The Post "Fahrenheit 9/11" America

[premise]

Now that most people have seen this movie (and because of it's controversy, almost everyone has)...
How does it feel to live in a country fooled by it's leader?

Please save all non-constructive posts, especially about Michael Moore's "unbiased agenda."
He wouldn't have made this movie if there wasn't an agenda. If you are against it, then that's your agenda.

What matters is that the people who saw this movie, learned a lot of facts about things they weren't supposed to know.
No matter how it was presented, it is their choice whether they want to believe all, some or any of it.

[Boro]

i highly doubt that almost everyone has seen this movie. i'd be willing to be the majority of this country hasnt seen this movie.

[dustindame]

I havent, i went to see it and it was sold out.

[Fanible]

And since when is this something unheard of or new, our "country fooled by it's leader". If you could even call him our 'leader' anyway, considering how many advisors the president has.

[PsychoMike]

Fanible, Bush is our leader, he is the one who (is suppose to) make all the decissions. The president has advisors to advice him, not to make decisions for him.

premise, Not everybody hase seen this movie... more people saw spider-man 2 on opening day than saw Farenheit 9/11 all last weekend, I for one haven't seen either. As for you initial question I've known for along time the the country was being fooled by President Bush.

[Tornado]

I will not be seeing Farenheit 911. The only way I will ever see it if it comes to one of the premium movie channels, then I might.

[Marv]

Originally posted by premise
Now that most people have seen this movie (and because of it's controversy, almost everyone has)...
How does it feel to live in a country fooled by it's leader?

Please save all non-constructive posts, especially about Michael Moore's "unbiased agenda."
He wouldn't have made this movie if there wasn't an agenda. If you are against it, then that's your agenda.

What matters is that the people who saw this movie, learned a lot of facts about things they weren't supposed to know.
No matter how it was presented, it is their choice whether they want to believe all, some or any of it.

I've seen Moore's past films, they really serve nothing more than entertainment IMO.

This movie feeds off people that haven't paid any attention to the news. Afterall, Moore has established in interviews he believes Americans are stupid, so of course he's taking advantage in what he believes in. Nothing in this movie was new information or some new uncovered fact.

If someone just goes off this movie alone and one man's clever editing tricks to determine if they believe our leader has fooled us. Then they themselves have been fooled by Michael Moore.

[Mat]

Who should we believe? The press? The government? They feed off our fear for their own agendas.

Michael Moore said this but then is hypocritcal when he says there's one Oregon state trooper guarding miles of Oregon coast because of budget cuts.

I really don't know who to believe... do any of you?

[Oj]

Originally posted by Mat

Michael Moore said this but then is hypocritcal when he says there's one Oregon state trooper guarding miles of Oregon coast because of budget cuts.


That was meant to be an example of how the government isn't really throwing its weight into Homeland Security. It had nothing to do with striking fear in the hearts of the viewers.

[Mat]

Originally posted by Oj
That was meant to be an example of how the government isn't really throwing its weight into Homeland Security. It had nothing to do with striking fear in the hearts of the viewers.

I see your point, but even if there wasn't a "Homeland Security" there would still be a poorly funded State Trooper program in Oregon.

[Chuckles]

Originally posted by premise

How does it feel to live in a country fooled by it's leader?


I found that comment to be extremely insulting. You act like we all voted for him or something (Psst, much less than half of us did ;) ) or as if none of us knew.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Marv

This movie feeds off people that haven't paid any attention to the news. Afterall, Moore has established in interviews he believes Americans are stupid, so of course he's taking advantage in what he believes in. Nothing in this movie was new information or some new uncovered fact.


I totally agree.

[Kable24]

It all comes down to who's serving the biggest steaming pile of bull**** and who is eating it up. Seems like Michael Moore is serving a huge pile with extra dingleberrys and you're all filling up on it.

[Citizen Kane]

How so? Most of the info in the film, from what I've heard, is stuff we already know, the point of the film being to assemble it. Are you trying to suggest that most news stations and other media outlets in the United States of America are all lying more than the current administration has?

[Tony Montana]

Saying that its all is a lie is ridicilous. Some parts are true, some overreacting, but dont throw it all away just because you dont like some parts.

Marv, he was saying that educational level is much lower than in other countries, which is true on the average, but not that all americans are stupid which they of course are not.

[Marv]

I'm curious about the new film "Michael Moore Hates America." The trailer seemed pretty funny, but either way it'll be interesting to see what happens with the tables turned.

[smmrmoviesstink]

This movie feeds off people that haven't paid any attention to the news. Afterall, Moore has established in interviews he believes Americans are stupid, so of course he's taking advantage in what he believes in. Nothing in this movie was new information or some new uncovered fact.


Since when did they show nepaled little girls in iraq on the news. or telling you that saudia arabia owns 7% of america. me personally i dont watch the news but i read the paper everyday which is way more informative. anyways i think your wrong about saying moore puts stuff in his movies that are already been said on the news

[redman]

Originally posted by smmrmoviesstink
This movie feeds off people that haven't paid any attention to the news. Afterall, Moore has established in interviews he believes Americans are stupid, so of course he's taking advantage in what he believes in. Nothing in this movie was new information or some new uncovered fact.


Since when did they show nepaled little girls in iraq on the news. or telling you that saudia arabia owns 7% of america. me personally i dont watch the news but i read the paper everyday which is way more informative. anyways i think your wrong about saying moore puts stuff in his movies that are already been said on the news

is the paper really that much more informative or unbiased?

[premise]

Originally posted by Chuckles
I found that comment to be extremely insulting.
if you're not pro-bush, it shouldn't matter to you

[Chuckles]

Originally posted by premise
if you're not pro-bush, it shouldn't matter to you

I am sorry. You asked me how it felt to be in a country "fooled" by its leader and it seemed a lot like a personal attack on all Americans regardless of their political views.

[Marv]

Originally posted by smmrmoviesstink
This movie feeds off people that haven't paid any attention to the news. Afterall, Moore has established in interviews he believes Americans are stupid, so of course he's taking advantage in what he believes in. Nothing in this movie was new information or some new uncovered fact.


Since when did they show nepaled little girls in iraq on the news. or telling you that saudia arabia owns 7% of america. me personally i dont watch the news but i read the paper everyday which is way more informative. anyways i think your wrong about saying moore puts stuff in his movies that are already been said on the news

Don't have a clue what nepaled means, I'm assuming you meant napalmed. Either way, you really don't need the news to realize that their are innocent deaths over there in Iraq. I't's unfortunate, but that's just a part of war, has always been, and will continue to be in the future.

Everyone already knows America has always been associated with the Saudis.

When I say news, I mean every form of it. Not just the morning or evening news telecasts. Like I said, this movie feeds off people who don't really pay attention to the news.

[donald gregory]

"Fanible, Bush is our leader, he is the one who (is suppose to) make all the decissions. The president has advisors to advice him, not to make decisions for him. "

That's not entirely correct. The President is in charge of the Executive branch in government, and doesn't have nearly enough time to make every decision. It's a huge bureaucrasy. But I agree that sometimes the buck has to stop with him. Whether he made a certain decision or not, he's in charge and gets to take credit or blame.

[Tony Montana]

Originally posted by Marv
their are innocent deaths over there in Iraq. I't's unfortunate, but that's just a part of war, has always been, and will continue to be in the future.


Think again about this sentence...

[Marv]

Originally posted by Tony Montana
Think again about this sentence...

So are you trying to say there are no innocents killed during wars or what?

[Tony Montana]

Originally posted by Marv
So are you trying to say there are no innocents killed during wars or what?

No, Im saying that noone should die at all and only morons dont care about those people, because they are in their happy homes far away while those people are dying. How insane does anyone got to be to say something like "it happens" to death of someone??

War in the first place is wrong, this Iraq war is wrong. People are dying, terrorism is getting stronger because of whats happening in Iraq and many innocent people are dying because of those mistakes. It has to stop.

[Marv]

Originally posted by Tony Montana
No, Im saying that noone should die at all and only morons dont care about those people, because they are in their happy homes far away while those people are dying. How insane does anyone got to be to say something like "it happens" to death of someone??

War in the first place is wrong, this Iraq war is wrong. People are dying, terrorism is getting stronger because of whats happening in Iraq and many innocent people are dying because of those mistakes. It has to stop.

Thanks for pulling a Moore on me. Look closer at my statement before doing a personal attack on me......again.

<i>"Either way, you really don't need the news to realize that there are innocent deaths over there in Iraq. <b>It's unfortunate</b>, but that's just a part of war, has always been, and will continue to be in the future."</i>

What part of this says that I don't care? All I was doing is stating a fact. No need to take it completely out of context for your own agenda.

[Tony Montana]

There is no agenda and there is no understanding for death of anyone.

[secant]

edit - oops, got my handles mixed up.

premise, when you say "unconstructive posts" do you really mean "posts from people who disagree with me?"

[I Eat Cannibals]

Originally posted by Marv

This movie feeds off people that haven't paid any attention to the news. Afterall, Moore has established in interviews he believes Americans are stupid, so of course he's taking advantage in what he believes in. Nothing in this movie was new information or some new uncovered fact.
This is exactly what I've been telling everybody from the moment the first word got out that Disney was attempting to pull a censorship job on this film. I told everybody that if Disney had just laid off and allowed the movie to play as originally intended it would have still stirred the pot a little, but it would have NEVER become the sensation it has, because you just don't tell AMERICANS what they can and can't see, hear or say when they've got the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution backing them up!

As I've revealed early on, I had never seen a Michael Moore film and, likewise, had absolutely no interest in seeing this one, because I knew that almost everything presented in it was information I had already learned and researched from the news & various investigative reports. But if so many people were running scared trying to stop this film even before the first trailer showed, then I figured it was worth attending.

Kerry is a wuss, and will NEVER get elected, no matter how badly this current administration behaves (and you can "date stamp" this statement to pull back up for future reference), but Bush will definitely not be getting a "free ride" back into the White House after more and more "Republican" types have defected from him as a result of this film... as a result of Rush Limbaugh's hypocrisy surrounding his drug-bust related legal woes... as a result of former Republican-supporting entertainer Howard Stern lambasting Bush and pushing his audience to support John Kerry... as a result of the establishment of the new "Liberal Talk Radio" network ("Air America Radio")... as a result of the endless death and slaughter of young American troops in Iraq (with no exit strategy in sight)... as a result of this administration's continuous "cover ups" and suppressions of the "9/11 Commission"... etc., etc., etc.

[I Eat Cannibals]

Originally posted by Mat
Who should we believe? The press? The government? They feed off our fear for their own agendas.

Michael Moore said this but then is hypocritcal when he says there's one Oregon state trooper guarding miles of Oregon coast because of budget cuts.

I really don't know who to believe... do any of you?
I thought this was an odd inclusion myself. On the one hand the guy faults the Bush Regime for instilling fear and terror in the hearts of the masses, then he himself focuses on the Oregon coastline to instill fear and terror in the hearts of the masses.

But I thought about it... tried to think about it from "Michael Moore's" 'point-of-logic'... and came to finally understand that there was, in fact, no contradiction.

Michael Moore is, in essence, saying (primarily to the "Republicans" in attendance, but also to anyone else who may be genuinely concerned about national threat assessments) that IF you are GENUINELY concerned about threats and foreign terrorist attacks occurring in this country, then you should be concerned about this unguarded-- and UNFUNDED --point of entry into the United States where just ANYBODY can enter unchallenged!!! He's telling the audience of those who are really concerned and worried that G.W. Bush's so-called "Homeland Defense" is a SHAM ... because he's not funding it properly and he's leaving a lot of territory unguarded!

That's the point he's obviously trying to make here: He's not "preaching to the choir" who've already come to hear his message ... he's preaching on a "soapbox" to the largely disinterested and/or unenlightened masses.