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Gandollum
12-23-2003, 08:49 PM
Are Women Just Bored of the 'Rings'?
By CARYN JAMES

Published: December 21, 2003


CLOCKED my first yawn at 50 minutes, lulled by too many pale-blue mountains, computerized tricks and a plot so intricate all I knew for sure was that Gandalf had called for help. And did I care if help arrived? I did not. The final entry in the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy reveals once more that what the chick flick is to men, this trilogy is to women — or at least to a large secret society of us for whom the series is no more than a geek-fest, a technologically impressive but soulless endurance contest. That holds even for the newest, least nerdy installment, "The Return of the King" (or as those of us with our priorities straight like to think of it, "The Return of Viggo," our one consolation).

The film arrived in a cloud of media hype that included a full hour on ABC's "Prime Time," Elijah Wood (Frodo) as host on "Saturday Night Live," Viggo Mortensen (Aragorn, the King) on the cover of Vanity Fair and the tiresome, inevitable Oscar buzz. Like the two earlier installments, it also arrived with unmistakable social pressure to gush over its sheer size and spectacle. In a cultural version of political incorrectness, expressing anything less than ecstatic praise seems unenlightened if not downright boorish.

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There's no arguing with the series' commercial success, of course (more than $1.75 billion worldwide, and that's just box-office income, not DVD's). Any movie so popular has to grab an audience across all lines of age and sex. But both demographic and empirical evidence suggests that the trilogy is still primarily a boys' toy. The well-calculated hype and exaggerated praise (the New York Film Critics Circle last week voted "Return" best picture) has obscured what the series really is: an FX extravaganza tailored to an adolescent male's fear of sentiment and love of high-tech wizardry.

This is not a backlash opinion. The male geek factor was present from the first installment, "The Fellowship of the Ring," which New Line Cinema promoted heavily online to reach that audience. Online promotion is still a big part of the marketing strategy, as countless "Rings" Web sites help sustain the true fanatics. The company's own surveys reveal intriguing information. Before "The Fellowship" opened in 2001, New Line polled potential viewers on their awareness of the J. R. R. Tolkien novels on which the films are based. Those most likely to have read the books were "older" (in Hollywood-speak, over 25); 51 percent of them were older men, while only 33 percent were older women. When the first two films opened, exit polls showed women to be less enthusiastic than men; and a more recent survey taken in anticipation of "The Return of the King" said that interest levels "still skew male."

There's no need to be so scientific, though. Take a little poll at your office. I found a male colleague who saw the film and said, "It was great — of course I'm a big geek." There was the female colleague who went because her boyfriend wanted to, and who explained her own interest by saying, "I'm so in love with Viggo"(not her boyfriend's name).

When the media acknowledge the nerd factor, it's only to make nerdiness seem noble. It happened last year when a Salon.com article cleverly titled "Lord of the Geeks" praised Tolkien-inspired computer games. It happened again last week when the British newspaper The Guardian heralded "Return" with an article called "We Are All Nerds Now."

There are precedents for this, notably "Star Wars," the granddaddy of all geek movies. Like the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy, the "Star Wars" series comes laden with its own mythology and has inspired a rabid (now easily satirized) geek constituency. Beneath a veneer of humanism that allows viewers and critics to think the movies are about Something Big — Good and Evil! Fathers and Sons! — both series are really about special effects. Yesterday's light sabers are today's Mount Doom. They offer an escape into an imagined world of warriors, where emotions are paid lip service but never truly expressed — an approach that is always easy for adolescent boys to embrace.

Who would have thought that Peter Jackson would direct such soulless films? At his best he has mixed fantasy and everyday reality to stunning effect, as in his 1994 movie, "Heavenly Creatures," about two adolescent girls who commit a murder rather than be separated. Throughout their friendship, they create storybook tales that come alive on screen, as their tiny clay figures of knights and princesses take the eerie shapes of green-faced, life-size actors. It is easy to draw a direct line from those girls dancing with their imaginary friends to "The Lord of the Rings." But while Mr. Jackson makes the characters in "Heavenly Creatures" all too human (perhaps because the film is based on a true story), he rarely infuses the "Rings" trilogy with a human feeling.

As a story, "Return" improves on the previous films because it is marginally less impressed with its own FX wizardry; we've seen it all before. Yet true emotions are still hard to find, even though the finale desperately plays out every parting scene imaginable. The characterizations are so haphazard that the most touching figure is not the heroic hobbit Frodo or even Aragorn, technically human but more a fairy-tale king than a man. It is Frodo's sidekick, Sam, who will literally follow Frodo into fire. Sam is played so well by Sean Astin that this affectingly loyal hobbit seems the most human figure on screen.

That's what "Lord of the Rings" is supposed to do — make us see the souls of hobbits, elves and wizards, and care. Instead, it works in the way Jay Leno recently described it. You have to see each film about four times, he said enthusiastically, in case you missed some dragon lurking in the upper right corner of the screen.

The rest of us, those who can hardly tell Sauron from a Klingon or a Jedi, are left with a few humane scenes and the Viggo effect. Out of more than 9 hours (3 hours and 20 minutes for "Return" and 5 hours and 58 minutes for the previous two combined, to be geekily precise), that's not nearly enough.

This has got to be the most dumbest and sickening review ever. Im a guy and even this sickens me. So only guys like this movie and every women on the face of the earth finds it boring, blah. Not only that but she says all male geeks like these films because of fx and battle scenes. What the..., for me the battle scenes are impressive, and the effects are great to look at, but I didnt see the movies for those reasons. I went to see LOTR for the characters, the great emotional moments and the story, thats what make LOTR is so great, the friendships formed and the journey. Is there anyone who agrees with this garbage.

Rogue
12-23-2003, 09:08 PM
Hmmmph! "Can't tell Sauran from a Klingon or a Jedi." Sounds like this woman has more to worry about than just hating the movie experience.

stargoddess
12-23-2003, 09:42 PM
she's not typical. just jaded

Icelle
12-23-2003, 09:58 PM
what a load of crap.

mister_satan666
12-23-2003, 10:01 PM
funny, my GF was dyingto see this movie. she loves war scenes with swords and magic

Cbars
12-23-2003, 10:04 PM
Last time I checked I was female, and you all know how much I love the books and films.:p :p

BaMBbLeS
12-23-2003, 10:05 PM
*shakes head* Wow, that lady... I actually know for a fact that some of my friends (the ones not as fanatical as me) who are more of the girly chick flick type, actually saw the trailer or some of the marketing for ROTK and told me that they wanted to see it. Not for the "Viggo Effect" but because it looked like a good movie. They were even willing to watch the other two to be caught up and not confused. Male geek thing, Bah!

Spy-Of-Saruman
12-23-2003, 10:08 PM
^^^ Said like a true.... erm.... fan, yeah that'll do

Pwnst1k
12-23-2003, 10:12 PM
That really made me laugh. She's part of the 2 percentile. By that I mean the small percentage reserved for people that didn't like ROTK.

Highfire
12-23-2003, 10:21 PM
just because she didnt like the movie dosent meen she should say every woman hates it

Cbars
12-23-2003, 10:53 PM
Who is this woman anyways and why do we care?

PsYkOoOoO
12-23-2003, 11:22 PM
who cares?i dont care...

FrankTheBunny
12-23-2003, 11:26 PM
Another biased piece of writing that shows no insights or knowledge of the subject. This woman is a complete moron, plain and simple. Hell, my Mom loves teh LOTR movies.

PsYkOoOoO
12-23-2003, 11:29 PM
if she thinks that all the females dislike rotk just because she doesnt like it then she is also trying to say that all the females are stupid because she's stupid..thats just an unfair comment..

PsYkOoOoO
12-23-2003, 11:52 PM
"Lord of the Rings" is for boys ...
A New York Times critic falls for lazy gender-typing.

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By Stephanie Zacharek

Dec. 22, 2003 |

In the latest entry in the "blue is for boys, pink is for girls" school of criticism, Caryn James, in a New York Times Arts & Leisure piece on Sunday, argues that the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy -- up to and including the final installment, "The Return of the King" -- is a big snooze for those of us not blessed with a Y chromosome. James says she yawned through most of the first two movies, as well as the third: "The final entry in the 'Lord of the Rings' trilogy reveals once more that what the chick flick is to men, this trilogy is to women -- or at least to a large secret society of us for whom the series is no more than a geek-fest, a technologically impressive but soulless endurance contest."

What's interesting about James' piece isn't that she dislikes Peter Jackson's "Lord of the Rings" movies, which is any critic's prerogative. She thinks they're too rarely infused with human feeling. (She notes that she prefers the Jackson of "Heavenly Creatures," a nicely observed movie about two teenage girls who commit a murder.)

PsYkOoOoO
12-23-2003, 11:53 PM
Originally posted by PsYkOoOoO
She thinks they're too rarely infused with human feeling.

she must be retarded to say such a thing!!

ILOVEKATIE
12-24-2003, 12:10 AM
To bad she can't see and feel what we do for these films......oh well I'll get over it.;)

Yeah Ok
12-24-2003, 02:06 AM
what a jerk

http://upload.houseboat-racing.biz/files/PICTURE111.jpg

RebelwithaCause
12-24-2003, 02:26 AM
Holy crap!!!!

Well, at both the article and that picture....

But as for the article...dude, my grandma is 60 something years old and loves those movies! I mean, almost everyone I know, male or female loves those movies! The chick is stoned.

Wyn
12-24-2003, 09:51 AM
Yeah u know thats so true..... not!!

Seeing as I`m female and well everybody on here probably by now has realised how much I love LOTR and I know loads of women that love the films.

Oh and no emotion in LOTR!! has she seen the films??!!

darthspielberg
12-24-2003, 09:58 AM
No Emotion My Foot.

I wept at the end of ROTK and btw...I am Male

king_of_hetzer
12-24-2003, 10:58 AM
OMFG! Was she raised this way? You have to be raised this way to think this way, it is just impossible to say such things on your own. WTF damn sexist bit**

I cried when the Witchking died, when Theoden says "I know your face", the revelation of Arwen's son, and the revealing of Arwen behind the flag at the end. I am male.

JBomb87
12-24-2003, 11:13 AM
Me & my Mom saw this movie opening night. My loves these movies as much she loves me. I started to feel sad when Pippin was singing the "Edge of Night". Im a dude by the way. My mom was crying at the end because she felt she had bonded with the chracters that she didn't want it to end

mentiroso
12-24-2003, 11:53 AM
Well I loved the movie but my GF has been a fan since she read the books while in middle school (14 years ago). She wanted to see it so bad I think she might have wet herself standing in line waiting for tickets (just kidding honey, if you read this!)

Queen Arwen
12-24-2003, 01:13 PM
As you all know, I'm female. I've loved these books and films sooooo much over the past few years, and I'm stunned that she would say this movie was sexist. Doesn't Eowyn even touch her? Doesn't Arwen's sacrifice even move her? The woman has a heart of stone. When I saw this on TORn, I didn't even read it because I could've cared less. But now, I have to speak out. I'm ashamed of her because this review only cements the fact that she can't look beyond the obvious, beyond the cover of this novel. Don't expose your ignorance by posting reviews like this, Caryn!

nickodimas
12-25-2003, 09:32 AM
I am a guy and I cried during many scenes in ROTK, when Pippin and Merry are going their separate ways, when Theoden dies, when Frodo is greeted by the Fellowship after destroying the ring, when Sam carries Frodo up the mountain, when everyone bows down to the Hobbits, etc. I think it is unfair of her to say that the movies are unfeeling and soulless. A female friend of mine as well as my sister are huge fans of LOTR. I think the author of that article needs her head examined.

Optimus Magnus
12-29-2003, 07:34 AM
Damn Ritgh!

And no man I know who's afraid of intimacy grabs and kisses the woman he loves like Aragorn did with Arwen in front of his people: he had this look on his face that said this:

'**** 'em, I love this woman and I'm going to prove it'

Lance
12-29-2003, 09:41 AM
Hmmm. I guess my wife is not a woman. She is not a geek, does not read SciFi or Fantasy by and large, and LOVES this movie. She and I have seen it twice since opening.

And I guess that gal in the last showing next to me in the theatre crying at the end is not a woman either. Hmmm. Strange world I live in. :rolleyes: