The Hobbit

[goldmember]

Do you guys want this to become a movie? What would you like to have in the film?

I would love The Hobbit to be a movie! I would pay to see this!

[PsYkOoOoO]

Discussed a lot of times.

[Lurtz_2000]

where have you been?

[Smeagol]

As long as there weren't 13 Dwarfs I'd be happy.

I'd say 6 or 7 Dwarfs would be the maximum necessary: Thorin, Dwalin, Balin, Gloin, Fifi, Kili and maybe Bombur. The only problem being that '7 Dwarfs' is a concept belonging to Disney and we wouldn't want to see New Line being sued, now, would we? ;)

Smaug the Dragon would look amazing in CG and it would be interesting to see Thandruil in Mirkwood (with a Legolas cameo?) and to see if Gloin really is anything like his son...:D

[Necross]

I have to agree with Smeagol, I know this has been discussed numerous times but I haven't really got involved but I don't think there should be 13 dwaves. WAY TOO confusing especially since they probably won't look very different from one another.

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by Necross
I have to agree with Smeagol, I know this has been discussed numerous times but I haven't really got involved but I don't think there should be 13 dwaves. WAY TOO confusing especially since they probably won't look very different from one another.
yea i know. Most dwarfs probalby look very alike. Just like many elfs. (long blond hair and fair). These are like "ugly" and long beard stuff.....13 might be to many....

[Necross]

LOL definetly.

[PsYkOoOoO]

And The Hobbit has absolutely NO female characters.Not that i remember anyway.Cancel some of the dwarves and bring in the ladies!

[Juxton]

I can't tell if you guys are joking or not. So you want them to completely remove some of the characters because it might be confusing or too much ugly? I admit not all of the dwarfs really had anything to do in the book, but would you have liked it if they had removed 1 or 2 of the fellowship in LOTR? I mean, Gimli really didn't do anything. He was just there for comic relief in the movies. Guess they should have cut him out, too?

And in LOTR, they did cut out one of the male characters to bring in a lady, and all hell broke loose because of it.

Anyway, I hope you all are just joking around. Cutting out some of the main characters would be horrible, imo.

[LordofKings]

Originally posted by Juxton
I can't tell if you guys are joking or not. So you want them to completely remove some of the characters because it might be confusing or too much ugly? I admit not all of the dwarfs really had anything to do in the book, but would you have liked it if they had removed 1 or 2 of the fellowship in LOTR? I mean, Gimli really didn't do anything. He was just there for comic relief in the movies. Guess they should have cut him out, too?

And in LOTR, they did cut out one of the male characters to bring in a lady, and all hell broke loose because of it.

Anyway, I hope you all are just joking around. Cutting out some of the main characters would be horrible, imo.

which character did they take out for a female in LOTR?????

[Juxton]

Glorfindel(sp?). His scenes were replaced by Arwen. Though it's not like they added Arwen's character out of nowhere. In the book, the Elf Glorfindel helped them to the ford and commanded the river to overtake the black riders. And Gandalf added in the water horses in the flood.

[flukeman]

Glorfindel, who finds Aragorn and the hobbits after Frodo has been stabbed. Arwen came in instead. Although Glorfindel's horse made it at least :)

[Necross]

Originally posted by Juxton
Glorfindel(sp?). His scenes were replaced by Arwen. Though it's not like they added Arwen's character out of nowhere. In the book, the Elf Glorfindel helped them to the ford and commanded the river to overtake the black riders. And Gandalf added in the water horses in the flood.

Give me a break. He showed up for two seconds and didn't even ride to the ford with Frodo. I can't believe people complained about that. Its not like they replaced Aragorn with someone. That was one of the changes I loved, it was so much better than just Frodo on a horse, and the touch of Arwen summoning the waves was genius.

Also not all of the 13 dwarves had a real purpose. Everyone in the fellowship actually did something besides add to feeding list.

[Kerry from Cali]

Originally posted by PsYkOoOoO
Discussed a lot of times.


hey guys... this goldmember is a newbie, cut him/her a little slack. it's impossible to know each and every topic that's been done. a little patience can go a long way. :)

*jedi, you're becoming a bad influence on me. now you've got *me* using the "P" word. and that's just plain wrong.* :p

[Juxton]

Originally posted by Necross
Give me a break. He showed up for two seconds and didn't even ride to the ford with Frodo. I can't believe people complained about that. Its not like they replaced Aragorn with someone. That was one of the changes I loved, it was so much better than just Frodo on a horse, and the touch of Arwen summoning the waves was genius.

Also not all of the 13 dwarves had a real purpose. Everyone in the fellowship actually did something besides add to feeding list.

What purpose did Gimli serve in the movies other than being comic relief? Don't get me wrong, I still loved him and I wouldn't have wanted him cut for anything.

The point is, there's not really any reason to cut out some of the dwarves. Sure, they don't all serve a purpose, but why cut them? To save money on the budget?

I doubt PJ would do that, anyway.

[Necross]

Gimli was a friend with Legolas. It was to show their friendship grow, with Legolas and Aragorn. Hence the lines

Gimli: Never thought I'd die side by side with an elf

Legolas: How about side by side with a friend

Gimli: Aye, I can do that

[Undome-Elenamin]

Gimli is there to show that even your 'enemies' can become your best friends. I mean Elves and Dwarves have had a lot of differences and then you have this friendship bloom (i swear to my grandad's grave that it's not meant as a pun. I couldn't think of anything else) out of a heroic quest.

[Juxton]

Hmm. Not that I think PJ would cut any of the dwarves at all no matter how unpurposeful they are, let's see which ones people think were actually useful. Here are my choice:

Thorin - obviously because he's the leader, and rightful ruler of the Lonely Mountain (as far as I remember).

Gloin - Gimli's father. He's mentioned a few times in LOTR along with Gimli's name (Gimli, Gloin son/son of Gloin) and even seen in the Council of Elrond.

Bombur - as long as they keep all the scenes from Mirkwood involving the Elves, they have to keep Bombur, as far as I'm concerned. He's one of the main reasons the party gets lost in Mirkwood and captured by the Elves since he fell into the river and became unconscious, burdening the party even more. I could see him being cut, though, because that's the only purpose I can think of for him.

Balin - it's his tomb in FOTR, and I believe he was the only dwarf to really befriend Bilbo and watch out for him even when the others turned against Bilbo. I may be getting him mixed up with Dwalin, or someone, though.

My brain is a little muddled right now. I can't think of any purpose for the others at the moment.

I don't suppose Bilbo mentioned how many there were during his storytelling scene at the beginning of FOTR, did he? I don't think he did. I'll have to watch it again (like I need an excuse).

I have a feeling that if/when this gets made, Beorn will go the way of Bombadil. I hope not, though.

[Necross]

I hope Beorn makes it too, but there will definetly be cuts. Its sad, but expected. I know PJ will still do a great job though.

[Brock Landers]

These dwarves they should keep:


THORIN
GLOIN
BOMBUR
BALIN
FILI
KILI

[Juxton]

I don't know if it makes a difference or not, but the reason they hired Bilbo, other than for his apparent burglar skills, was so that their party would make 14 instead of 13. They didn't want bad luck. I think that's an important enough idea in the book to keep in the movie.

That was just a sudden thought. not trying to bring up an argument or anything.

[The_Manipulator]

Originally posted by Brock Landers
These dwarves they should keep:


THORIN
GLOIN
BOMBUR
BALIN
FILI
KILI

Yes of course M'Lord Brock!! :D
Fili and Kili! And Thorin and Balin! And Bombur!!!!
There wouldn't be a movie called the Hobbit without them!! :)

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Originally posted by Kerry from Cali

*jedi, you're becoming a bad influence on me. now you've got *me* using the "P" word. and that's just plain wrong.* :p

Sometimes I have that effect. ;)

[XscreamXshoutX]

Smeagol...all of the dwarfs are needed...thats the first chapter..thats where Bilbo is offered the adventure...

[FVD]

Ah I'd prefer to keep them all in there. So yeah keep them all.

Who were they all again?

Thorin
Gloin
Balin
Dwalin
Bifur
Bofur
Bombur
Dori
Nori
Ori
Fili
Kili
Beorn (right?)

I've gotta read the book again.

FVD.

[King Aragorn]

I think the Hobbit move would rock as long as it is made with the same people and crew as the trilogy, Wasnt there some kind of battle for rights between New Line and another studio?

[The Moose]

yep. the studio that has them wants an exorbitant amount for the rights though

[Andrey83]

New line has the rights to make it, but another company has the rights to distribiute it

[The_Manipulator]

Yeah...has Pete got all the rights yet? I really can't remember...

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by The_Manipulator
Yeah...has Pete got all the rights yet? I really can't remember...

look above in my post lara ;)

New line has the right to make it, but not distribiute it....

[King_Strider]

Its a damn shame... hopefully they'll make some kind of deal...

Otherwise we'll boycott both studio's movies until they reach a compromise :D

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by King_Strider
Its a damn shame... hopefully they'll make some kind of deal...

Otherwise we'll boycott both studio's movies until they reach a compromise :D

Sooner or later they will make a deal. There is alot of money in for both parts.

[Cloud Buster]

Originally posted by FVD
Ah I'd prefer to keep them all in there. So yeah keep them all.

Who were they all again?

Thorin
Gloin
Balin
Dwalin
Bifur
Bofur
Bombur
Dori
Nori
Ori
Fili
Kili
Beorn (right?)

I've gotta read the book again.

FVD.

Beorn isn't one of the Dwarves. He's that weird half-man/half-bear guy that uses trained horses and wolves as his servants.

[The Moose]

Thorin
Gloin
Balin
Dwalin
Bifur
Bofur
Bombur
Dori
Nori
Ori
Fili
Kili
:the dwarf ya missed out it Oin

[Damovieguy]

No not beorn..he is the man/bear if i remember rightly, I think you are mission Oin.

[Drogobaggins]

I hope they start production after King Kong because Ian McKellen IS Gandalf and anothr actor would have difficulty playing that role.

[Lothenon]

So.. this was posted on the White Council. It has not (yet?) appeared on New LInes Official Site, os it might well be an April Fool's Joke.


New Line Cinema to Produce J.R.R. Tolkien's 'The Hobbit'

LOS ANGELES, Mar. 30 /PRNewswire/ -- New Line Cinema will commit more than $140 million to produce two live action, special effects-packed films based on J.R.R. Tolkien's internationally renowned fantasy novel 'The Hobbit,' it was announced today by Robert Shaye and Michael Lynne, Co-chairmen and co-Chief Operating Officers of New Line Cinema, and Mark Ordesky, executive vice president and chief operating officer of New Line Productions.

New Line picked-up the rights to Tolkien's seminal classics 'The Hobbit' and 'Lord of the Rings' and from Miramax Films. Miramax co-chairmen Bob and Harvey Weinstein and United Artists Chief Executive Officer Kurt Hall will serve as executive producers, and Barrie Osbourne as producer. United Artists sold the film distribution rights to New Line yesterday in return for $15 million cash and an undisclosed percentage of the overseas box office and worldwide merchandising rights to consumer products based on the film property.

The company will release the two films as a Summer-Christmas event series during the 2007 calendar year. The films will be produced consecutively and principal photography will last approximately six months, and it is expected that pre-production will begin by late-2005. Weta Digital, Jackson's innovative special effects firm based in New Zealand, will be responsible for the elaborate computer generated visuals demanded of the project, whether Peter Jackson and his team come on board or not in other capacities.

'This deal represents a unique collaboration between competitors in the film world,' Shaye said about the brokered deal with United Artists. 'Anyone who is familiar with Tolkien's work knows that this is one of the most internationally beloved pieces of fiction ever produced. We are all completely committed and the films will have the same look and feel of 'The Lord Of The Rings'. Negotiations are still underway to bring the multi-award-winning team of Peter Jackson and his longtime production and screenwriting partners Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens to the project.

'It has taken 45 years for filmmaking technology to finally catch up with Tolkien's imagination as we have already demonstrated,’ Ordesky said. ‘New Zealand and its natural landscapes will be used to bring the unique world of Middle Earth to life once more. It's very exciting to be making 'The Hobbit' as a companion to 'The Lord Of The Rings'. Once again there is tremendous commitment and enthusiasm on all sides to treat Tolkien's work with the respect and integrity it deserves.'

Demonstrating the enormous popularity of Tolkien's work, which has sold more than 1000 million copies worldwide while being translated into over 25 different languages. 'The numbers and the success of the earlier movies support our enthusiasm for the project,' Shaye said, adding ‘we believe international interest, licensing and promotional opportunities will be extraordinary.’

Mark Ordesky was instrumental in securing the project, and he will oversee the project on behalf of the studio.

New Line's Senior Executive Vice President of Business and Legal Affairs Ben Zinkin negotiated the agreements, along with Ordesky. Jay Rakow, Senior Executive Vice President, General Counsel for MGM represented United Artists.

Set as a prequel to 'The Lord Of The Rings', 'The Hobbit' expands on the saga of how Gollum lost and Bilbo Baggins found, the One Ring against a backdrop of lost treasure, epic battles, dragons, dwarfs and wizards.

A legendary producer, Zaentz secured the rights to 'The Hobbit' and 'The Lord of the Rings' directly from author J.R.R. Tolkien. Among his many credits, he has produced such Academy Award-winning films as 'The English Patient,' 'Amadeus,' 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest,' and he is a recipient of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences' prestigious Irving G. Thalberg Memorial Award.

Along with his work on 'The Hobbit' and 'The Lord of the Rings,' Tolkien is the famed writer of such fantasy genre novels as 'The Adventures of Tom Bombadil,' and 'The Silmarillon.' A distinguished professor of English, Tolkien’s ‘The Hobbit’ was first published in 1937 as a children’s book, a year after he began writing 'The Lord of the Rings', whose three volumes took more than 14 years to complete.

Founded in 1967, New Line Cinema is the oldest and most successful fully integrated independent film company in the world. In addition to the production and distribution of theatrical motion pictures, it has divisions devoted to home entertainment, television, music, theater, licensing, merchandising and international marketing and distribution. New Line has been a pioneer in franchise filmmaking and its 'Lord of the Rings' trilogy is the most successful film franchise in history. Together with its subsidiary, Fine Line Features, New Line is a unit of Time Warner (NYSE: TWX).

SOURCE New Line Cinema

http://www.tolkienonline.com/thewhitecouncil/messageview.cfm?start=0&catid=13&threadid=79370

[Echo_7]

"New Line Cinema to Produce J.R.R. Tolkien's 'The Hobbit'

LOS ANGELES, Mar. 30 /PRNewswire/......"

I went to PRNewswire.com (where the aticle is supposed to have originated) and ran a search of their site for the keyword "hobbit" and it did not find this article. I also looked through the 300 most recent headlines and did not find it there either.

So until this it posted on the main page or newline.com, I would take it with a grain of salt

[Brandy]

Sound familiar to anyone? Check the date and content on this press release for LOTR back in 1998:

New Line to Produce Trilogy of Films (http://www.tolkien-movies.com/words/1998/08-24-98b.shtml)

[Juxton]

That's pretty pathetic. Whoever made it didn't even put much imagination into it, just changed some words around. Good catch, Brandy.

[FVD]

Two Hobbit movies?????? This looks like some early April Fools joke.

...and yeah that's right. How the hell did I miss out Oin. Duh!!!!

FVD.

[Drogobaggins]

I think the Hobbit WILL get made. Even if it is a joint production of some sort. The moviemakers know it will be a smashing success if the same people are involved.

[diasyjazz]

Cutting dwarfs seems really silly...as someone else said, i am having trouble discerning if this is a real converstation or not.

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by Brandy
Sound familiar to anyone? Check the date and content on this press release for LOTR back in 1998:

New Line to Produce Trilogy of Films (http://www.tolkien-movies.com/words/1998/08-24-98b.shtml)

Wow, how did you remember that? :)

Either way, sooner or later it wil probably be made (i hope)....

[The_Manipulator]

Originally posted by Andrey83
look above in my post lara ;)

New line has the right to make it, but not distribiute it....

Well.....ermm......There COULD be news on the subject....on the 2 hours between your post and my post.....Peter Jackson could have gotten all the rights and that time...............................
:rolleyes:

[Inferno]

My big worry is that the Hobbit will have too many unnessary references to LOTR. Like Many sequels (eg Godfather III), they just can't help mentioning characters or events from the previous movies just for the sake of doing so.

[Undome-Elenamin]

I don't think PJ would do that. But who knows???

[Juxton]

Well, I think fans will expect references. It might seem strange for them to be imprisoned by the elves of Mirkwood who are ruled by Legolas' father and not even mention Legolas. Same goes for Rivendell and Aragorn. And since the White Council is mentioned in the Hobbit, it would be natural to at least reference Saruman. Galadriel could be at least mentioned as well. There are a lot of natural places to reference LOTR without it seeming forced.

Now, if they start putting things like having Bilbo talking to his relatives and have one of them say "Hey, Frodo would be a nice name for a son" or something like that might be overdoing it. But the Gaffer would be a cool reference.

[Aztec]

Originally posted by Inferno
My big worry is that the Hobbit will have too many unnessary references to LOTR. Like Many sequels (eg Godfather III), they just can't help mentioning characters or events from the previous movies just for the sake of doing so.

Please don't use Godfather III as an example for most sequels. That's very hurtful to sequels that are either good or watchable ;).

[Lurtz_2000]

its better when they mention things from previous movies.

[Andrey83]

Originally posted by The_Manipulator
Well.....ermm......There COULD be news on the subject....on the 2 hours between your post and my post.....Peter Jackson could have gotten all the rights and that time...............................
:rolleyes:

Hehe, its good that you are being so optimistic ;)

[Juxton]

Someone made another Hobbit thread and I was going to reply to it, but decided not to add to going against the rules, so I'll reply in this thread.

Even if there weren't rights issues, I think it's a smart move to wait until after Kong to make the Hobbit. There's the possibility people won't like Kong because it might not live up to LOTR, so if that happens, PJ turns around and makes the Hobbit, the annoying doubters and fair-weather fans are appeased, and all is right with the world again. I'm as anxious as anyone to see this made, but I think it's good to wait until after Kong in any case.

[Andrey83]

yeah, but he was new here, so he's excused ;)

[Drogobaggins]

Originally posted by Juxton
Someone made another Hobbit thread and I was going to reply to it, but decided not to add to going against the rules, so I'll reply in this thread.

Even if there weren't rights issues, I think it's a smart move to wait until after Kong to make the Hobbit. There's the possibility people won't like Kong because it might not live up to LOTR, so if that happens, PJ turns around and makes the Hobbit, the annoying doubters and fair-weather fans are appeased, and all is right with the world again. I'm as anxious as anyone to see this made, but I think it's good to wait until after Kong in any case.
:applaud: That's the right way for PJ to approach it.

[The_Manipulator]

Originally posted by Andrey83
Hehe, its good that you are being so optimistic ;)

:D

[mOVIEmONSTER]

Originally posted by XscreamXshoutX
Smeagol...all of the dwarfs are needed...thats the first chapter..thats where Bilbo is offered the adventure...


Yes they are, but they all dont have to have lines in the movie...They could just be background dwarves....

[The_Manipulator]

Still, it would be weird if they only made 6-7 dwarfs....!

The place it can be cut id in the beginning.
Instead of one dwarf at first there could come 3, and then 5, and then 3, and then 2 or something with Gandalf at last....!

[Skyhex]

it'll be really cool to have the Hobbit made as a film. i really enjoyed the trilogy, and i thought when i first heard that the trilogy was being made that they had to make a film of the hobbit too.

[Andrey83]

And we hope they will :)

[Skyhex]

i wonder which actors they would use, i truly have no ideas.

[Andrey83]

Well, they will most likely use Ian M for Gandalf again. And probably have a cameo for Legolas (since his father is in this story) with Orlando bloom. The of cource Elrond wil most likely be played by Hugo...other then that, i have no idea...

[The_Manipulator]

Erm....they would be stupid if they didn't use Sir Ian McKellen as gandalf!!
And of course! We're going to see Orlando Bloom as an elf in the Mirkwoods!!

[Skyhex]

it will be great having those actors again, but i can't even imagination what the new characters will look like, apart from the really obvious things, like the dwarves will be short

[Dogbert0228]

I know this possibility's been talked to death, but with the possible accquisition of MGM and it's rights to a Hobbit feature film, does this give anymore life to a dream for The Hobbit to be made? Jackson's already got projects lined up, and Ian Holm isn't getting any younger, but maybe?

[dustindame]

So from what i read on CS! the hobbit is more alive now than it has been in awhile, Please excuse me if this has already been talked about.