smith

[victorious]

this is a conversation my roommate and i were having:
SCL Alwayz (9:46:24 PM): I was just thinking something about Smith.
slickvic12vo (9:46:36 PM): yeah?
SCL Alwayz (9:46:44 PM): Since he's no longer an agent, he wouldn't be able to "dodge" bullets, right?
slickvic12vo (9:46:58 PM): yeah
SCL Alwayz (9:47:07 PM): So, what if Neo just pulled out a gun and shot Smith before he began replicating himself?
SCL Alwayz (9:47:10 PM): Would he just die?
SCL Alwayz (9:47:15 PM): Or would it have no effect?
slickvic12vo (9:47:27 PM): isn't he equal to neo?
slickvic12vo (9:47:41 PM): could he somehow stop it?
SCL Alwayz (9:47:47 PM): In the end, he was. But I mean during Reloaded or something.
slickvic12vo (9:47:57 PM): yeah probably
slickvic12vo (9:48:10 PM): but there was never really any "agent smith"
slickvic12vo (9:48:20 PM): until he copied the oracle
slickvic12vo (9:48:32 PM): ohhhh
slickvic12vo (9:48:35 PM): i see what you mean
slickvic12vo (9:48:51 PM): because he hasn't taken over anyones body
SCL Alwayz (9:50:08 PM): And in the first movie, if Agents were shot, they would simply leave the dead body.
slickvic12vo (9:50:13 PM): yeah
slickvic12vo (9:50:33 PM): so was he just like seraph?
SCL Alwayz (9:50:36 PM): Well, if Smith is no longer an Agent, and just himself, then what would happen if he was shot? Heh.
slickvic12vo (9:50:47 PM): yeah
slickvic12vo (9:50:58 PM): i think he would die
slickvic12vo (9:51:03 PM): that one would anyway
SCL Alwayz (9:51:08 PM): You don't see anyone shoot Smith.
slickvic12vo (9:51:11 PM): but there was so many of them
slickvic12vo (9:51:14 PM): no
SCL Alwayz (9:52:00 PM): I'm just saying, say Neo takes out a Uzi and there were only three Smiths. He kills them, and then no more Smith?
slickvic12vo (9:52:01 PM): what would happen if the oracle was shot?
slickvic12vo (9:52:08 PM): yeah
SCL Alwayz (9:52:27 PM): That would be a good question for the boards.
slickvic12vo (9:52:34 PM): yeah
slickvic12vo (9:52:39 PM): i'm going to post it
SCL Alwayz (9:52:49 PM): Just copy and paste this convo and put it in.
slickvic12vo (9:53:01 PM): ok
slickvic12vo (9:53:12 PM): man alabama is coming back
SCL Alwayz (9:53:15 PM): So it wouldn't take you so much time to write everything out.
slickvic12vo (9:53:19 PM): ok
slickvic12vo (9:53:27 PM): i'm going to put even this on here
slickvic12vo (9:53:28 PM): lol
SCL Alwayz (9:54:05 PM): haha
slickvic12vo (9:54:22 PM): no alabama just scored
SCL Alwayz (9:54:27 PM): man
slickvic12vo (9:54:34 PM): its going to be 28 23
SCL Alwayz (9:54:38 PM): damn
slickvic12vo (9:54:41 PM): and then they will onside kick it

[dogisburning]

Smith in M1,is a normal agent but stronger than the other 2.After Neo kicked his ass,he was to be deleted,but he chose exile.

Returning in Reloaded,he somehow got the powers to copy himself.With every person he copies,he gains more strength.He's no longer an agent,so if he gets shot he probably will die,but he can still dodge bullets(later on fly,etc).You don't need to be an agent to dodge bullets.Neo can dodge them and he's not an agent is he?It's the "Free your mind" thing.

That's what I think,but no one actually shot Smith,so the truth,I guess will remain unknown.

[Shoon]

How do we know for sure if Smith can still dodge bullets? It could perhaps just be an ability that Agents are familiar with. However, Smith is no longer an Agent, thus making him different. We don't have too much evidence if he can still dodge (because he was never shot at when he came back in Reloaded).

The only reason he was able to fly was because he overwrote the Oracle. I'm sure she has some pretty sweet abilities.

Neo doesn't have to dodge. He simply doesn't need to. He has "freed his mind," just like all of the other awaken humans. And you must know that Neo is simply the special one. He doesn't need to dodge; however, everyone else can't dodge. Dodging is only a trait that Agents have.

Remember when Neo was learning his abilities from the first movie, Trinity saw what Neo did, "You move like they do." Neo soon understands the movements of the Agents, but also grows stronger to the end of the film, and also sees only the "Matrix" in code.

[dogisburning]

Nah,I don't think overwriting the Oracle makes him able to fly,can you image the Oracle flying?

True,Neo doesn't have to,but in M1 he does.

The "You move like they do" means he moves as fast as they do,fast enough to dodge bullets.

You have to free you're mind to a certain stage,like Neo coming back to life in M1.He realised that the bullets aren't real,he can't be killed by somthing thats not real.IMO everyone can dodge bullets,just that they aren't fast enough.

Smith WAS an agent,but he chose exile(kinda like you get fired by your boss at work) You no longer work there,but you still know the tricks.For example,you work at Starbucks,you learned how to make coffee there.Then you quit and went to work at KFC.Although you don't work at a cafe,you STILL KNOW HOW to make coffee.

[Shoon]

I'm not saying Oracle would and should fly. But she has the knowledge and understands the rules to fly. Smith never did fly anytime before that.

Neo is the Chosen One. He dodges bullets to show that he is growing in his knowledge, but it doesn't stop there. "You move like they do. I've never seen anything like that before." No one else other than the One, can and will ever be able to do it. We haven't seen anyone dodge. Even given the slow-motion on screen, we never see anyone dodge but just run away from the stray of bullets.

Smith is simply a program. Neo knew the Matrix was not real. Hence, when he knew he couldn't die from something fake, he came back to life. I agree with you on that. However, Smith couldn't understand the knowledge of "bending." He only understands the abilities that he is given.

[dogisburning]

True,but once he's "unplugged",he is free to learn anything he wants to.He understands more and more,including"bending".That probably let him end up flying.Truth is,we've just havent seen him fly,that doesnt mean he has never flown before.And the coffee theory.Just cause he's exiled,doesn't mean he no longer understands the abilities he was given when he was an agent.

I still think that everyone can dodge bullets,just they don't know how.Neo's the first one to figure out how,just that,not cause he's the One.

[victorious]

what about the keymaker? Since he is an exile why couldn't he learn new tricks and smith can? if he could have then the whole car chase was for nothing. i believe what shoon is saying.

[Fanible]

I don't think just because he's not in the Matrix's control and he's not an "Agent" anymore, that would cause him to lose abilities he once had. Like being able to dodge bullets. That's totally opinionated and nothing ever was said or done to make someone assume it.

So that kinda just debuncs the whole convo right there.

Also, since apart of Neo was printed onto Smith, that allows him to "learn new tricks" per say. Or end up doing greater things. To answer that thing about the keymaker exile. The keymaker exile had one purpose and one thing he could do.

[Rain]

I don't think Smith would loose his ablities when he became free, so to speak

Smith still knows how to fight in styles that would of being programed into him as an agent - so why would he loose the ability to dodge bullets and not loose the ability to fight in certain styles?

also i think the oracle can fly, she helped design the matrix so like the trainman i think that puts her in an almost god position in the world she assisted to create

what im most dissappointed about is if the program that helps design a program can allow rules to make themself the strongest, how come the archetict didnt get out of his chair and beat some expression into Neo - im sure he would of being extremely powerful - at least in his room - and when he is out wandering out the matrix im sure he would have to be able to defend himself enough from exile programs.

i wanted the archetict to KICK SOME NEO ASS!

[G-Matrix]

Originally posted by dogisburning
Smith in M1,is a normal agent but stronger than the other 2.After Neo kicked his ass,he was to be deleted,but he chose exile.

Returning in Reloaded,he somehow got the powers to copy himself.With every person he copies,he gains more strength.He's no longer an agent,so if he gets shot he probably will die,but he can still dodge bullets(later on fly,etc).You don't need to be an agent to dodge bullets.Neo can dodge them and he's not an agent is he?It's the "Free your mind" thing.

That's what I think,but no one actually shot Smith,so the truth,I guess will remain unknown.

Dog, I don't think he hgains more power with every copy, every copy has the power of the person he copies. That is why when he absorves the oracle, just one Smith, the one who got copied into the oracle, confront Neo in the Super Brawl

[Zion101]

i heard the other ones before Neo never actually flew inside smith like at the end of The Matrix (part 1).They may have jus defeated him some other way. thats how smith is equal to Neo.the oracle says it in Revoultions..."he is your opposite" and in reloaded before the burly brawl smith says "your aware of it" " our Connection" "i dont know how it happened some part of you was copied onto me... something overwritten or copied"

[TyRoss]

Kinda off topic but....


If their you're roomate why were you talking to them in an IM conversation?

Just curious.

[Alien]

Originally posted by TyRoss
Kinda off topic but....


If their you're roomate why were you talking to them in an IM conversation?

Just curious. That's what I was thinking. So, why were you useing some IMessager to talk to your roommate?

[Shoon]

Originally posted by Alien
That's what I was thinking. So, why were you useing some IMessager to talk to your roommate?

We have the luxury of three separate rooms in the dorm room we have. :p (I am SCL Alwayz, by the way.)

[hpk37067]

Neo doesn't dodge bullets because he doesn't have to. Neither does Smith because they're equal. It would make no difference. I was expecting the deus ex machina to ask Neo if he wanted to go to the construct and get some weapons, but it never happened.

[dogisburning]

Originally posted by G-Matrix
Dog, I don't think he hgains more power with every copy, every copy has the power of the person he copies. That is why when he absorves the oracle, just one Smith, the one who got copied into the oracle, confront Neo in the Super Brawl
I was thinking that the Smith that comes to fight Neo is the very original one.Every person he copies,that Smith has that person's power,but the original Smith also gets these powers,so he's like all the Smiths put together.

[dogisburning]

Originally posted by victorious
what about the keymaker? Since he is an exile why couldn't he learn new tricks and smith can? if he could have then the whole car chase was for nothing. i believe what shoon is saying.
Yeah,but maybe he doesn't want to(what a stupid answer)

My guess was that he's not a program that was suppose to fight,so he learns from the very begining(simple punches and kicks,in other words,weak).And he was held captive by the Merovingian,so he probably got no chance to learn.