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Dogbert0228

07-08-2004, 04:17 PM

I loved the movie and bought it, but my one and only problem was the American arrogance behind it, which while not only totally historically inaccurrate, but just is plain stupid to think an American came over and saved the legacy of the Samurai for Japan... Maddox actually had a funny thing for this the other day...

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/lastsam_tot1.gif

jenna

07-08-2004, 04:25 PM

hahaha but what more can you expect from a Hollywood film? good bless 'em!
the movie was actually better than i thought it would be. i always think "tom cruise? pass" but when i'm watching him i remember that he really is a good actor.. nice scenery (that would be NZ and not Japan though right?!?!?!!) and pretty good fight sequences..

Glordreen

07-08-2004, 05:45 PM

I loved this movie. #2 all time on my list. (#1 is the LOTR trilogy)

Halofan1

07-08-2004, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by Dogbert0228
I loved the movie and bought it, but my one and only problem was the American arrogance behind it, which while not only totally historically inaccurrate, but just is plain stupid to think an American came over and saved the legacy of the Samurai for Japan... Maddox actually had a funny thing for this the other day...

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/lastsam_tot1.gif

I'm going to say it again, they were not referring to Algren as the Last Samurai.

Mat

07-08-2004, 06:21 PM

I really liked it, but the ending disappointed me.

B+

Dogbert0228

07-08-2004, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by Halofan1
I'm going to say it again, they were not referring to Algren as the Last Samurai.

It doesn't matter. It's the idea that they needed a dumb American to come in a help them save their culture that's insulting...

Drizzt240

07-08-2004, 07:02 PM

I liked it a lot and bought it. Very good movie.

jenna

07-08-2004, 07:15 PM

drizzt your avi is scary *shudder*

Drizzt240

07-08-2004, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by jenna
drizzt your avi is scary *shudder*

I find it hilarious. I couldn't stop laughing the first time I saw it.

jenna

07-08-2004, 07:35 PM

it's terrible. but i can't stop looking at it!

Antony

07-08-2004, 09:50 PM

The movie is great. And I love that avy.

beyond_th3

07-08-2004, 09:52 PM

yeah the last samurai was excellent.

gnarley

07-08-2004, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by Dogbert0228
It doesn't matter. It's the idea that they needed a dumb American to come in a help them save their culture that's insulting...

Same thing happened in Dances With Wolves which the Last samurai reminded me of but I stiil really liked the movie.

ProgramNeo

07-08-2004, 11:32 PM

I liked it, good movie.

rosncranz

07-09-2004, 01:33 AM

well as someone said he was not "the last samurai" but i dont think he was needed either, in fact if you actually watched the movie you would see that had nothing to do with it. it was a film, about a war torn place (japan) and a man (algren) who was sent there to take a rebel leader out (katsumoto) after getting his ass kicked algren is captured (and this is saving the country?) where he learns and admires the way of the samurai, he then fights with them to help savea way of life (not a country) and he only fights along side the man that saved the country--katsumoto. in my oppinion the best part of the story/dynamic is that katsumoto and algren are the same and they needed eachother to lead them to enlightenment, thats what they movie was about, any fool would know that...well obviously except dogbert.

Marv

07-09-2004, 03:24 AM

Originally posted by Dogbert0228
It doesn't matter. It's the idea that they needed a dumb American to come in a help them save their culture that's insulting...

Better Tom Cruise than the Ninja Turtles..........or is it?

JackBauer

07-09-2004, 04:58 AM

loved this movie. best film 2003 IMO

Marv

07-09-2004, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by gnarley
Same thing happened in Dances With Wolves which the Last samurai reminded me of but I stiil really liked the movie.

As a Native American I can actually say that there have been people outside the culture that actually did kinda what Kevin Costner's character did to an extent. There were people out there like that loved the culture.

dustindame

07-09-2004, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by Dracula
gee, you sure know how to bring up movies at the hight of thier popularity

I never see anybody do that around here.;) ;)

gnarley

07-09-2004, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by Marv
As a Native American I can actually say that there have been people outside the culture that actually did kinda what Kevin Costner's character did to an extent. There were people out there like that loved the culture.

I was comparing storylines between the 2 movies, they are very similiar. I know that movies use characters to introduce general audiences to the culture of the movie's subject as Dances With Wolves and The Last Samurai did. The viewer takes the same journey as the main character through his experiences in the movie.

Rizor

07-10-2004, 12:38 AM

It's a good and well staged film. It's also refreshing to see a battle scene in a recent film where the army ISN'T CGI.

I didn't think it was insulting to the Japanese. It respects the culture and only introduces the American to tell the story for an American audience. Algren didn't save the samurai. Though he fought for them, he isn't really a samurai which is shown at the end when he doesn't commit seppuku, something that sets him apart from the real samurai.

Also in regards to the title, I took it that the last samurai doesn't mean Algren but Katsumoto and his samurai (the word's also plural).

Marv

07-10-2004, 01:57 AM

Originally posted by gnarley
I was comparing storylines between the 2 movies, they are very similiar. I know that movies use characters to introduce general audiences to the culture of the movie's subject as Dances With Wolves and The Last Samurai did. The viewer takes the same journey as the main character through his experiences in the movie.

I was just going off who you quoted.

"It doesn't matter. It's the idea that they needed a dumb American to come in a help them save their culture that's insulting... "

then you said.......

"Same thing happened in Dances With Wolves which the Last samurai reminded me of but I stiil really liked the movie. "

Just sounded like you were making the comparison based off the idea of "insultion."

Tara

07-10-2004, 03:40 AM

I didn't like this movie, and my Japanese drama professor said that it was riddled with historical inaccuracies.

Plus, i dont think Tom Cruise is a talented actor. I fail to see his appeal.

JackBauer

07-10-2004, 07:57 AM

Originally posted by Rizor
It's a good and well staged film. It's also refreshing to see a battle scene in a recent film where the army ISN'T CGI.

I didn't think it was insulting to the Japanese. It respects the culture and only introduces the American to tell the story for an American audience. Algren didn't save the samurai. Though he fought for them, he isn't really a samurai which is shown at the end when he doesn't commit seppuku, something that sets him apart from the real samurai.

Also in regards to the title, I took it that the last samurai doesn't mean Algren but Katsumoto and his samurai (the word's also plural).

he's right in every point. and i agree with the army not beeing CGI, i love that this movie was so real and close. very authentic.

JackBauer

07-10-2004, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by Tara

Plus, i dont think Tom Cruise is a talented actor. I fail to see his appeal.

i think he's one of the best actors around. this man can act. even though he appears to be arrogant, he isn't i think. a man who understands his work. i loved him in MI1 and Minority Report, he realy is a believable actor. of course with his other/older movies he has proven that he's hollywoods best (i.e. Interview w/a Vampire etc.).

i love how he chose to play the villain in Collateral. he looks bad ass. check out the trailer for this movie. i believe this will be the underdog to beat any other suspenseful/thrilling movie this year. Tom Cruise rocks!

rosncranz

07-10-2004, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by JackBauer
i think he's one of the best actors around. this man can act. even though he appears to be arrogant, he isn't i think. a man who understands his work. i loved him in MI1 and Minority Report, he realy is a believable actor. of course with his other/older movies he has proven that he's hollywoods best (i.e. Interview w/a Vampire etc.).

i love how he chose to play the villain in Collateral. he looks bad ass. check out the trailer for this movie. i believe this will be the underdog to beat any other suspenseful/thrilling movie this year. Tom Cruise rocks!

i couldnt agree more!

Tara-there are not very many historical innacuracies in it at all actually, while certain areas do take liberties in story telling most of what happened really happened.

ProgramNeo

07-10-2004, 03:43 PM

07-10-2004, 06:22 PM

Don't forget Magnolia. Easily Cruise's best performance.

As for The Last Samurai, I really enjoyed it. Everything about the movie looks great, especially the landscapes and the village. The battles were wonderfully put together, despite Cruise's uncanny superhuman invincibility. Cruise was very good in this movie, but I think Watanabe's performance was the best of the film.

Xander

07-10-2004, 06:28 PM

I liked it, Tom shoulda gotten an nomination for it.

ProgramNeo

07-10-2004, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by Oj
Don't forget Magnolia. Easily Cruise's best performance.

As for The Last Samurai, I really enjoyed it. Everything about the movie looks great, especially the landscapes and the village. The battles were wonderfully put together, despite Cruise's uncanny superhuman invincibility. Cruise was very good in this movie, but I think Watanabe's performance was the best of the film.

I agree, Magnolia is one of my favorite movies. Hence the quote. :D

ProgramNeo

07-10-2004, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by Tara
I didn't like this movie, and my Japanese drama professor said that it was riddled with historical inaccuracies.

Plus, i dont think Tom Cruise is a talented actor. I fail to see his appeal.

Your professor may be right, but I doubt historical accuracy was the aim of the film. It's a movie, not history class.

JackBauer

07-11-2004, 06:10 AM

Originally posted by Xander2
I liked it, Tom shoulda gotten an nomination for it.

AFAIK Cruise was nominated for best actor. i'm sure about the Globes but not about the oscars..

rosncranz

07-11-2004, 05:30 PM

he didnt get nominated for last samurai, it didnt get nominated for anything except ken watanabe and a few minor ones, it got ripped off.

whoever said magnolia was cruises best performance is wrong IMO born on the fourth of july was his best.

gnarley

07-11-2004, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by Marv
I was just going off who you quoted.

"It doesn't matter. It's the idea that they needed a dumb American to come in a help them save their culture that's insulting... "

then you said.......

"Same thing happened in Dances With Wolves which the Last samurai reminded me of but I stiil really liked the movie. "

Just sounded like you were making the comparison based off the idea of "insultion."

OK... I should have expanded on my first post and explained more with what I wrote in my second post.