Why Revolutions has a Lower than Expected Domestic BO [Archive]

neo1980

11-21-2003, 06:56 PM

1. People who disliked Revolutions said they will wait for critics, critics hated it so much, people who said they might see revolutions still havent and those who hated revolutions, alot of them havent and will not see it

2. Revolutions by people who have seen the movie is overall considered a much better action movie than reloaded, but reloaded had more $$$ in BO at this time. why? Reason 1.

3. It comes down to that most people have not still understood the story of reloaded and most people did did not might never until the wachowski`s do a commentary

downflow311

11-21-2003, 07:06 PM

no it does not. it comes down to Revolutions sucking ass. and having the worst end to a so-called trilogy in history.

the reason is people lost interest in the Matrix world after the terribly received Reloaded.

downflow311

11-21-2003, 07:10 PM

and before you say anything, dont use the "people didnt understand it" defense because that really doesnt work. most people of average intelligence understood it fine but disliked the movie for several other reasons.

neo1980

11-21-2003, 07:14 PM

im sorry downflow but u are wrong

downflow311

11-21-2003, 07:17 PM

no rebuttle? im completely right. what other reason is there for the BO decline then people (general public) not being interested in the Matrix world anymore. thats the only reason why it would drop so significantly.

GMaN

11-21-2003, 07:37 PM

Actually, Revolutions did extreamly well for its release month. Especially with the Zero Hour release. Warner Bros. predicted it would take in 200 Million in the first week of release. It made 204.5 Million world wide. It made 80 Million of that domestic. Reloaded did make more money domesticly (175 Million) but consider the fact that people had the time to see it. It was released for example - just as schools where being let out. Now all the kids where home, without homework, and asked mommy and daddy to take them to the movie.

So the anwer is not simply it sucked (which IMO it surely didnt) the answer is it was released in the fall rather than spring or summer like Reloaded.

Everyone is intitled to their opinion, I loved the movie and the ending personally... But if you want to debate about how much money it grossed, debate with facts not opinions.

zef2k

11-21-2003, 07:37 PM

The fact is that Reloaded was primed to be one of the biggest movies of all time, I mean the anticipation for it was unparalled (quite possibly the most anticipated movie of our time). But when it came, it was a MAJOR let down. I loved the movie myself, but I can completly understand why people felt cheated after the massive hype machine the preceeded the movie's release.

Revolutions is merely suffering the after effects of its inferior prequel. Many people I spoke w/ simply didn't care about Revolutions after watching Reloaded, and the proof is in the Box Office.

dogisburning

11-21-2003, 08:52 PM

I thought everyone(non matrix fans) liked Reloaded but not Revolutions.

Fable

11-21-2003, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by dogisburning
I thought everyone(non matrix fans) liked Reloaded but not Revolutions.

nope, exact opposite, everyone was soo excited about reloaded, it grossed so much, and everyone was dissapointed with it so they didn't bother seeing revolutions, my guess is some people are holding out untill it comes out on video (which i hear will be soon).

Horace Jenkins

11-22-2003, 01:29 AM

It's as simple as this: Reloaded pissed people off... therefore, they're not gonna see Revultions...

surfnsun1176

11-22-2003, 01:37 AM

the reason that it's perceived as a "failure" is that the overall perception of the movie from the first wave of people to see it wasn't good enough to persuade everybody else to spend their money on it. I think alot of the decline in box office and the bad vibes toward the movie come from the majority of the people not liking the way the movie played out and subsequently ended. 2 words: TOUGH $HIT!!! The last time I checked there are only 2 wachowski brothers' and they don't have to answer to us. they're not congressmen... they're not required to represent their people (audience) with their opinions or actions. if you're honestly going to refute that this is a great trilogy because it didn't go how you thought it would, then stop watching movies.... because predictability sucks

tiff_t_t

11-22-2003, 03:13 AM

it's not that the sequels didn't "go how [I] thought it would", it's just that I was hoping for something more original and thought-provoking... more follow-up to the original. ...Movies about the nature of artificial intelligence, about destiny, about what it means to be a hero, about the ramifications of billions of people waking up to find it had all been a "dream," ...there's just SO many cool stories there, real $hit, intensity, the Ur questions of "what are we all doing here?" "is there a purpose to life?" "what is freedom?" and so on.

that's why I'm disappointed and won't be going back for a second helping of Revolutions.

Rabbit12

11-22-2003, 08:03 AM

hmm....i liked it all, and as someone has said before argue with facts not opinions on this thread!

Baadshah

11-22-2003, 09:36 AM

it's the word of mouth people. The problem was that the movie priemered on a wednesday and was released worldwide. People who saw the film the first day was disappointed and they told their friends, then their friends, then their friends, then their friends, then their friends, then their friends, then their friends, then their friends, then their friends, then their friends, then their friends, then their friends, then their friends, then their friends, then their friends, then their friends, then their friends, then their friends,

get my drift. THat's all. I found Revolutions enjoyable, but not better than Reloaded. The reason for the box office drop is because some people are stupid in not trusting in their own opinons and listening to other morons on their opinons about the movie.

Fable

11-22-2003, 09:46 AM

I just don't understand why people hated the two movies so much, i loved them both even if they were very confusing.

Baadshah

11-22-2003, 09:56 AM

confusing is a good thing, people don't understand that. Confusing is fun to figure out after the movie. It make u think and analyze and make u want to see the movie

JackBauer

11-22-2003, 10:25 AM

my version:
they all had to wait 4 FU***** years to see the sequel, and everyone loved the first movie, it was simply amazing! the hype was to big and the movie was nod good enough, the audience just expected MORE!!! simple as that...

I still adore all the matrix movies and the first one is my favourite

Baadshah

11-22-2003, 11:11 AM

why does everyone hate Reloaded? Plz explain, make a list.

TyRoss

11-22-2003, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by neo1980
3. It comes down to that most people have not still understood the story of reloaded and most people did did not might never until the wachowski`s do a commentary

Bullpucky

I am so sick of hearing this excuse when people badmouth the Matrix. I myself am a human of average intelligence and I understand the movies just fine thank you. Do I particularly like them, no. But you know what thats my opinion I'm entitled to it just as you're entitled to the opinion that Matrix is the be all end all of all movies.

But to insult other peoples intelligence because they didn't like a movie is just wrong ok. So what if I didn't like it why the hell should you care? You got your movies you enjoyed them, you have others who enjoyed the movies her you can talk to about whatever. That should be the extent of your concern. Why we who didn't like it did not like it doesn't really matter. The fact is we didn't. It's not that we didn't understand it, or that we got lost in the plot, or even that we have an anti Keanu Reeves militia going on. We just didn't like the movie for whatever reason.

So Revolutions isn't grossing as much as Reloaded, big deal, get over it and stop insulting peoples intelligence over something you have no control over.

downflow311

11-22-2003, 12:15 PM

^ exactly. like i said the "people didnt understand it" defense does not work. it is just a lame excuse to cover up the fact that the sequels were less then par. people are no longer interested in the matrix, plain and simple.

Ap2000

11-22-2003, 12:48 PM

I loved Reloaded too. ^_^
But Revolutions WAS dissappointing... eventhought i love the matrix and stuff, but Revolutions was pretty nothing-special...

tiff_t_t

11-22-2003, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by Baadshah
why does everyone hate Reloaded? Plz explain, make a list.

[The following is opinion-based... obviously]

- too many new characters who didn't take the story anywhere
- campy dialogue
- sfx more important than plot
- Neo no longer appears omnipotent (doesn't blow anyone's code up, etc)
- Morpheus loses his "cool" factor and becomes a gimp
- oversexualized (which I wouldn't normally dislike... it's just that it felt empty... like it was there because sex sells and not because it's important to the plot... ah, Monica Belucci, anyone?)
- focus of the plot on a subplot of the Original, Smith
- crappy CG that draws you out of the movie when you say, hey look at the crappy CG Neo spinning in the air... it's too bad since SO much of the CG is great, but the bad moments were waaaay bad
- Zion. Just plain- Zion. It sucks. Bad set design / dressing. Size, scope, everything.
- And what's up with the Zion rave? That was a stupid Bennetton commerical if I've ever seen one.
- Bringing Trinity back to life with the digital Crash Cart which is Neo. It was too too cheesy for my taste. I literally went, "aargh, gimme a break," in the theater.
- no discussion of the real issue at hand-- billions of people plugged into the matrix. I care more about them then the few in Zion. It's the numbers, people!

etc, etc. I could keep going, but I'll hold off...

Blizzardman15

11-22-2003, 04:08 PM

All you people are freeking nuts. Reloaded in my favorite movie in the series and I only wish that the others were more like it.

I'm sorry thats not an acceptible excuse anymore... come up with another.

ambrosia

11-22-2003, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by Blizzardman15
All you people are freeking nuts. Reloaded in my favorite movie in the series and I only wish that the others were more like it. AND YES THE PEOPLE THAT HATE IT DO NOT KNOW **** ABOUT IT!!!

Well damn, that just brings it all into focus. We don't know **** about it. I never thought of it that way.

Pure genius.

*Sarcasm switch stuck in on* Oh, that's just dandy. Just peachy keen.

ambrosia

11-22-2003, 05:10 PM

BTW, I feel that I personally let my hopes go up too high for this movie. Something I promised myself not to do but I did anyways.
In the end, my silly fault.

Evilution

11-22-2003, 05:13 PM

I could understand why some people didn't like Revolutions, but to call it a "Failure," where did you come up with this conclusion? If you're talking financially, Revolutions is pure profit...Reloaded made enough back to cover productions costs for both movies. Every penny Revolutions make is all money in the bank as far as WB+WB (Warner Bros+Wachowski Bros) are concerned. If you're talking critically, then you need to get your own set of opinions because we all know that Critics review don't mean ****. Whether you liked it or hated it...it's all subjective, and in my opinion the Wachowski Bros did a fine job by not conforming themselves to what "We" wanted. Sure it didn't blow the lid of box office receipts, but in the end, Warner Bros made their money back (and then some), and the Wachowski Bros made a film that they wanted to. How this is considered a failure? Beats me. You can bash a film because you didn't like, but to undermine the Wachowski Bros intent and to call Revolutions a failure is totally asinine.

downflow311

11-22-2003, 05:46 PM

true fan11212

11-22-2003, 11:50 PM

downflow311: I wouldn't call Reloaded terribly received. Hell, I love TPM & AOTC, but those films have far more haters.

tiff_t_t

11-23-2003, 12:32 AM

It's a failure to certain people since so many fans are let down. I think Reloaded only made a lot of money because of the hype and because true fans went back to see it... I did. I went twice. Unfortunately, I went twice because I couldn't believe that it was as bad as I had thought on my way out. I thought, maybe I was just in a bad mood or distracted or something. Nope. Damn it. And then Revolutions put the nail in the coffin. Now, some people LOVE the movies, and that's fine and they're entitled to that opinion. But for the other people, the disappointment far out weighs the good points, and because The Matrix was sooo strong, the disappointment is that much stronger, hence the virulent oppositions on all the boards.

todd philip

11-23-2003, 12:48 AM

i could care less how much it makes, cause i know one thing for sure, and that is, I LIKE IT! And to me, thats all that matters!
if it entertains me, which REVO did, i like it!

LOTRNUT04

11-23-2003, 12:49 AM

sorry to say, but after the original, this series went off the deep end. The last 2 movies sucked...

Ap2000

11-23-2003, 08:58 AM

I love the dialogues in Reloaded, some may say they are too complicated, but i love them, BECAUSE THEY ARE SO COMPLEX...

tiff_t_t

11-23-2003, 04:01 PM

The Architect convo and maybe the Merv's are nice and complex... but it's the other dialogue that's campy (You mean, we need the machines and the machines need us???!) and irksome. I think that's what people are complaining about.

superxero88

11-23-2003, 04:03 PM

i think this is great. no one likes a movie with a large domestic body odor.

:D

Baadshah

11-23-2003, 07:35 PM

what's with the extra space?

Pointy Shrub

11-23-2003, 08:48 PM

i thought Reloaded was ok,
so when i saw revolutions i was expecting big fights and a great ending, something to really IMPROVE on reloaded. the zion battle was focused on too much and there was little kung-fu.

i am a fan of the matrix, but once the ending credits strated to roll i looked at my girlfriend and said that was crap!

i'll see it again but on DVD.