After the recent reviews, do you think Revolutions will suck??? [Archive]

neo2747

10-31-2003, 06:54 PM

I myself will probably love revolutions. I'm not sure about the ending everyones seems to give but i am sure i will understand it when i see the film. It looks good and i will most probably like it because i understood reloaded almost right away. Like fanible said, the people who have reviewed it and have given it bad more than likely didnt understand reloaded thus understanding the influence it may have on revolutions. And i reckon it all comes down to choice and love myself (think back to what the architect said(vis - a - vie, love. He had the cjhoice to save trinity or watch her die and he made a choice and now he has to make sure it doesnt happen anyother way!))

Hey fanible, you have replied to every single one of my threads

adt100

10-31-2003, 07:03 PM

I had really contemplated that it would 'suck' at all. After being disappointed with Reloaded I thought there was only 1 way Revolutions could go, and that it would be a worthy end to the sequel.

A few of the reviews I have seen however are getting me a little worried. I'm sure it will look fantastic on the big screen, but will it be all mouth and no trousers? (so to speak). 5 more days and I should have my answer.

downflow311

10-31-2003, 07:06 PM

i think we all need to lower our expectations. that will help out alot.

Fanible

10-31-2003, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by neo2747

Hey fanible, you have replied to every single one of my threads
That's good to know ;)

I think the bad reviews will definitly help lower some expectations. *sigh

soremekun

10-31-2003, 08:48 PM

Some of the reviews are bogus. Scroll down and look for the bold red type:
http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=16340

Fanible

11-01-2003, 04:28 AM

Well duh. AICN will post any crap that gets sent to them.

adt100

11-01-2003, 05:20 AM

It is entirely possible that just as many positive reviews are bogus as negative reviews are. It works both ways unfortunately.

The Moose

11-01-2003, 05:36 AM

i think it will be good. better than reloaded, but not quite as good as Matrix

XtRaVa

11-01-2003, 08:52 AM

only currently 11 no's to 7 yes'...what the hell?!?

Diabolous-ex

11-01-2003, 08:55 AM

No.

&

Yes.

JackBauer

11-01-2003, 11:28 AM

i think i'm gonna like it, but it won't be what i expected

downflow311

11-01-2003, 11:36 AM

what makes me mad the most is no twins. :mad:

Thomas Anderson

11-01-2003, 12:09 PM

I think I am just gonna enjoy it as much or even more than Reloaded.

freakyplatypus

11-01-2003, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by downflow311
what makes me mad the most is no twins. :mad:
What part would've they had possibly played in the story?
None at all! Don't be made because they is less filler!

adt100

11-01-2003, 12:14 PM

Maybe if I say it will suck then I will come out of the cinema pleasantly surprised. :)

NE0

11-01-2003, 12:16 PM

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!

God, I hope this is just a nightmare and I'm going to wake up and everything will be fine with this film.

downflow311

11-01-2003, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by adt100
Maybe if I say it will suck then I will come out of the cinema pleasantly surprised. :)

thats what im thinking. if you lower your expectations, then you could come out of the theater happy.

Spooky

11-01-2003, 08:50 PM

It wil be good it just can't suck

Glordreen

11-01-2003, 09:19 PM

I dont see how it could suck. People say Reloaded was bad and I loved it. I say the same for Revolutions.

Fanible

11-01-2003, 09:25 PM

Well thats what ive been saying. The only reviews ive seen is from people that disliked Reloaded, and disliked Revolutions also. Or people that disliked Reloaded, but like Revolutions. Or people that liked both.

So because of that, chances are we'll like it. If it's good enough to make some people that disliked Reloaded, liked Revolutions, then thats pretty good. And we disagree with all the people that disliked Reloaded, so their opinion on if they disliked Revolutions doesn't matter.

*shrugs
Just my thought on it.

kylesmile

11-01-2003, 11:15 PM

I think it will be OK, on par with Reloaded. But nowhere near as good as The Matrix.

It should be visually stunning, though.

Rabbit12

11-02-2003, 07:05 AM

i think what ruined reloaded for me was that i read so many bad reviews, that when i saw it, i was looking ,without meaning to, for the reasons those reviewers had said what they said. I did see the reasons , but it wasnt as disasterous as i sadly thought it would be.
Putting all the bad reviews out of my mind, i enjoyed it a lot, and will suspect that it will be the same with revoulotions.
I guess it wont be as fanastic as the first but will b better than the second. and besides the second and third are one long movie and if u c like this u will enjoy it!

Boods

11-02-2003, 08:03 AM

i think its gonna be amazing ... although it does have a huge chance of sucking ... its no ROTK !!!

FrankTheBunny

11-02-2003, 12:05 PM

I'm going to enjoy Revolutions just as much as I did Reloaded. And the thing I'm looking towards is the closure, how is the story going to be concluded. Thankfully I've been staying fairly spoiler free for this movie, so it'll be all good. ;)

NE0

11-02-2003, 01:00 PM

Hahha. As it goes right now I think it's going to be a BIG GIANT LETDOWN.

I'm waiting to see the film. I want to see the reactions of the rest of you before I go waste $7.50

downflow311

11-02-2003, 03:25 PM

go read the 4 reviews posted at http://www.rottentomatoes.com

all negative unfortunately. Revolutions is shaping up to be a huge disappointment.

true fan11212

11-02-2003, 04:09 PM

Considering I don't hold much stock in reviews, I really don't know how Revolutions is going to turn out. I have three levels of expectation. One is for it to be the best of the three, but that's unlikely. The Second is for it to be better than Reloaded, which I think it could be. The third is that it will be like most third fillms in a saga and be the worst... I'll see which one it'll be soon...

kel thuzad

11-02-2003, 04:14 PM

I have my faith in Revolutions up untill 5:08 pm on the 5th of Nov...then i can tell.

doc alex

11-02-2003, 05:55 PM

What I am wondering is, why aren't there any more reviews online, especially from the "big" reviewers like Ebert, Turan, Berardinelli, Clinton etc? Their opinion will give a MUCH better indication of the critical reception of the movie and could also indicate the quality of the movie (which is of course subjective) However, if Matrix Revolution receives worse reviews than Matrix Reloaded (which received average reviews) things won't be too good for its WOM or oscar chances (in the technical awards)

soremekun

11-02-2003, 08:18 PM

Anyone who claims to have seen Revolutions and says it end like the Dolan script ends is a liar. Dolan, and the script's creator, Benjamin, ackowledged that it is a fake script.

NE0

11-03-2003, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by soremekun
Anyone who claims to have seen Revolutions and says it end like the Dolan script ends is a liar. Dolan, and the script's creator, Benjamin, ackowledged that it is a fake script.

Man, where are you hearing this crap? From what I've heard and now seen with the new TV spot it looks like they aren't lying.

I would love to believe that what your saying is true. But your either behind on the news or just plain trying to create more confussion in order to get people's hopes back up that this won't suck.

Elizar

11-03-2003, 03:22 AM

Originally posted by Boods
i think its gonna be amazing ... although it does have a huge chance of sucking ... its no ROTK !!!

ROTK is a giant waste of time as is the trilogy. It explores nothing except the homosexual undertone of Sam and Frodo's relationship. I would hope the film puts across how redundant everything was.

SPOILER

Namely the friggin bird that saved gandalf and in the end Frodo. Is middle-earth populated by idiots? Use the friggin bird and fly over to Mt. Doom and drop the bloody ring in. They travel through the worst places of their surroundings just so they could be saved at the end of the journey by a bird which managed to fly their with no problems whatsoever? Dumbest concept EVER. It wasn't even a story about the journey itself rather than the destination, as the journey was filled with no character evolution at all. Nearly all of them were two-dimensional archetypes stolen from countless myth's. No real original thought either. Hell the two bad guys coincedently have almost the same name (saruman/sauron) phoenetically (sp?).

I have already been more entertained by the few clips of revolutions we have seen than anything from LOTR, the star wars prequels or much of the vaunted trilogies hanging around.

D-fence

11-03-2003, 06:29 AM

Does anyone remember the Hype before Phantom Menace came out? And that movie didn't do it for ALLOT of people back in 1999! I fear Revolutions will be the same, except this time the blow won't be that hard, because it isn't the ONLY hyped up film of the year. I'm sorry to say so Elizar, but the honour of most anticipated motion picture still goes to RotK if 90% of the viewing public is concerned.

Although I must admit: If Revolutions is the masterpiece I hope it to be, my year will be perfect! It's only that, after the negative reviews, I'm getting more and more frightened by the day :(

Elizar

11-03-2003, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by D-fence
Does anyone remember the Hype before Phantom Menace came out? And that movie didn't do it for ALLOT of people back in 1999! I fear Revolutions will be the same, except this time the blow won't be that hard, because it isn't the ONLY hyped up film of the year. I'm sorry to say so Elizar, but the honour of most anticipated motion picture still goes to RotK if 90% of the viewing public is concerned.

Although I must admit: If Revolutions is the masterpiece I hope it to be, my year will be perfect! It's only that, after the negative reviews, I'm getting more and more frightened by the day :(

The hype for revolutions hasn't been as amped, most of it is quite relaxed. I think they have only ever said it is a much better film than reloaded and answers all questions. That's not really hype. Phantom menace promised at the very least, mediocrity. We didn't even get that. Revolutions is coming out the same year as reloaded... I'm not sure I follow your hyping logic.

Most anticipated, sure. That doesn't negate what I said. I'm anticipating spidey 2 more than matrix by a few thousand times, doesn't mean to say it will turn out to be the better film. ROTK in the book was really bad in my humble opinion. The film may be a lot better, certainly the other films were despite the idiotic casting of Elijah, Viggo (king of men my arse) etc.. The film should change a lot in order to make an actually good film. Sauron being an eye that in the end does ***** all is the lamest idea for a villain ever, the LOTR movie intro made him into something to be feared. The ending is just so obvious the moment Smeagal shows up that there is little point by the time it actually arrives. Made more so by the dumbest plot hole in history IMO, the bird flying to mount. doom to save Frodo because the journey to mount. doom had taken away from him so much.... just... ugh.

Well if the dolan version is true, then it is deserving of those bad reviews. Still, the clips I have seen as I said have entertained me more than anything else in scope.

true fan11212

11-03-2003, 07:52 AM

Firstly, I wasn't disappointed by TPM. Its a great film, IMHO. Nextly, I'm hoping Revolutions is a great film, but Reloaded didn't make that case for it too great. Lastly, I CAN'T agree with you on LOTR and ROTK. Both films have been great so far, and Viggo & Elijah were made for their parts, IMHO. ROTK as a book was also a pretty good read for me. And for that, I believe ROTK will be the best of the three films.

Elizar

11-03-2003, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by true fan11212
Firstly, I wasn't disappointed by TPM. Its a great film, IMHO. Nextly, I'm hoping Revolutions is a great film, but Reloaded didn't make that case for it too great. Lastly, I CAN'T agree with you on LOTR and ROTK. Both films have been great so far, and Viggo & Elijah were made for their parts, IMHO. ROTK as a book was also a pretty good read for me. And for that, I believe ROTK will be the best of the three films.

What specifically was great about it? I would like to know as I must have missed it. Some multi-layered plot I am yet to see?

I liked the other movies, the book sucks arse in all area's (pacing, characters, direction, focus, dialogue... etc.) IMO but the movies were good fun. Viggo is a terrible actor, can't recall the title (I think it is darkly moon... has Ben Fraser) but that movie alone shows why he should be thrown out from the acting community. ANYBODY would have been better to play Aragorn. First of all, he should be English as that is the whole point of LOTR in the first place (not that it achieves it in anyway, King Arthur is still far better). The only things in the book that were remotely interesting were Tom, Treebeard and Gollum. All except gollum were ripped out from the movie for action sequences that in the book were like a few pages. Still as I said the movies were enjoyable as they went with action over the failed storyline. I can't disagree more, I thought ROTK was the worst of the three. Only thing I could find to like was the witchking who was in it for a handful of lines. Everything else was predictable, pointless or just plain bad. Hobbits able to run around the heart of the evil without so much as a "you shouldn't be here". I really hope the movie has sauron reform or anything that could be mildly interesting.

soremekun

11-03-2003, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by NE0
Man, where are you hearing this crap? From what I've heard and now seen with the new TV spot it looks like they aren't lying.

I would love to believe that what your saying is true. But your either behind on the news or just plain trying to create more confussion in order to get people's hopes back up that this won't suck.

Check out my Dolan script thread. Hopefully this will answer your questions.

kel thuzad

11-03-2003, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by Elizar
ROTK is a giant waste of time as is the trilogy. It explores nothing except the homosexual undertone of Sam and Frodo's relationship. I would hope the film puts across how redundant everything was.

SPOILER

Namely the friggin bird that saved gandalf and in the end Frodo. Is middle-earth populated by idiots? Use the friggin bird and fly over to Mt. Doom and drop the bloody ring in. They travel through the worst places of their surroundings just so they could be saved at the end of the journey by a bird which managed to fly their with no problems whatsoever? Dumbest concept EVER. It wasn't even a story about the journey itself rather than the destination, as the journey was filled with no character evolution at all. Nearly all of them were two-dimensional archetypes stolen from countless myth's. No real original thought either. Hell the two bad guys coincedently have almost the same name (saruman/sauron) phoenetically (sp?).

I have already been more entertained by the few clips of revolutions we have seen than anything from LOTR, the star wars prequels or much of the vaunted trilogies hanging around.
strange...

true fan11212

11-03-2003, 11:48 AM

Elizar: Again, I said TPM was great IMHO. In other words, I enjoyed it while others did not. Despite what others thought, I believe TPM was a great mix of politics and mythical adventure. I enjoyed the characters, even Jar Jar Binks. I'm not saying it doesn't have its flaws -all films do- but those flaws, IMHO, are so small that I can overlook them.

As for LOTR, I haven't read FOTR, but TTT and ROTK were pretty good books, IMHO, with very good stories, interesting characters and dialogue. Is the dialogue the second coming of Pulp Fiction's? No, but it is effective and serves the story well, IMHO...

Movie wise, I BELIEVE the LOTR are a great example of mixing great storytelling(aided by the great acting of its cast, including Viggo Mortensen), with great action... Your comments about Viggo not being good for the role because he's english leaves me somewhat divided... While the character is English, that doesn't mean that he can't portray him well. Look a Hugh Jackman, he's an aussie but he plays Wolverine very well.

soremekun

11-03-2003, 11:53 AM

How did I end up in a LOTR thread?

true fan11212

11-03-2003, 11:57 AM

Good point, sorry.

jediknight

11-03-2003, 12:07 PM

AICN has a new review up, but the person has no concept of the matrix, in his post he puts. Soon, Neo goes to see the Oracle, who was revealed in Reloaded to be a program, just like Neo. I'm curious to see how true matrix fans take this.

Elizar

11-03-2003, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by true fan11212
Elizar: Again, I said TPM was great IMHO. In other words, I enjoyed it while others did not. Despite what others thought, I believe TPM was a great mix of politics and mythical adventure. I enjoyed the characters, even Jar Jar Binks. I'm not saying it doesn't have its flaws -all films do- but those flaws, IMHO, are so small that I can overlook them.

As for LOTR, I haven't read FOTR, but TTT and ROTK were pretty good books, IMHO, with very good stories, interesting characters and dialogue. Is the dialogue the second coming of Pulp Fiction's? No, but it is effective and serves the story well, IMHO...

Movie wise, I BELIEVE the LOTR are a great example of mixing great storytelling(aided by the great acting of its cast, including Viggo Mortensen), with great action... Your comments about Viggo not being good for the role because he's english leaves me somewhat divided... While the character is English, that doesn't mean that he can't portray him well. Look a Hugh Jackman, he's an aussie but he plays Wolverine very well.

Ok, I understand that I just don't understand which part you enjoyed. What did you think of AOTC then? I thought that was worse, while most consider it better.

That's strange, why did you read the other two but not FOTR? Seem's like it would be hard to jump in at TTT. They're not terrible I guess, just that I think there are even TV-tie in novels that are better crafted.

Well it was just an example of what I meant. I'd be happy with many different people playing aragorn who weren't English. The character isn't really english, as middle-earth isn't in England. But the general purpose was to create an English myth that was ours and not involving other's, like King Arthur is influenced by the French. So I would thought it prefered to cast an English actor, certainly I know of many that are far better actors than Viggo. I could understand if he was a better actor to cast him over an English equivalent, but he really isn't. Every scene with him in is contrived and forced. Its not like their are other qualities either, he isn't a great swordsman or the best look... really doesn't look like the even really bothered that much in casting him. That they settled, which I can understand given the scope and the amount of work involved with no clear signs of success at the time. Sean bean would have made a much better Aragorn, a far superior actor and stole the LOTR show as far as I am concerned.

Kel - Which part? ;)

adt100

11-03-2003, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by jediknight
AICN has a new review up, but the person has no concept of the matrix, in his post he puts. . I'm curious to see how true matrix fans take this.

Haven't seen that review, yet, but do you have to be a 'true' Matrix fan in order to watch the film and write a review of it?

soremekun

11-03-2003, 03:51 PM

No, but it helps so you know what you're talking about. Also, someone who doesn't understand it may trash it.

Kris Hodgson

11-03-2003, 03:52 PM

I could care less what the reviews say. I know I'll enjoy it, and that's all I care about.

doc alex

11-03-2003, 03:53 PM

Look Elizar... You obviously dislike the LOTR books but give it a rest already... They may not be for everyone nor should they be, but the fact is they are considered by many to be some of the best books of the 20th century and equal to scope to the Homeric fables (if you know what they are) It is a mythology Tolkien created... if you can't get that too bad for you...

All your comments about Viggo indicate you know **** about cinema so your opinion is worthless by default... Every critic and every person who has seen the movie LOVES Viggo as Aragorn... They must ALL be wrong, huh?

Other than that, this is a Matrix forum Trashing LOTR doesn't make them inferior books / movies nor will it improve Revolutions' quality IF the movie is bad... It just makes you look biased and insignificant... You are an -ism!

The bad thing about the internet is that you have to endure the drivel of people that in real life you wouldn't even bother with. Now let's get back to business, shall we? Matrix in 3 days.. LOTR in 43 days!!!!!! :)

soremekun

11-03-2003, 04:00 PM

freakyplatypus

11-03-2003, 04:09 PM

Dude. I don't wanna hear another Matrix/LOTR arguement.

doc alex

11-03-2003, 04:15 PM

Hey, if someone can't take the heat, he shouldn't play with matches. I didn't start the discussion on LOTR, did I? However, the drivel of some people should be addressed... If you're umcomfortable with my views...
...tell it to someone who gives a damn. Keep yourself busy with an alternate ending to Revolutions, without knowing the first one yet...

PS. If I am in a foul mood is because I got stung by a needle in hospital yesterday and am pissed off ever since... Don't mess me today people...

Now, can't we all just get along?

doc alex

11-03-2003, 04:22 PM

Also I think that Matrix Vs. LOTR Vs. SW Vs. Whatever is the stupidest thing people with minimal interests bother with... So... after my rant... let's all make an oath as mature adults to not bring this matter back... as there is no answer and people only get pissed off over nothing...

This afterthought is after I swallowed my Valium for the day! Just kidding folks... :)

jediknight

11-03-2003, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by adt100
Haven't seen that review, yet, but do you have to be a 'true' Matrix fan in order to watch the film and write a review of it?

No, you don't. Just like you don't have to read the books to be a Lord of the Rings fan. I bring LOTR up because most of your posts are in that board and you seem very knowledgeable of the subject matter. If you weren't knowledgeable of the subject matter, would you enjoy the movie as much? I know I wouldn't enjoy LOTR as much if I hadn't read the books, I couldn't appreciate the complexty of making the book into a screenplay.

Now, back to the original question. You don't have to know every characters name and memorize lines from the movie to be a true fan. But a true fan would know who was a human and who was a program. If you watched the first movie, he woke up in the pods. I'm not bashing him for his review, nor am i bashing him at all. I'm simply stating, I want to see what the people "who memorize the lines" think of the movie

soremekun

11-03-2003, 04:25 PM

Hmmm, so you didn't like my alternate ending theory, huh?

doc alex

11-03-2003, 04:27 PM

soremekun

11-03-2003, 04:30 PM

deja vu

adt100

11-03-2003, 04:57 PM

Only 2 more days and we should all have our answers.

The Lizard

11-03-2003, 05:02 PM

For those who don't subscribe to EW---

Entertainment Weekly's Lisa Schwartzbaum gives Revolutions a C+ :

MINOR SPOILERS

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''Where is this going? Where does it end?'' ''Cookies need love like everything else.'' ''He did it! He saved us! He ended the war! The Machines are gone!'' ''What ze hell?!?''

That last pronouncement, delivered in a full, fruity bouquet of an accent by Lambert Wilson as the satanic bon vivant known as the Merovingian, is less pithy than the usual level of discourse in The Matrix Revolutions. But after the final rain-soaked showdown between Neo (Keanu Reeves) and his indefatigable opponent Agent Smith (Hugo Weaving) in this winded conclusion to the Wachowski brothers' epic sci-fi trilogy, ze hell of it is this: There's little philosophical distinction between the needs of dessert pastries and those of the good people of Zion in their hemp couture.

It seems clearer than ever that these ardent Zionists are brave pre-Christians yearning for a savior to deliver them from evil. And that Niobe (Jada Pinkett Smith), who doesn't believe in The One but believes in Neo, represents a certain kind of convert while Morpheus (Laurence Fishburne), emerging from a spiritual crisis in the last episode, is another. And that no one should attempt to make sense of the previous two sentences without first having seen ''The Matrix Reloaded.''

So here's a mystery for the faithful: Why does resurrection and salvation -- the ''Matrix'' payoff -- here feel more like a religious obligation than a triumphant revelation? There's relatively less of the clunky alternation of big action and static speechifying that stalled ''Reloaded.'' But there's also less storytelling fervor from the Wachowskis as their hugely influential Big Bang of a movie notion settles for rigged explosions in its final volley.

Among its better tricks, ''Matrix Revolutions'' finally gets the love-story subplot of Neo and Trinity (Carrie-Anne Moss) in the right proportion: There's little of it, as befits the utter monotony of the characters. (The Machines exhibit more passion than these two chess pieces.) The filmmakers have also come up with an inspired solution to the death of actress Gloria Foster, who was so outstanding in the role of The Oracle, by gently slipping in a fine Mary Alice to play up the seer's grandmotherliness. (Representing Eastern religious philosophy, the old woman explains that she now wears a new ''shell.'') And Pinkett Smith finally gets the spotlight she deserves for her Niobe, who is as spunky and appealing as Trinity is pained and cold.

''Revolutions'' features a snazzy, ''Star Wars''-y invasion of Zion by Sentinels (and hard-working CGI guys), with much charging and clanging, as well as diverting, Xena-like heroics by Nona Gaye and Rachel Blackman as a couple of buff, weapon-wielding citizens who fight as bravely as any man. It also features a dangerous rallying cry, ''Everything that has a beginning has an end'' -- risky, because the congregational response may well be, Hallelujah.

(Posted:11/03/03)

Elizar

11-03-2003, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by doc alex
Look Elizar... You obviously dislike the LOTR books but give it a rest already... They may not be for everyone nor should they be, but the fact is they are considered by many to be some of the best books of the 20th century and equal to scope to the Homeric fables (if you know what they are) It is a mythology Tolkien created... if you can't get that too bad for you...

All your comments about Viggo indicate you know **** about cinema so your opinion is worthless by default... Every critic and every person who has seen the movie LOVES Viggo as Aragorn... They must ALL be wrong, huh?

Other than that, this is a Matrix forum Trashing LOTR doesn't make them inferior books / movies nor will it improve Revolutions' quality IF the movie is bad... It just makes you look biased and insignificant... You are an -ism!

The bad thing about the internet is that you have to endure the drivel of people that in real life you wouldn't even bother with. Now let's get back to business, shall we? Matrix in 3 days.. LOTR in 43 days!!!!!! :)

It was stated that LOTR was going to be better recieved, and I simply said that I wouldn't as not much could beat ROTK in terms of sheer disappointment. Did I not just say it was to create a myth for England to call their own... how exactly can I not get something I said before you? Nice try though.

Oh yes, I am sorry... I forgot that having a bad opinion on a single actor indicates your worth in cinematic experience. How right you are. With logic like that, it's a wonder you are able to use the internet without exploding... AOL user by chance? What is even more entertaining is that you refer to every person liking Viggo as a defence to me not liking Viggo. Brilliant strategem. Ah, and the old majoritive opinion is the correct one angle. It is not like history has shown that to be a retarded position, no sir. Are you saying you have never disliked something everyone seemed to love? If so, what a world you must live in. Diverse and opinionated is for devil-worshipers eh? I like that instead of proving your point, your attack my worth of opinion and thus justifying your own worth of opinion as something that matters as well. With no real basis for either position, but hey you and logic aren't mixing well tonight so whats to expect.

I didn't bring up LOTR, so if you want to address that to anyone it isn't me. I never used it to justify revolutions or anything of the sort just stated that I was more entertained by the trailers for revolutions than anything in LOTR, which is true. That isn't to say I have a high opinion of revolutions, as I don't have a good opinion of LOTR. So being better than LOTR in my mind is not saying much. But I don't think it will suck is generally the idea. Matrix doesn't rank anywhere near my top movies, so I don't have a pressing bias to put all things non-matrix down.

I note you failed remarkably in proving anything was drivel except your amazing Viggo is great speech with the oh so convincing "all the critics and everyone think he's great... so manly... ". Without producing a single shred of evidence for it. Kinda discounting the use of the word 'proof'. So let me get this straight, in real life you don't have the option of not listening/reading, turning it off, leaving and so forth yet you are unable to contain yourself here rather than real life? Uhuh. Fine with me, tell it to the guy commenting on LOTR's worth in a matrix forum in the first place.

Rabbit12

11-03-2003, 05:57 PM

Ok people, start a new thread between the two of u if ure gonna keep going on about the viggo thing! and about the review above..........well, it doesnt really bother me as i saw all those types of reviews for reloaded, but i still liked it.....so it will b the same with revouloutions(if thats how u spell it lol)........

freakyplatypus

11-03-2003, 06:14 PM

Interesting - Is that all Lisa wrote? She didn't give many reasons why she gave it a C+

doc alex

11-03-2003, 07:29 PM

alright Elizar...I reckon we should call it quits... I didn't feel like stating why Viggo's work as Aragorn is great, I thought that any person with an understanding of basic things like plot, acting, emoting really connects with the character... As my acquaintances are people with a higher education, they grasp those ideas...

Alas, I don't feel I need to continue this anymore as we are clearly on a different wavelength... The problem is that I know people who are philosophy majors and i have discussed the Matrix philosophy with them... And the verdict isn't pretty. Anyways, as in "real life" I probably wouldn't bother having any sort of conversation with you, let's leave it at that and discuss our ideas with people we actually give a damn about...

PS Nobody with a straight face can pass judgement on acting on the LOTR trilogy... (Ian McKellen, Ian Holm, Cate Blanchett, Hugo Weaving, Elijah Wood, Christopher Lee AND Viggo Mortensen) and still like the acting in the Matrix trilogy. Because you are an idiot doesn't mean the rest of the world must follow... I am never one to follow the popular opinion... I DO however have the intelligence to say this is only MY opinion... For example: even though I realize the brilliance of Scorcese movies, I feel that Cubrick is a director I connect to more... But I am not going to say that Scorsece is a bad director... That would make me an -ism like you. Also, I'm Greek... Drama is in my blood. We also know our philosophy as we friggin' invented the thing! :)

Now, go back to asking if people would like fries with their burger and trouble me no more...

To quote LOTR: "I didn't pass through fire and death to exchange crude words with a witless worm"

Doc Out

true fan11212

11-04-2003, 11:04 AM

I'm sorry about this everyone, but I have to give Elizar
a response...

I thought AOTC was a better film than TPM overall. To me, I thought that the darker and more isolated story aided it well. AOTC only really weaknesses is some weak lines and the love story(but even that had some good scene).

On LOTR. I read TTT & ROTK after I saw FOTR. And I'm sorry but I find Viggo Mortensen to be very good to great in his role. But to each his/her own.

Lastly, one more day to Revolutions(And with that, I just finished watching The Matrix and I'll watch Reloaded later). I hope I get to see it at Zero Hour, but anything could happen. Also, I'm hoping its the best of the matrix films, but that might be unlikely.