are some weddings. No burial for Theoden. Eomer becomes king. Epilogue? Well, let's just say everyone has their closing story."

I don't see that anywhere in JEDI's review, but it would be good news if it was and I missed it!! :)

[kungfuhobbit]

Jedi also mentioned Ioreth in the Houses of healing with quote, Faramir will kiss Eowyn in the HoH, Aragorn wont touch Eowyns face in the camp, there are some little extendeds before or after the death of Saurman (elven brooch), Frodo and Sam walk a little bit, until they arrive in the crossroads, the sky is not darker, the most new scenes from Elrond/Arwen were in the SEE, there was not death-scene of Gamling and much more.
Aragorn will kill a troll in the black gate, the "We shall see the shire again"-scene is not in the SEE.

All that more or less is new for me!

*WOW*-when has he said this-i cant find it in the review??? thanks

[fattybolger]

Anyone else starting to get worried that maybe Jedi didn't see the EE? Jedi is even being talked about in other forums where they seem to think that anyone who has paid attention to the leaks and interviews over the months could have written that review.
Things that he said like he thinks he might have seen some Mumakil ramming the walls of MT add to my worries. We have all seen the paintings in the Art of ROTK that show this and I think someone would def. remember a shot like that. I have a feeling Jedi may be avoiding this thread for a reason. Really, really hope I am wrong!!

Pardon my passion but, AARGH! What does Jedi owe any of us? This post and some of the reactionary stuff I've read on other sights has certainly humbled and humiliated me..I always thought Tolkein fans were a cut above the jealous rancor I see being spewed about... :angry: What a rude awakening!!!

I mean no personal attack on you, MS...I am just curious what motive you would ascribe do Jedi for running such an elaborate scam?

But hey, in the end we are left to our personal sense of humanity...if Jedi's writing doesn't ring true, don't accept it...if it does, enjoy and be grateful for it, as I am :) I can not imagine this "evil Jedi" scenario, but hey, whatever floats your boat :)

And, Jedi, you certainly don't need me defending you...your integrity speaks for itself...

[The Red Avenger]

and I've been at these boards much longer than you, and know him better.

Debatable or not, its unfair to call him a fraud unbtil he can defend himself.

Nice to see you had to join to post.

Yes TORC has always been full of cynics, which is why I hardly post there even though I read there. I notice you are fairly new there also.

I would do my research first if I were you.

Oh the world is full of cynics, its rather pathetic and sad.
...
RA

[Indrid Cold]

Indrid, where are you quoting this from:

"There are some weddings. No burial for Theoden. Eomer becomes king. Epilogue? Well, let's just say everyone has their closing story."

I don't see that anywhere in JEDI's review, but it would be good news if it was and I missed it!! :)
Jedi have answerd a few of my questions (here page one).

I think, the sense of this thread is to show the answers (scroll down):
http://www.hdr-see.de/neue_seite_2d_e.htm

[kungfuhobbit]

thanks Indrid

[Indrid Cold]

But there are still a lot of unanswered questions.

[kungfuhobbit]

-gandalf fighting by foot?! against a nazgul?! does he even get near the witchking himself?!
-is the scene with the troll running away from Aragorn at Black Gates replaced then if he kills it?

[stargoddess]

1. is there anything with the weddings in Gondor?
2. is there any more interaction with Aragorn/Arwen at the end
3. Does the Wiki fight with Eowyn still get disrupted by the corsairs?

[DjU]

Yes TORC has always been full of cynics, which is why I hardly post there even though I read there. I notice you are fairly new there also.

I would do my research first if I were you.

Oh the world is full of cynics, its rather pathetic and sad.
...
RA


Just that my joining date is recent doesn't mean I'm new to the boards, the same goes for this board, i have lurked for years.

Being cynical is neither Sad nor Pathetic, it is more preferable than going through life being oblivious to things and thinking things are sweeter than they truely are.

[Smeagol]

The reason why JEDI will probably refuse to even respond to this thread is because is he/she more than likely hurt and upset by the uncalled-for accusations doubting his credibility. If I were him/her, I wouldn't bother answering many of your questions, either.

JEDI was told by members of this forum to KEEP DIALOGUE SPOILERS TO A MINIMUM BUT STILL REVEAL SOME JUICY BITS IN TERMS OF SCENES. He also adhered to the wishes of myself and a few others by not revealing the ending to the movie and by keeping the 'meat' of some highly anticipated scenes under wraps so that - and I quote - "we can all experience the feeling of being surprised by LOTR one last time." JEDI has kept his words and posted a very good review, the legitimacy of which should be in no doubt and will naturally be proven 99% correct in a few months' time (although I think he meant to say that Merry talks to Theoden - not Eowyn - about "being a little hobbit" ;)).

JEDI has no need to reveal his contacts or protest his legitimacy, nor does he have to go in any more detail just to answer your copious questions. I notice that some of you have posted 20+ questions. :rolleyes: Please, give the guy some respect! I'm sure New Line know just who was at their special screening so by process of elimination they could find out eventually who has spilled the beans (by that I mean discovering his real name, not MB ID). As it is, I think JEDI's review contains enough 'meat' and spoilers to satisfy most MB members yet is probably not considered 'serious enough' for New Line to ask to take it down. That strikes me as being a great bit of professional journalism from JEDI, then. :applaud:

[Necross]

Are they going to release the EE preview for download or anything? I would love to see a clear and perfect version of it. Not that I haven't watched the one from Comic-con over 100 times already. ;)

[ILOVEKATIE]

This is the main thing I want to know.
All I want to know if there is some sort of Epilogue? Please, just a 'yes' or 'no'.

[YodatheHobbit]

I have only one question that it think knowone has asked yet.

Does Arwen sing a song?

[Cloud Buster]

I'm with you, ILOVEKATIE, that's the one question really burning in my mind!! :)

Everyone should check out the link Indrid gave to his site -- JEDI answered a lot of questions there. His response to the epilogue question was that we'll see, but "everyone has a closing story". To me, that implies that there is some sort of epilogue, or at least some closure on all of the characters. He seemed to want to kind of not tell us the ending, perhaps it's really good and he doesn't want to spoil us!! :)

[Cloud Buster]

To the JEDI naysayers:

Believe what you will. I think JEDI's response to all this flak might be that you can believe him if you want to, but if you don't, fine. But don't register for this board just so you can start posting and cause a bunch of crap. We don't need it and we don't want it. JEDI is highly respected here, and it's not because of spoilers or inside info, it's because of his stellar candor and respect for everyone here. There's no need to jump in here and play these childish games, especially when you well know that the person you're talking smack about is dead tired from a trip halfway around the world (which he did twice in a week) and likely doesn't have the energy to fight back right now anyway. Even if he did, I doubt he would -- he has no need to get involved in such petty disputes and lower himself to your level.

[adt100]

Terrible 'netiquette' aside, this is one of the funniest comments I've read in a while - "Your skepticism is clearly interfering with the appearance of the spirits. I'm afraid you must leave the seance." :funny:

[ILOVEKATIE]

I'm with you, ILOVEKATIE, that's the one question really burning in my mind!! :)

Everyone should check out the link Indrid gave to his site -- JEDI answered a lot of questions there. His response to the epilogue question was that we'll see, but "everyone has a closing story". To me, that implies that there is some sort of epilogue, or at least some closure on all of the characters. He seemed to want to kind of not tell us the ending, perhaps it's really good and he doesn't want to spoil us!! :)
I didn't notice that. thanks for the heads up, the quote "everyone has a closing story" makes me feel good. :)

[Mr. Blonde1]

I wonder if Legolas' "ARRRRRRAAGOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRNNNNNNN" scream from the trailer has been put back in the battle at the black gates.

[The Red Avenger]

Brilliant post Smeagol.

Thankyou for putting into print most of my defending points.

I know you have issues with some of the films points, but your defence of Jedi, was eloquent and well put.

See Dju, he made a very valid point.
...
RA

[kungfuhobbit]

Oh the world is full of cynics, its rather pathetic and sad.
How can you be so petty and easily offended?! I don’t think the posters of the "faking-it" claims meant it to be insulting. I know some of you feel a duty to stick up for Jedi but being rude to those simply expressing their opinions is plain wrong! The disbelievers have got a point that a lot of the stuff was already known so its an interesting thought for DEBATE (not trade of insults!) that the review is faked. However, I think raising credibility issues in the Q&A thread is just a tad inappropriate! At the end of the day, Jedi HAS SEEN THE EE and has generously given up his time to write up a report for us. Why bother going to the trouble of faking it? He's been right before about things and word around here is that he's reliable and a good guy. Seriously guys, this thread was meant to be a list of questions for Jedi, but its turning unpleasant. Quit it!

[Indy7solo]

Please tell me that denethor's swan dive off minas tirith has been cut out, worst moment of the entire trilogy.

[darthspielberg]

That debatable

Again that is not a FACT, you are entitled to belive Jedi but other may not and they have all the right in the world to voice there concerns.



watch it. :nono: You are a newbie so i will give you slack, but never mock the name of JEDI. He is the most trustworthy person i have ever known and not met. He delivered a film i made directly into the hands of Peter Jackson and Co. when he has no reason to...I trust him and so should you.

:angry:

p.s. JEDI answered all my questions in his review. I believe he is still the King...

[darthspielberg]

Just that my joining date is recent doesn't mean I'm new to the boards, the same goes for this board, i have lurked for years.

Being cynical is neither Sad nor Pathetic, it is more preferable than going through life being oblivious to things and thinking things are sweeter than they truely are.

oh, okay, i was wrong, so you lurk, Whopdie-F*****-Do!

You are still a newbie, in my books, because you never took the time to post, you LTR-FTP (long time reader, first time poster).

leave JEDI alone, or i will petition to have you banned...no joke.

[darthspielberg]

The reason why JEDI will probably refuse to even respond to this thread is because is he/she more than likely hurt and upset by the uncalled-for accusations doubting his credibility. If I were him/her, I wouldn't bother answering many of your questions, either.

JEDI was told by members of this forum to KEEP DIALOGUE SPOILERS TO A MINIMUM BUT STILL REVEAL SOME JUICY BITS IN TERMS OF SCENES. He also adhered to the wishes of myself and a few others by not revealing the ending to the movie and by keeping the 'meat' of some highly anticipated scenes under wraps so that - and I quote - "we can all experience the feeling of being surprised by LOTR one last time." JEDI has kept his words and posted a very good review, the legitimacy of which should be in no doubt and will naturally be proven 99% correct in a few months' time (although I think he meant to say that Merry talks to Theoden - not Eowyn - about "being a little hobbit" ;)).

JEDI has no need to reveal his contacts or protest his legitimacy, nor does he have to go in any more detail just to answer your copious questions. I notice that some of you have posted 20+ questions. :rolleyes: Please, give the guy some respect! I'm sure New Line know just who was at their special screening so by process of elimination they could find out eventually who has spilled the beans (by that I mean discovering his real name, not MB ID). As it is, I think JEDI's review contains enough 'meat' and spoilers to satisfy most MB members yet is probably not considered 'serious enough' for New Line to ask to take it down. That strikes me as being a great bit of professional journalism from JEDI, then. :applaud:


amen, brother. this is what i was trying to say without being so much of an a-hole. forgive me friends, but that guy was pissing me off. :angry: so i will calm down now, thanks to Smeagol.

[thewickedchild]

Wow... I think that's the first time I ever agreed with anything Smeagol wrote. ;)

[The Red Avenger]

Kungfuhobbit, me petty? It was I who defended him from the fraud, fake and charade insults.

Personally I believe Jedi, he has been very trustworthy, because some others on another board are questioning him I find rather mean since they have no creedence to discredit him.

When I hear "oh he's an obvious fake" then I get angry, because I know the good will of the reviewer, he has given up valuable time for this review, so he is to be applauded not villified.

I will say no more on this.
...
RA

[PsYkOoOoO]

Calm down people.

Questions regarding the EE.Not questions regarding Jedi.

[PsYkOoOoO]

Actually i do have one question:

Got to see the credits?Did Christopher Lee appear this time?

[Kerry from Cali]

.maybe everyone on this board knows something i don't...


we could write volumes about what you don't know. you're new. you don't know who or what you're talking about. stop and do your homework before you come slagging in here at someone that is *very* well respected and liked.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

From Kungfuhobbit:

-does gandalf not get even remotely angry at being fireballed?!
-does he fight witchking entirely upon shadowfax?
-does he use his sword or his staff to fight the witchking?
***did any of your NL buddies mention a cinema release?

From Piisku[Fin]:

Is there any hints concerning Palantir of Denethor?

From Wyn:

weddings??

please i need to know!!! could u pm me if u dont wamt to put it up???

all i want to know is if Aragorn and Arwen`s is in and if Eowyn and Faramir`s is in??? No details just a yes or no to both if u could??

From Fea Fluez

And if. Please tell what you mean in the part with the Easterlings at the MT-Gate.
And is the Crossroad-Scene befor VoS or why have you took this arrangement?



I answered Indrid's already, he pmed them to me I guess because he thought he was taking up too much space. :)

Gandalf upset? No. He was unaffected by it. Which in turn only angered Sauruman.

Entirely upon Shadowfax? Not entirely.

Did Gandalf use his sword? Yeah.

Cinema release? Nope. No word except that it must green lighted and once it is we are in the clear. :)


Hint of Denethor's? Just when he says I have you seen more than you know.

Easterlings? You can see them marching up to the gate.

Crossroads scene was before I believe.

[Brock Landers]

oh, okay, i was wrong, so you lurk, Whopdie-F*****-Do!

You are still a newbie, in my books, because you never took the time to post, you LTR-FTP (long time reader, first time poster).

leave JEDI alone, or i will petition to have you banned...no joke.

Calm down. You are in danger of being banned yourself, if you do not watch your tongue. Calm down.

[Kerry from Cali]

Kungfuhobbit, me petty? It was I who defended him from the fraud, fake and charade insults.

Personally I believe Jedi, he has been very trustworthy, because some others on another board are questioning him I find rather mean since they have no creedence to discredit him.

When I hear "oh he's an obvious fake" then I get angry, because I know the good will of the reviewer, he has given up valuable time for this review, so he is to be applauded not villified.

I will say no more on this.
...
RA

hiya RA~ you should come in the Green Dragon sometime..

first ale's on me. :)

[fineus fog]

second round's on me
and thanks kerry for eloquently putting (once again) what I and many otheres wanted to say

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

From OBSERVER:

Where is the split?

I dont think Jedi watched the EE with the split.

Oh yes INTERMISSION all the way.

I confess I couldn't hang. My fault drinking tea before sitting down.


Stopped after Theoden says "no more despair."

Even at the ending when trying watch the credits I had to run to the bathroom again.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

From Shagrat

1) Does Theoden take down a Mumakil?
2) What becomes of Gamling?
3) Do we see more Wargs?
4) Any Boromir flashbacks?
5) Does Gothmog actually call for Grond?
6) Do we see any shots of the Easterlings lining up for the siege?
7) Have the Easterlings been added to the Gandalf/Pippin balcony scene?
8) Is there an Epilogue?


1) He battled one.
2) He died. Wasn't shown.
3) Very few. Mostly from wide shots.
4) I still didn't see a Boromor flashback or even as the rumor was talking "ghost of Boromir." Not even at comic-con did I see that.
5) Him and everyone other orc there.
6) Yes, as they are bring up grond.
7) Balcony scene? No.
8) Everyone has an ending.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Well not everyone has an ending. Gimli: there was no talk of him going into fangorn or rebuilding the walls of Minas tirith, etc. None of that stuff was mentioned.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

From Frodo Baggins

1. Is Merry included at all in the Houses of Healing?
2. You said that the characters who benefitted were eomer, merry, pippin, and gandalf; do you feel sam and frodo benefitted also? Are they still the prominant story line in rotk? I'm kind of worried about this since you barely described any new scenes with them included....
3. What was your favorite new scene?
4. Are their any expansions after mt. doom that you did not cover in your review? (yes or no only please; i dont want to be spoiled!)

1) HoH is all about Eowyn and Faramir.
2) They are still prominant in the story. I don't think you can say they benefitted since they were already strong characters in the TC, the main edge that they got was that their journey was shown to be much more difficult.
3) Fav new scene? Definitley when the riders of rohan stop and water their horses and Eowyn has a conversation with Merry. It really established their friendship.
4) No.

[Cloud Buster]

Well not everyone has an ending. Gimli: there was no talk of him going into fangorn or rebuilding the walls of Minas tirith, etc. None of that stuff was mentioned.

So does this mean, JEDI, that Gimli sailing over the sea with Legolas was not mentioned?

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

So does this mean, JEDI, that Gimli sailing over the sea with Legolas was not mentioned?

Didn't hear it mentioned. Sorry.

[TheKing88]

Welcome back Jedi, dear friend. Since you say everyone has an end I would like to know if Galadriel has anything to do with the telling of these ends. Also does the title sequence still remain at Isengard or does it move to the Crossroads? Once again, welcome back.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Welcome back Jedi, dear friend. Since you say everyone has an end I would like to know if Galadriel has anything to do with the telling of these ends. Also does the title sequence still remain at Isengard or does it move to the Crossroads? Once again, welcome back.

She just might or it could be Frodo. ;)

I remember it at the crossroads.

[TheKing88]

Thanx. Too bad December can't be the month that comes after August. By the way I can't wait to see what you and Brock are up to.

[Cloud Buster]

Cool to hear about the title. Since they've changed the title for the other two, and PJ says in one of the commentaries that he likes putting the title in a different spot for the EEs, I was wondering if they'd do it. I couldn't think of a spot for it though, but I didn't even consider the Crossroads!

[TheKing88]

I think the crossroads are a much better place to have it than Isengard. This looks to be the best EE of all.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Having a title in a different place, to me anyway, makes the EE's feel like totally new films.

Because once you start watching it, everythng is different, you are not fast forwarding through chapters to get to new scenes, you are watching it through to see what's new.

[TheKing88]

I agree 100%

[Cloud Buster]

Having a title in a different place, to me anyway, makes the EE's feel like totally new films.

Because once you start watching it, everythng is different, you are not fast forwarding through chapters to get to new scenes, you are watching it through to see what's new.

I think that's pretty much why PJ said he enjoyed doing it, and I completely agree.

[stevev]

Did they redo the cgi fish in deagol/smeagol part? (always found it to be the worst cgi of the trilogy :D )

Please can you tell me more about merry's sword?

[KenM]

Jedi, is there more to the drinking game scene then what was already posted online? In the clip I saw online, it ended right when Legoloas put the drink to his lips, but I wanted to see his reaction after he drank. I don't want to know what happened yet, but can you tell me if there is more to the scene?

[Lothenon]

Whatever happened to the ending, I seriously hope the movie still ends with "Well, I'm back."

[Nuke]

Couple of Questions for you Jedi...

1.) Can we get a straight up yes or no answer on the Epilogue. The way you've hinted at it so far can still mean other things :)

2.) Is the Witch King vs Eowyn Confrontation changed in any way? For example, is there more book dialogue to it?

3.) Is Witch King vs Eowyn Confrontation Scene redited so it's not split in half like in the TE cut?

4.) If so do the Corsairs arrive after the confrontation? Also, are they seen from a distance before cutting to the Aragorn money shot? Do we get to see reaction on both armies as the ships approach?

5.) Is the Ride Of The Rohirrim extended in anyway? Do we get to see the Gondor Soldiers reaction when they arrive and during/after the charge?

6.) Are there sequences or lines of dialogue that were "removed" from the EE that were in the TE, like the infamous "A Diversion" line perhaps?

7.) Is the rumored the Gandalf/Aragorn post Ring Destruction talk at Minas Tirith in the cut?

[Shagrat]

Thanks a lot Jedi. Sounds like we see some great Easterlings stuff then. The Gamling reply was interesting - if we don't see him die, and you are sure that he died, does that mean we see his body, perhaps when Eomer is looking for Theoden and finds his sister.

And the everyone has an ending comment - if Gimli doesn't, does that mean Legolas still sails over to Undying Lands? Seems odd if that's the case, and a bit disappointing.

Oh and I don't believe anyone has asked about the White Tree sail on the Corsair ships yet at the Pelennor. Is this in?

[OBSERVER]

Whatever happened to the ending, I seriously hope the movie still ends with "Well, I'm back."
You should count on that. The EE's do not change the very beginning or the very end. Yes, Fellowship's prologue was added to, but that was after a few minutes or so.

[kungfuhobbit]

cheers for answers Jedi, though, im gonna add some more to this infinite list.

1 is the troll Aragorn kills the same one that he battles in the TE?
-if no, is troll he kills normal size or smaller?
-if yes, is the shot of the troll running away removed?
2-does gandalf use any magic in the wiki fight?
3-does gandalf use any magic that wasnt in the TE anywhere else in the film?
4-any more shots of the Rohirrim fighting the orc army (before mumakils arrive)?
5-does saruman's staff get broken?
6-any shots of baradur earlier in the film?
7-is the falling, burning denethor scene still in?
8-even though Theoden doesnt kill the mumakil, is he portayed as being victorious against it? (weird question i know, but i want him to have a good battle moment before he dies!)
Thanks

[Mr. Blonde1]

One question if you don't mind Jedi. About "everyone has an ending". Is there footage of these endings or is it just a voice over from a certain 9 fingered hobbit or a certian elf queen.;) thanks for your time!

[arodir]

Whatever happened to the ending, I seriously hope the movie still ends with "Well, I'm back."

Yeah, I just wanted to ask that, too. Therefore:

What´s the last spoken word in the movie?

[fêa fleuz]

"BACK"

Pretty sure, arodir ;)

[fêa fleuz]

@JEDI_THE_WHITE:

Any shots of the Men of the West, walkin´ to Morannon? :rolleyes:

[Mr. Frodo]

jedi, i asked this before but maybe you missed it, what or where is the new gollum/sam confrontation.

[SilverGlass]

Many thanks to Jedi for the review and his answers.

Here I have some more question concerning Eomer: is there a "Brother-and-Sister" scene or moment between Éomer and Éowyn in the EE dvd?

Does Eomer appear in the "drinking game" scene?

Do we enjoy more Eomer moments at the House of Healing?

Is there an ending scene concerning him (his coronation as king of Rohan)?

Please, say yes to all my questions!

[Glordreen]

Thanks for the Review and the answers to our hoardes of Questions.

I have but one question. Is the scene lengthened in where the Men of the west travel to the Black Gate?

In the TC there wasnt much footage of. It showed them leaving, then the next shot was of them arriving.

[DarkPhoenix646]

I just have one question

When Saruman dies, does his spirit rise up from his body and look towards the West, and then he sighs and fades away?

[sueb1863]

Do we see Faramir wake up after Aragorn heals him? Does he say anything to Aragorn after he wakes up? If so, are they the lines he says in the book?

Thanks!

[Boro]

no more boromir? :waa:

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Did they redo the cgi fish in deagol/smeagol part? (always found it to be the worst cgi of the trilogy :D )

Please can you tell me more about merry's sword?


Fish was the same.

Merry's sword as you probably know used to belong to Theoden when he was a child. It's old and dull untill he gets it sharpened.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Jedi, is there more to the drinking game scene then what was already posted online? In the clip I saw online, it ended right when Legoloas put the drink to his lips, but I wanted to see his reaction after he drank. I don't want to know what happened yet, but can you tell me if there is more to the scene?

There is more.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Whatever happened to the ending, I seriously hope the movie still ends with "Well, I'm back."

It's still there.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Couple of Questions for you Jedi...

1.) Can we get a straight up yes or no answer on the Epilogue. The way you've hinted at it so far can still mean other things :)

2.) Is the Witch King vs Eowyn Confrontation changed in any way? For example, is there more book dialogue to it?

3.) Is Witch King vs Eowyn Confrontation Scene redited so it's not split in half like in the TE cut?

4.) If so do the Corsairs arrive after the confrontation? Also, are they seen from a distance before cutting to the Aragorn money shot? Do we get to see reaction on both armies as the ships approach?

5.) Is the Ride Of The Rohirrim extended in anyway? Do we get to see the Gondor Soldiers reaction when they arrive and during/after the charge?

6.) Are there sequences or lines of dialogue that were "removed" from the EE that were in the TE, like the infamous "A Diversion" line perhaps?

7.) Is the rumored the Gandalf/Aragorn post Ring Destruction talk at Minas Tirith in the cut?


1) Yes. But YES could mean other things also. :)

2) No change.

3) I remember still cutting to the corsairs when she got knocked down, not knocked down but after the Wiki did that "premature victory dance" where he raised his arms like he was "WITCHKING of the World. "

5) No.

6) No. Diversion is still there.

7) Post ring discussion? No.

[DarkPhoenix646]

Jedi, is there more to the drinking game scene then what was already posted online? In the clip I saw online, it ended right when Legoloas put the drink to his lips, but I wanted to see his reaction after he drank. I don't want to know what happened yet, but can you tell me if there is more to the scene?



One reason I'm not gonna like this scene is because it makes it look like Legolas is totally naive to alchol... if you people actually read the Hobbit you'd know the Mirkwood Elves are totaly drunks, thats how Bilbo escaped with the Dwarves with the barrels and whatnot....

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Thanks a lot Jedi. Sounds like we see some great Easterlings stuff then. The Gamling reply was interesting - if we don't see him die, and you are sure that he died, does that mean we see his body, perhaps when Eomer is looking for Theoden and finds his sister.

And the everyone has an ending comment - if Gimli doesn't, does that mean Legolas still sails over to Undying Lands? Seems odd if that's the case, and a bit disappointing.

Oh and I don't believe anyone has asked about the White Tree sail on the Corsair ships yet at the Pelennor. Is this in?


I didn't see his body. Since he was not at the black gate he must have died.

Yeah, never heard the sea calling for Legolas as it was put in book.

I didn't even look for that scene. I know exactly what you are talking about, the cinefex magazine talked about that one, the flag unfurling as they entered the harbor. I would be guessing here, but I want to say yes.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

One reason I'm not gonna like this scene is because it makes it look like Legolas is totally naive to alchol... if you people actually read the Hobbit you'd know the Mirkwood Elves are totaly drunks, thats how Bilbo escaped with the Dwarves with the barrels and whatnot....

I don't think the scene really meant to show a different side of the mirkwood elves, but more to show how the friendship between Gimli and Legolas is really begining to blossom.

[fineus fog]

Did you get to see the EE at the new and very plush Park Road Post?

[Lurtz_2000]

is there more parts of men of the west marching to the black gates?

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

cheers for answers Jedi, though, im gonna add some more to this infinite list.

1 is the troll Aragorn kills the same one that he battles in the TE?
-if no, is troll he kills normal size or smaller?
-if yes, is the shot of the troll running away removed?
2-does gandalf use any magic in the wiki fight?
3-does gandalf use any magic that wasnt in the TE anywhere else in the film?
4-any more shots of the Rohirrim fighting the orc army (before mumakils arrive)?
5-does saruman's staff get broken?
6-any shots of baradur earlier in the film?
7-is the falling, burning denethor scene still in?
8-even though Theoden doesnt kill the mumakil, is he portayed as being victorious against it? (weird question i know, but i want him to have a good battle moment before he dies!)
Thanks

1) He doesn't kill the troll. it runs away just as in the TC.
2) He tries. I would give an A for effort.
3) No, uses his staff to block and knocks orcs off balance and lots of swordplay.
4) Plenty
5) We are under the impression it is broken
6) Not that I recall
7) Yes.
8) He has some good moments before the wiki gets him.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

@JEDI_THE_WHITE:

Any shots of the Men of the West, walkin´ to Morannon? :rolleyes:


Yeah.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

jedi, i asked this before but maybe you missed it, what or where is the new gollum/sam confrontation.

Just another distrusting Gollum confrontaion. Nothing major.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Many thanks to Jedi for the review and his answers.

Here I have some more question concerning Eomer: is there a "Brother-and-Sister" scene or moment between Éomer and Éowyn in the EE dvd?

Does Eomer appear in the "drinking game" scene?

Do we enjoy more Eomer moments at the House of Healing?

Is there an ending scene concerning him (his coronation as king of Rohan)?

Please, say yes to all my questions!


1)The brother and sister moment that is referred to in all those documentaries, is just the look you see Eomer give Eowyn when Theoden says "And Rohan will answer." That is the "brother and sister moment."

2)No.

3)Yeah, tender moments.

4) No coronation for Eomer.

[Lurtz_2000]

is there any gollum transformations or deagol river parts added?

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Thanks for the Review and the answers to our hoardes of Questions.

I have but one question. Is the scene lengthened in where the Men of the west travel to the Black Gate?

In the TC there wasnt much footage of. It showed them leaving, then the next shot was of them arriving.

Yeah.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

I just have one question

When Saruman dies, does his spirit rise up from his body and look towards the West, and then he sighs and fades away?

No.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Do we see Faramir wake up after Aragorn heals him? Does he say anything to Aragorn after he wakes up? If so, are they the lines he says in the book?

Thanks!


Yeah he speaks. Sure sounded like they were from the book.


One things about that scene is that when you watch it, it reminds at least me of the scene where Aragorn was trying to save Boromir, Boromir chose to die, then now you flash forward to HoH here is Aragorn again in a similair position with the younger brother Faramir.

It really is something amazing to watch.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

no more boromir? :waa:

He's talked about. :)


That's better than nothing.

[Piisku [FIN]]

Was there any scene you would have liked to be left out?
And concerning March of the Men of the West... Do they see the statue of the ancient king?

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

']Was there any scene you would have liked to be left out?

I'd have to see it a few more times to decide something like that.

[New_Breed]

hey Jedi, do you know that part in the TC where gandalf tells pip of the harad and corsairs and it shows little snippets of the oliphants and ships (where PJ'S cameo is), are the easterlings added in there too now? thanx a bunch.

[KenM]

One reason I'm not gonna like this scene is because it makes it look like Legolas is totally naive to alchol... if you people actually read the Hobbit you'd know the Mirkwood Elves are totaly drunks, thats how Bilbo escaped with the Dwarves with the barrels and whatnot....

I'm hoping the scene will have the dwarf looking better then the pretty boy elf for a change. ;)

[kungfuhobbit]

Thanks for answers, though this confused me:
A-He doesn't kill the troll. it runs away just as in the TC
because i read one of Indrid's questions:
Q.What about the troll? Will Aragorn kill one? Will Pippin kill one? Will both kill one?
A.Just Aragorn
Has it been typed up with the word "kill" instead of "fight" i wonder? Grateful if you could clear up
And in reference to this:
Q.Does gandalf use any magic in the wiki fight?
A.He tries. I would give an A for effort.
-is this a yes, ie. do we see an FX shot from gandalf, however minor?

[SilverGlass]

1)The brother and sister moment that is referred to in all those documentaries, is just the look you see Eomer give Eowyn when Theoden says "And Rohan will answer." That is the "brother and sister moment."

2)No.

3)Yeah, tender moments.

4) No coronation for Eomer.

Thank you so much for your time to answer my doubts.

But only answer num. 3 is comforting. No more Eomer = :waa: :waa: :waa:

[sueb1863]

Thanks for the answer, Jedi! Just a few more:

How was the Ring discussion scene between Faramir and Denethor? Do we ever find out why he released Sam and Frodo? How did the part where Denethor falls down come off-dramatic or silly-looking? And where does this scene take place in the narrative?

And did you see anything that you feel will really take everyone by surprise and knock us for a loop?

boromir-pso, I'm with you! I read at least four different Comic-Con reports stating firmly that Boromir was in the preview footage and would be in the EE. I don't get why they would show him in the preview if he wasn't in the film. Smacks of false advertising to me!

Thanks, Jedi!

Sue :)

[Elf Lady]

Thanks for taking the time to answer all these questions Jedi!

My questions, you mentioned the Paths of the Dead was extended. Approximately how much longer was this scene? Legolas' dialogue to Aragorn, did it consist of Legolas telling what he knows of the Dead or more of his elf senses tingling?

[flukeman]

Just one question for you Jedi, and it’s not even specific - do you feel that all the additions give more importance to the emotional storyline or pretty much just add more action? Or a little of both?

Thanks for all your time :)

[PsYkOoOoO]

From the trend of the last 2 EEs,i think its gonna be both.:)

[Echo_7]

Hi Jedi,
Glad you had a good trip and a safe return.

I only have one question about the EE. How much more time does Aragorn get durring the battles?

I was a little disapointed that we did not get to see him fight that much in the TE, and when we did, he was losing to the Troll. In the book, Tolkien has a line that pretty much says that Aragorn and Eomer were the biggest Bad @$$es, but we don't really see that in the TE.

[Wyn]

Hi Jedi thanks for answering my post in the other post.

From what u said is the coronation scene extended at all?? Or is *the wedding* what we have already seen??

Thanks :)

[stevev]

Fish was the same.

Merry's sword as you probably know used to belong to Theoden when he was a child. It's old and dull untill he gets it sharpened.

Is it said in the EE that it's theoden's sword? Do they explain where it comes from or how merry got it?

[sueb1863]

Oops, forgot to ask-

Is it stated anywhere in the EE that Faramir is made Steward of Gondor or Prince of Ithilien? His costume at Comic-Con had a silver crown with it which he doesn't wear in the TE, just wondered if it fit into the movie anwhere. Also, he's called Prince of Ithilien on the ToyBiz Coronation Pack box, so I'm hoping he gets that title, at least.

Thanks!

Sue :)

[Helmshammer85]

Does Aragorn kill a troll at the Black Gates?

I know he fights with one in the Theatrical Cut, and nearly gets crushed to death. But the LOTR: Weapons & Warfare states he KILLS a troll?

If I remember correctly, the book mentions that the Men of the West were confronted by several trolls along with thousands of orcs....maybe PJ took note of this.

[Glordreen]

Thanks for all you cooperation with our impatience Jedi.

[ddel54]

hey Jedi i would like to know if they show any easterlings at the Black Gate??

[mikehc69]

I was just wondering if we get a more appropriate farewell to Treebeard in the EE? Or at the very least any new dialogue from him before/during the VOS scene? Thanks alot.

[stargoddess]

Thanks jedi for all the answers to the questions.
Here are a few i posted earlier and want answers to:
1. is there anything to do with weddings?
2. is the Aragorn/Arwen scene longer?

[darthspielberg]

I wish to appologize to everybody here in this thread about my cursing and anger the other day. I wish to say that i was in a very bad mood last week, for whatever reason, and I took it out on the newbie and haters of THE VILLAGE. Go figure.

Sorry.

:)

DS

[Lurtz_2000]

is there more shots of the boulders hitting things in the catapaulting part?

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Thanks for answers, though this confused me:
A-He doesn't kill the troll. it runs away just as in the TC
because i read one of Indrid's questions:
Q.What about the troll? Will Aragorn kill one? Will Pippin kill one? Will both kill one?
A.Just Aragorn
Has it been typed up with the word "kill" instead of "fight" i wonder? Grateful if you could clear up
And in reference to this:
Q.Does gandalf use any magic in the wiki fight?
A.He tries. I would give an A for effort.
-is this a yes, ie. do we see an FX shot from gandalf, however minor?


Well Indrid is still working on his english so sometimes when I read his questions, I see one thing when he is asking another.

Aragorn does not kill the troll he just fights it like before and it runs off

Yeah. Minor.

[Boro]

"boromir-pso, I'm with you! I read at least four different Comic-Con reports stating firmly that Boromir was in the preview footage and would be in the EE. I don't get why they would show him in the preview if he wasn't in the film. Smacks of false advertising to me!"


it makes me wonder how much pipeweed they are smoking when they dont add any more boromir footage to the film...

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Thanks for the answer, Jedi! Just a few more:

How was the Ring discussion scene between Faramir and Denethor? Do we ever find out why he released Sam and Frodo? How did the part where Denethor falls down come off-dramatic or silly-looking? And where does this scene take place in the narrative?

And did you see anything that you feel will really take everyone by surprise and knock us for a loop?



Thanks, Jedi!

Sue :)

Yes we do find out. It was a little funny, but you have to get your mind around what kind of person Denethor is, he is the type that would freak out about something like this. The whole losing balance takes place as Denethor meets with Faramir, first Denethor doesn't want to speak with Faramir, then they start talking about the ring, then Faramir breaks the news that he had the Frodo who has the ring and that he let him go.

Suprise? Not really. I guess the taking over the black ships could be one because there are some cameos in there and it is kind of funny when you watch it. It's a cool scene, it is a little funny to see crew members taking on cast members.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Thanks for taking the time to answer all these questions Jedi!

My questions, you mentioned the Paths of the Dead was extended. Approximately how much longer was this scene? Legolas' dialogue to Aragorn, did it consist of Legolas telling what he knows of the Dead or more of his elf senses tingling?


A good 5 or 6 minutes longer. Legolas dialogue consisted of him sensing evil around then when they get out of the POTD, I believe it was Legolas who said "the dead have been summoned."

[cedyboy]

1.) is there a scene between Sam and the Watchers at the Cirith Ungol gate?
2.) is the Mordor sky edited so its darker?
3.) is the sky at the Battle of Pelennor Fields darker?
4.) how much new battle scenes are added to the Siege of Gondor and the Battle of Pelennor Fields?
5.) do we actually see Aragorn and Co. fight and kill the Corsairs?
6.) is there a better progression of how Frodo continues to grow weaker as he walks through Mordor?
7.) is the ending different? (i.e. epilogue of such)
8.) is there a scene during the Men of the West's journey to the Black Gate?
9.) do we get a much longer break between the Battle of Pelennor Fields and the Battle at the Black Gate?
10.) is there extended fighting between the orcs at Cirith Ungol?

i know thats asking a lot but I would be satisfied with one-word answers. Thank you Jedi

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Just one question for you Jedi, and it’s not even specific - do you feel that all the additions give more importance to the emotional storyline or pretty much just add more action? Or a little of both?

Thanks for all your time :)


Emotional. To me at least. The action is cool, but the emotion is the high of the film.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Hi Jedi,
Glad you had a good trip and a safe return.

I only have one question about the EE. How much more time does Aragorn get durring the battles?

I was a little disapointed that we did not get to see him fight that much in the TE, and when we did, he was losing to the Troll. In the book, Tolkien has a line that pretty much says that Aragorn and Eomer were the biggest Bad @$$es, but we don't really see that in the TE.

Good stuff. He has some great little sequences. More than in the TC.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Hi Jedi thanks for answering my post in the other post.

From what u said is the coronation scene extended at all?? Or is *the wedding* what we have already seen??

Thanks :)


No. The coronation is the same.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Is it said in the EE that it's theoden's sword? Do they explain where it comes from or how merry got it?

Yeah. Just not the armor I don't think was explained.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Oops, forgot to ask-

Is it stated anywhere in the EE that Faramir is made Steward of Gondor or Prince of Ithilien? His costume at Comic-Con had a silver crown with it which he doesn't wear in the TE, just wondered if it fit into the movie anwhere. Also, he's called Prince of Ithilien on the ToyBiz Coronation Pack box, so I'm hoping he gets that title, at least.

Thanks!

Sue :)

Yeah. In fact in the HoH, I remember they referred to Faramir as "Lord Faramir."

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Does Aragorn kill a troll at the Black Gates?

I know he fights with one in the Theatrical Cut, and nearly gets crushed to death. But the LOTR: Weapons & Warfare states he KILLS a troll?

If I remember correctly, the book mentions that the Men of the West were confronted by several trolls along with thousands of orcs....maybe PJ took note of this.

The troll he fights still runs off when the ring is destroyed.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

hey Jedi i would like to know if they show any easterlings at the Black Gate??

Just orcs.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

I was just wondering if we get a more appropriate farewell to Treebeard in the EE? Or at the very least any new dialogue from him before/during the VOS scene? Thanks alot.

No. Treebeard still has that small part.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Thanks jedi for all the answers to the questions.
Here are a few i posted earlier and want answers to:
1. is there anything to do with weddings?
2. is the Aragorn/Arwen scene longer?

1) Yes.
2) No.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

is there more shots of the boulders hitting things in the catapaulting part?


There is some new stuff.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

1.) is there a scene between Sam and the Watchers at the Cirith Ungol gate?
2.) is the Mordor sky edited so its darker?
3.) is the sky at the Battle of Pelennor Fields darker?
4.) how much new battle scenes are added to the Siege of Gondor and the Battle of Pelennor Fields?
5.) do we actually see Aragorn and Co. fight and kill the Corsairs?
6.) is there a better progression of how Frodo continues to grow weaker as he walks through Mordor?
7.) is the ending different? (i.e. epilogue of such)
8.) is there a scene during the Men of the West's journey to the Black Gate?
9.) do we get a much longer break between the Battle of Pelennor Fields and the Battle at the Black Gate?
10.) is there extended fighting between the orcs at Cirith Ungol?

i know thats asking a lot but I would be satisfied with one-word answers. Thank you Jedi

1) I thought they let out a scream before Sam entered, but now I am doubting and thinking it was just an orc scream.
2) Still has that greyish feel to it.
3) No
4) Lots. Stuff with the orcs, stuff with the Harad. Lots
5) Yeah.
6) Yes.
7) There is a difference.
8) If your asking if it was intercut with something. Yes.
9) Yes. With HoH and Last debate and the march with the orcs and Frodo and Sam. It allows for a nice break.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Ok after talking with everyone, it has been decided that will be it for the QnA and we will let the dvd speak for itself.

[eclipsedman]

Thanks for the info. Jedi.

[loyis7]

Thanks for everything Jedi . You're the best . ;)

[New_Breed]

i guess my question wasn't that important :( o well we can't expect you to do everything i suppose.

[PsYkOoOoO]

Just look at the amount of questions man.Its easy to miss out something.

I just want to know if Christopher Lee is back in the credits.

[New_Breed]

i know and i completly understand, its not like jedi hasn't done enough for us anyways.

[The Red Avenger]

Not so much a question but more a clarification.

In the In the TC:

Pippin is thrown out by Denethor
We cut to Gothmog saying "Enter the city, leave no one alive"
Then a harrowing shot of the city being overrun by orcs and trolls.
Pippin searching for Gandalf
Gandalf (unseen) shouting "Fight for your lives"
He is then distracted by the Horns of the Rohirrim and so is Gothmog.
We then get the magnifecent Ride of the Rohirrim which cuts to...
Pippin finding Gandalf and telling him Denethor has lost his mind.
Gandalf gets Pippin up and they go
Cut to the rest of the Rohirrim trampling and fighting orcs.
Then back to the tombs.

Now correct me if I am wrong but surely if the Wiki is distracted by the horns during his fight with Gandalf then Pippin finding Gandalf must be inserted before the Rohirrim show up.

Yes? Otherwise the Wiki cannot be distracted by the arrival of the rohirrim as they would already have arrived.

Like I said just a clarification.

Is the order changed so Pippin finds Gandalf first before the Rohirrim show up?
...
RA

[fineus fog]

thanx foe all the FACTS Jedi

[kungfuhobbit]

Thankyou Jedi

[kungfuhobbit]

Yes? Otherwise the Wiki cannot be distracted by the arrival of the rohirrim as they would already have arrived.

-I'm pretty sure you're right-many people on the boards have said this is how it will happen, and it also happens like this in the books. After gandalf says "fight to the last man, fight for your lives" it no longer cuts to the horns but gandalf instead turns round to see pippin. They ride to save faramir, but meet the wiki. The horns and rohan's arrival interrupt their fight.
I think you gotta be right cos theres no other way they could do it really.

[redxavier]

Hmmm... is there actually anything specific you can tell us?

I asked in the other thread (before this was created) whether you were holding back information, or if there were any real surprises. But it seems either that you're just teasing, that you've the memory of a fish, that the EE doesn't have additions we don't know about, or that you quite simply haven't seen the EE. Why? Because there's nothing specific that you've told us that wasn't already known. Almost all the new bits of information were seen in the ComicCon footage... and there's far too many 'I think' or 'I remember' bits before any quasi-new statements for them to be considered credible, and far too often do you just answer in vague terms.

Therefore I ask again. What's the deal? Are you withholding information for our benefit, in which case why bother with all this Q&A in the first place? Heck, I could have given the same answers you've been dishing out. If you set up a thread such as this, you've got to be prepared to answer the questions. I doubt a single poster who has asked a question knows anymore that they did before.

[PsYkOoOoO]

:nono:

Thats not the way to speak to an elder,new one.

[redxavier]

:nono:

Thats not the way to speak to an elder,new one.

And I could do without the patronising remarks 'elder'.

But can you honestly say that Jedi has told us anything new? People here want specifics, they don't want cryptic responses. They hunger for information, confirmations, dialogue, new shots etc. Sure they might be spoiling the EE for themselves, but if Jedi wanted to protect us from ourselves, why bother with a Q&A thread in the first place?

[PsYkOoOoO]

Well,i understand your concerns.But then again,if you joined us a little earlier before the TTT EE came out,you wouldve known the credibility of Jedi.Yes,he did tell us new stuff about the ROTK EE.I cant remember any specific though,too lazy to read it again.But the bit about Witch King calling Gandalf an "Old Fool" was not shown in the ComicCon footage.Thats one off the top of my head anyway.Oh,and the scene with Sam and Frodo escaping from the line of Orcs,followed by Sam telling Frodo about the star in the sky.Yes we know that this 2 scenes exists,but i for one didnt know they happen consecutively.Also,you dont seriously expect somebody to remember every little detail from the EE after the first viewing right.It is inevitable to have a few "I think" and "I remember" here and there.

[Mr. Blonde1]

I just want to know if Christopher Lee is back in the credits.


Yeah i was wondering about that myself... they should add Brad D. to and maybe Bruce Hopkins.

[PsYkOoOoO]

Maybe not Bruce Hopkins.But i really want to see Brad Dourif and Christopher Lee in it.

[Mr. Blonde1]

i agree :) Chris especially deserves a cool sketch.

[Echo_7]

Good stuff. He has some great little sequences. More than in the TC.

Thanks for the answer! :D

[flukeman]

Emotional. To me at least. The action is cool, but the emotion is the high of the film.

Awesome :) Thanks Jedi.

[redxavier]

Also,you dont seriously expect somebody to remember every little detail from the EE after the first viewing right.It is inevitable to have a few "I think" and "I remember" here and there.

Actually I do! :)

Jedi has been an instrumental member of these forums for many years, of this I was well aware as I've been around to see it for myself (registration dates are misleading... I was here before he came out with his TTTEE report). I doubt not his integrity, but his motives. It all seems a bit teasing and attention grabbing, giving vague answers to some pretty specific questions, as if Jedi is savouring his 'special' knowledge and mocking us. If Jedi would rather keep things quiet (until Friday) then I wish he would say so. No-one would hold it against him.

I apologise for offending anyone, as people here are clearly enamoured of Jedi. I suppose I just seek some assurance that I'm not being led on a wild goose chase (fun though it may be for the moment).

(I'm also sorry for writing this as if Jedi isn't reading)

[darthspielberg]

would some mod please close this thread? I am sick of people coming here from TORC and bashing on JEDI, redaxavier is an execption, as at least he is being nice. This is just getting old. as JEDI said, the dvd will speak for itself...and when it comes out and everything JEDI said is true, I will wear a smirk on my face as I register over at TORC. no, Just Kidding. No stooping down to their level.

DS

[fattybolger]

Actually I do! :)

Jedi has been an instrumental member of these forums for many years, of this I was well aware as I've been around to see it for myself (registration dates are misleading... I was here before he came out with his TTTEE report). I doubt not his integrity, but his motives. It all seems a bit teasing and attention grabbing, giving vague answers to some pretty specific questions, as if Jedi is savouring his 'special' knowledge and mocking us. If Jedi would rather keep things quiet (until Friday) then I wish he would say so. No-one would hold it against him.

I apologise for offending anyone, as people here are clearly enamoured of Jedi. I suppose I just seek some assurance that I'm not being led on a wild goose chase (fun though it may be for the moment).

(I'm also sorry for writing this as if Jedi isn't reading)

IMHO he can't give you any more assurance than he has...and to accuse him of "mocking" us seems so wrong :nono: !

It is you who seems to attribute to Jedi superhuman qualities...I have roundtripped it overseas several times and know the effects of jetlag intimately :D also viewing or reading anything once and reporting anything in detail is an arduous task...

But the biggie is...HE GAVE US WHAT WE ASKED FOR!!!Many didnt want a bunch of spoilers...just an appetizer for the big event, when we get to behold PJ"S work with our own eyes! :applaud:

Pardon my passion, but TOR-whatever has torqued me off! :angry:

[PsYkOoOoO]

would some mod please close this thread? I am sick of people coming here from TORC and bashing on JEDI, redaxavier is an execption, as at least he is being nice. This is just getting old. as JEDI said, the dvd will speak for itself...and when it comes out and everything JEDI said is true, I will wear a smirk on my face as I register over at TORC. no, Just Kidding. No stooping down to their level.

DS

Who's from TORC?

[darthspielberg]

a bunch of the newbies how have been giving JEDI crap over there and they decided to crash the party.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Hmmm... is there actually anything specific you can tell us?

I asked in the other thread (before this was created) whether you were holding back information, or if there were any real surprises. But it seems either that you're just teasing, that you've the memory of a fish, that the EE doesn't have additions we don't know about, or that you quite simply haven't seen the EE. Why? Because there's nothing specific that you've told us that wasn't already known. Almost all the new bits of information were seen in the ComicCon footage... and there's far too many 'I think' or 'I remember' bits before any quasi-new statements for them to be considered credible, and far too often do you just answer in vague terms.

Therefore I ask again. What's the deal? Are you withholding information for our benefit, in which case why bother with all this Q&A in the first place? Heck, I could have given the same answers you've been dishing out. If you set up a thread such as this, you've got to be prepared to answer the questions. I doubt a single poster who has asked a question knows anymore that they did before.

Sorry RA, didn't see this over there. Once I saw this thread I spent all the time over here. :)

No, I just held back in the report. In here is where I was going to go all out. Well maybe hold back a few things.


And Psk, Christopher Lee and Brad Douriff are in the credits.

But no Sala Baker? What? I didn't see him in the TC credits either and they showed Sauron in that flashback.

[Mr. Frodo]

maybe they forgot :eek:
but glad to hear CL and BD got back in the credits

[The Red Avenger]

Jedi, that wasn't me, I was the poor bastard who passed on your news to TORC and Imladris but some of the TORCers now think I'm you and I've been getting grief for it.
...
RA

[Melkors_Servant]

Did Jedi mention anything about the Witch King seeing any other action than the confrontation w/ Gandalf? I'd love to see him using his mace to toss some Gondorian's around or swooping down a little more. Any word? Thanks

[Macca_UK]

Jedi,

Much appreciation for all your work here and I hope you had a really good trip. I know you've officially finished the Q&A but I asked a question in the first few pages that I *really* want to know the answer to. You must have missed it with all your answering! Since Denethor's tomb is now shown to be in Rath Dinen behind the citadel, does he still jump off the cliff? This is the most important question for me as it is the only part of RotK I dislike, and if it will spoil my first watching of the EE if I go in hoping they've changed it and it's the same. Can you either confirm my hopes or give me chance to get used to it before the EE comes out?

[thewickedchild]

I believe he mentioned elsewhere that it was still the same... you'd have to search for it though. If not here, at Indrid's site.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Jedi, that wasn't me, I was the poor bastard who passed on your news to TORC and Imladris but some of the TORCers now think I'm you and I've been getting grief for it.
...
RA


You are totally cool, RA.

I'm sorry they think you are me. I just you don't start getting hate pm's and threats like I am getting.


Even if you do, I wouldn't worry about them. There actually quite funny when you read them. "Lotr style threats," very interesting. :D

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Did Jedi mention anything about the Witch King seeing any other action than the confrontation w/ Gandalf? I'd love to see him using his mace to toss some Gondorian's around or swooping down a little more. Any word? Thanks

Just more aerial assaults.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Jedi,

Much appreciation for all your work here and I hope you had a really good trip. I know you've officially finished the Q&A but I asked a question in the first few pages that I *really* want to know the answer to. You must have missed it with all your answering! Since Denethor's tomb is now shown to be in Rath Dinen behind the citadel, does he still jump off the cliff? This is the most important question for me as it is the only part of RotK I dislike, and if it will spoil my first watching of the EE if I go in hoping they've changed it and it's the same. Can you either confirm my hopes or give me chance to get used to it before the EE comes out?


Still there.


Ok that was it.


*in best chief wiggum voice*

This interview is over. ;)

[Turin Turambar]

Being cynical is neither Sad nor Pathetic, it is more preferable than going through life being oblivious to things and thinking things are sweeter than they truely are.

This may already be a dead issue, but when I saw this quote I had to comment.

CYNICISM is both SAD and PATHETIC. Having a healthy SKEPTICISM about life and events is what we should all hope to have. When you become cynical, everything turns to **** because you just know it will. When you are skeptical, you keep your doubts and guard first impressions until you can think about the facts first--don't automatically believe something.

Now maybe DjU meant to say skeptic instead of cynic and I'm just being an ass. Who knows? I felt the clarification was needed.

If there are any true cynics out there, I pity your outlook on life.

[DjU]

Yes I probably did mean SKEPTICISM instead of CYNICISM. I used CYNICISM, as it was the word being knocked around the court by others.

Indeed having a healthy amount of both Skepticism & Cynicism is good for you; it stops you getting carried away. I am in no ways “A cynic” I was merely *being* cynical.

[Frodo Baggins]

Jedi, i'm not sure if this was answered yet, but does liv tyler sing?

[fineus fog]

the QnA is over apparently!!!

[LordofKings]

I can't believe what I have been readin in here.

Jedi_The_White has been kind enough to take time out of his "Life", which some of us here have, to answer Countless questions, which He doesn't even have to answer, yet he still does.

To bad mouth him or question him, because he didn't answer your questions as specific as you wanted him to, or as clearly as you would have life, is pathetic. Look how many questions he's been asked. I wouldn't give great detailed answers either.

This is sad what was going on in here.

Jedi: Some of us, like myself, can not thank you enough for the answers and info you have provided us. I know, everytime I PM you with a question, you always answer it without any sign of being upset by such questions being thrown at you. I am thankful for that. I know others on here respect you for what you do. Pay not the attention to WHOEVER questioned you. All in all, thankyou for everything you've given us here.