Does Frodo go Blind in RotK ???? (Warning: SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD!!)

[D-fence]

Okay, I know this is al little far fetched to begin with, but then again.. maybe not! Harry was on set for long periods after all.

Anyway.....

I was over at www.Aintitcool.com earlier this day, and read the Matrix Revolutions Review (Will be better then Reloaded, god lets hope so!) and at the very end, Harry said something that had me thinking:

BTW - is this year, the year of Blind Heroes? DAREDEVIL, ONCE UPON A TIME IN MEXICO and MATRIX REVOLUTIONS... and of course with what Peter did... RETURN OF THE KING.... I've said too much. Anyway, that's all for now...

What DID Peter do with Return of the King?? as far as I know Nobody actually goes BLIND in the third book, right??? So the first thing that popped in my mind is: Does Frodo lose his sight after

(SPOILER!!!!)

being Stabbed by Shelob? I mean, could it actually be that Jackson changed this a little so that Frodo has to go BLIND into Mordor, guided by his Sam? If so, this is the first time I heard about it! And IMO it could be a cool change! I know many of the fans will complain about it, but I for one think it COULD (could!) ad to the drama at the end.


Ah well.. maybe I've got this all wrong. Perhaps Jedi could shine some white light on this?? :)

D.

[Turin Turambar]

Wait a minute...

Murdock was BLIND in DAREDEVIL!?!?!? No....

As for ROTK, I have no idea what could cause any character to go blind, but--as I and many others have said--as long as they don't deviate that much from the story then it'll be fine. Making a key character go blind might be going too far.

But maybe it's Bilbo. I mean, he was old when the Fellowship started out.

[Smeagol]

oH MY, Frodo had better not go blind. :rolleyes: :mad:

[HopeBurns]

Someone at AICN suggested it might be ARAGORN who goes temporarily blind after looking into the Palantir. Mmmh...

Isn't it funny just how much speculation is flying around even though the events that take place are all well-known in principal from the book? Maybe PJ *DID* do a good job in straying of the story's main road a little in TTT - it makes the anticipation and anxiety so much more fun this - last - time around. :D

HB

[adt100]

Sounds more than a little odd to me, especially as we are so close to the completion date (about 2 weeks), and we've not heard anything remotely like this 'rumour' from anywhere before. The only possible deviation I've heard in this respect is that the MOS may be blind (a comment by Richard Taylor apparently implies this).

[Smeagol]

Maybe it will only be temporary blindness...as Frodo gets right up close to Mount Doom...then Gollum does his little deed and saves Frodo's sight in the nick of time.

Otherwise, the Mount Doom scene could be quite comical:

Sam: "Mr. Frodo, throw it in the fire!"

Frodo: "Which way is it?" ;)

[Necross]

Sounds to me like this whole blind thing is a stupid rumor. Why would PJ make a character go blind if they didn't in the book? Its not like he would be doing it for the movies sake because he wouldn't need to. I guarantee that no one who wasn't blind in the book won't be blind in the movie. Its just like the unexpected death everyone is talking about. Its not going to happen so everyone should just calm down.

[Glordreen]

No one will go blind, I am sure of it, this is just another stupid rumor.

[D-fence]

Originally posted by Glordreen
No one will go blind, I am sure of it, this is just another stupid rumor.

Then why in H would Harry say something like that? I mean, this is a guy who has BEEN to the set, who has talked to Peter Jackson, who has Frodo's phonenumber! And above all that: HE IS FULL OF HIMSELF!! :) He wouldn't hint at something like this if he didn't want to say to the world: neh neh! I know something YOU don't!

[Glordreen]

I could be wrong, I was just hoping that I was right. I dont know the truth, but I am not worried, because PJ wouldnt do something like that.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

That's a new on me... Maybe it's Pippin after he looks into the palantir...

[adt100]

The fact that Harry let it 'slip out' like that is a bit suspicious in itself to me.

He surely knows the uproar it would cause among fans and across sites such as this if there was such a dramatic change. I suspect that however this situation plays out, it will not in any way be some major change to the characters.

It's either misinterpretation of a scene (perhaps intentionally so) or a much less significant moment that by referencing in such a way he knows will get the rumour mill going.

I'm not worried though.

[HopeBurns]

@ adt100:

I agree. After having given it some thought, I am sure Harry used this once in a lifetime chance to stir the fire, so to speak, with this implication. I am sure it is true one way or another, but not in any way spectacular. Harry made sure he stayed ambiguous enough about it, so his remark might easily be misinterpreted and exaggerated.

HB

[Kyroc]

Maybe we're just reading too deeply into something because just the idea scares us so. But maybe if Frodo did go temporarily blind through parts of Mordor with Sam guiding him. Possibilities are endless....

[HopeBurns]

@ Kyroc:

You know I think you may be right. We have a saying in German that "Wo Informationen fehlen, gedeihen Gerüchte" which means "where there is a lack of information, rumours are bound to grow" and since NLC seems to be rather tight-lipped when it comes to advance information this year, people are practically throwing themselves on everything they can get their hands on.

But still... isn't that fun? :D And let's not forget it is the last time we will be able to do this *sighs*...

HB

[jediknight]

perhaps faramir/eowyn will go blind and aragorn will heal him with the kingsfoil in the house of healing?!? Just guessing.

[Lizwise Gamgee]

Mabe Frodo is blinded by fire going into his eyes after he throws it in (or Gollum throws lava in them to get the ring) and has to live with that instead of missing his finger.

[downflow311]

Frodo wwont be blind after Shelob. we seem him in the trailer with cobwebs all over him after Shelob's lair, and his sight was fine.

i bet it has something to do with the palantir.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

downflow is right, it can't be Frodo. Another thing is that if Frodo goes blind, then how would he able to write in the red book???

It wouldn't make sense...


I like the Faramir idea that jediknight gave. Although I would love it to play out like this:

Faramir suffers his injuires, the poison causes him to go blind. At the houses of healing Eowyn takes care of Faramir, not able to see Faramir can only hear this beautiful voice. Then the poison subsides and then Faramir get his first look at the beautiful eowyn. Then it begins, they fall in love. "love at first sight..."

[Lizwise Gamgee]

Maybe Pippin goes TEMPORARILY blind from the Palantir. Either that or the same with Aragorn.

[adt100]

Don't think it can be Pippin either, after all we see him in the DVD preview at Edoras (presumably not long after looking into the Palantir) when Merry says to him "The enemy think you have the Ring. He's coming for you."

[downflow311]

Originally posted by adt100
Don't think it can be Pippin either, after all we see him in the DVD preview at Edoras (presumably not long after looking into the Palantir) when Merry says to him "The enemy think you have the Ring. He's coming for you."

that rules out pippin.

and since harry said its the year of blind HEROES, i think hes referring to the main character Aragorn. so its aragorn after looking in the palantir.

[LOTRfan]

Originally posted by D-fence
Okay, I know this is al little far fetched to begin with, but then again.. maybe not! Harry was on set for long periods after all.

Anyway.....

I was over at www.Aintitcool.com earlier this day, and read the Matrix Revolutions Review (Will be better then Reloaded, god lets hope so!) and at the very end, Harry said something that had me thinking:

BTW - is this year, the year of Blind Heroes? DAREDEVIL, ONCE UPON A TIME IN MEXICO and MATRIX REVOLUTIONS... and of course with what Peter did... RETURN OF THE KING.... I've said too much. Anyway, that's all for now...

What DID Peter do with Return of the King?? as far as I know Nobody actually goes BLIND in the third book, right??? So the first thing that popped in my mind is: Does Frodo lose his sight after

(SPOILER!!!!)

being Stabbed by Shelob? I mean, could it actually be that Jackson changed this a little so that Frodo has to go BLIND into Mordor, guided by his Sam? If so, this is the first time I heard about it! And IMO it could be a cool change! I know many of the fans will complain about it, but I for one think it COULD (could!) ad to the drama at the end.


Ah well.. maybe I've got this all wrong. Perhaps Jedi could shine some white light on this?? :)

D.
Everyone relax...the reference to ROTK may have just been a joke. But if Harry really thought someone goes blind at one point in LOTR maybe he was referring to what happens in the TT:EE. In the book, Frodo goes temporarily blind when he slips climbing down the rock face. Everything kinda goes dark, and he goes into a type of daze caused by the ring's controlling power, then his sight returns to the relief of Sam. Now *if* that aspect is included in the EE (we know the climb itself is) then it is possible Harry mixed up the release of the EE with ROTK...a bit of difference if you ask me.

And that Aragorn suggestion is I guess possible, as long as it is very temporary, but I doubt it (hopefully).

[adt100]

But then he only looks in it after the BOTPF in Minas Tirith, and in the trailer we see him duign 'The Last Debate' looking perfectly fine.

I think this is far less than we are reading into it, and Harry was expecting as much. ;)

[UnicornBlood3]

I like Jedi's idea about Faramir! :)

[D-fence]

Originally posted by UnicornBlood3
I like Jedi's idea about Faramir! :)

yeah! It's romantic, and wouldn't bother me at the least! Even if it isn't in the books, these are MOVIES, and maybe it's just a really smart way of cutting some time of the Eowyn/Faramir falling in love scene.

Another thing that crossed my mind: In the book Frodo is taken ill every 'anniversary' of the day he was stabbed by the ring wraith at Amon Súl. So maybe Peter put that in the movies but with the slight twist that he goes blind for one day? Until he goes beyond the white towers to move into the west that is.

Just a thought.


On another note: have you guys seen the track listing of the RotK soundtrack yet?! Some pretty great names on there!! :applaud: Can't wait for the song 'into the west'!!

[DolAmroth]

Though I dont think it will really happen. I kinda like the idea of Frodo going blind and Sam having to guide him all the way to Mt Doom.

[adt100]

Oh please no. That would be just too cheesy and pointless IMO.

[ILOVEKATIE]

I like the Faramir/Eowyn story one the most, it could be sweet.

[Brock Landers]

Originally posted by JEDI_THE_WHITE
Faramir suffers his injuires, the poison causes him to go blind. At the houses of healing Eowyn takes care of Faramir, not able to see Faramir can only hear this beautiful voice. Then the poison subsides and then Faramir get his first look at the beautiful eowyn. Then it begins, they fall in love. "love at first sight..."

WOW man....that was deep.....

**sniff, sniff**

:(

[king_of_hetzer]

Oooooooooooh why not have Gandalf go blind? :)

[Lizwise Gamgee]

Maybe Merry goes blind after the encounter with the Witch King.

[JEDI_THE_WHITE]

Originally posted by Brock Landers
WOW man....that was deep.....

**sniff, sniff**

:(

Thank you...:)

[Samwise Gamwich]

Originally posted by Lizwise Gamgee
Mabe Frodo is blinded by fire going into his eyes after he throws it in (or Gollum throws lava in them to get the ring) and has to live with that instead of missing his finger.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!

Say it aint so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kyroc]

I thought Frodo got sick on the anniversary of the Shelob sting not the Witch King stabbing.... ?

[The Moose]

frodo definitely did get sick on the anniversary of being stabbed by WiKi, but i'm not sure about shelob.

IMO, i think it's pippin who may go blind (if it turns of not to be a rumour) due to his looking into the Palantir. Aragorn had the power within himself to stand up to the will of Sauron, but Pippin doesn't have that same degree of power, and may go blind formaybe a few minutes or so

[adt100]

I think nobody goes blind. Maybe Harry just got mixed up when he heard that Viggo was going Blonde.

[D-fence]

Originally posted by adt100
I think nobody goes blind. Maybe Harry just got mixed up when he heard that Viggo was going Blonde.

:D gggggg...

[Ryvyan]

I thought Frodo felt the pain on the anniversary the Ring was destroyed??

Because all the wounds he inflicted was all caused by the Ring...

[doc alex]

The most logical thing to happen is for Frodo to go blind after Shelob stings him... and Frodo could remain blind for the entirety of the climb to Mt Doom, until he does you know what when he regains his sight in the Wraithworld. And then the first thing he sees is Gollum coming right at him! Sounds cool!

Of course I could be entirely mistaken :)

[Necross]

I like the Faramir idea from Jedi. That would be great. Other than that I don't see it happening. What's the point? I doubt PJ would just go, "Hey guys lets make someone go blind! Wouldn't that be coolies!"

[doc alex]

Hey Necross? Are you by any chance Greek? Cause your name means "dead" in Greek... If u are cool ! If not, an interesting bit of trivia for you!

[D-fence]

The most logical thing for me would be for Frodo to go blind only a few SCENES after Shelob stabs him.

SPOILERS!!

First he Appears dead, and Sam mourns him.
After what must be an emotional scene, Sam leave Frodo's body to end the journey alone, but before he has time to take more then a few steps, he hears voices: The Orcs that will bring Frodo's comatose body the their Tower! Sam follows, and after passing the watchers finds the Tower filled with dead bodies (we all know WHY right?) Anyway, he eventually finds Frodo in a dark room above a trap door, en he tries to get Frodo to go with him. But Frodo is very weak. He opens his eyes, and they appear to be filled with blood. Frodo opens his mouth and whispers:

"Sam?... I can't see.. I can't see Sam... My sight has left me.."

Frodo has gone blind, and Sam fears the worst. They stumble down the ladder, Sam trying to keep his master on his feet.. down the stairs they go.. outside, and then they pass the Watchers once again. Sam hold up the light of Elendil; It start to shine bright like the sun. He screams: GILTHONIEL, A Elbereth!!"
And with that pulls Frodo along.. But when they are almost trough the gate, Frodo suddenly halts. Sam looks back at him, his eyes pleading:

"Hurry up mister Frodo!! We have to leave this place!"

But Frodo stands still.. his bloody eyes staring at the elven-glass of Galadriel flaming in Sams fist. Suddenly we stare trough his point of view: A small light in the dark, that grows brighter. Then we hear a voice, like an echo from a past long gone:

"May it be a light for you in dark places, when all other lights.. go
out..."

Frodo speaks weakly.. His eyes still fixed on the Elven-glass in Sams hand.

"I can see it Sam.."

He blinks and looks up at Sams. Then a broad smile appears on his tired face.

"Sam.. I see your face again!.. "

Sam first looks startled, and lowers the light. But then he returns a relieved smile. The light in his hand fades.
Suddenly their is a terrible wail! The Watchers have awakened!
The wail is answered from high above, as Sam and Frodo look up in horror;

The Nazgul have come!!



From here on, the movie follows the book again.

[adt100]

Seems a bit, no, a lot of a pointless idea to me. It serves no real purpose, just some needless change in order to try and create that extra bit of emotion and trauma, which the film shouldn't need.

[Screwu2]

Ok well according to a guy at AICN message boards The Mouth of Sauron is the blind dude. this is the post

From: JacksonsBane
Subject: ROTK Blindness (SPOILERS HERE!)
Comment: The Mouth of Sauron is to be completely blind. Jackson has taken the name literally and has Sauron speaking through this character (thus Mouth of Sauron). He will be wearing a helmet from the nose up, with only his rotting mouth visible. This is not speculation, but fact.

so uh take it as u will.

[Iben]

I can't wait to see the Mouth of Sauron, that scene is gonna kick so much ass!

[adt100]

We know the MOS will be blind, Richard Taylor said as much a while ago, but he's not really a 'hero' is he.

[doc alex]

The truth of the matter is that the only characters that could go blind during the movie (as far as we know of course) are Frodo (after Shelob), Pippin & Aragorn (after Palantir) ,Merry, Eowyn, Faramir (all 3 after getting injured in the battlefield)

Blind Aragorn would change the movie radically (how is he going to fight in the Balck Gate? )

Blind Merry, Pippin, Faramir, Eowyn won't make much difference cause by then they'll have completed the active part of their storylines (they don't do much after getting injured anyway and also we see Pippin in the BOTPF holding Merry so he is OK. So, it's either Faramir or Frodo...
The most sense dramatically is for Frodo to go blind, which is actually a good idea IMHO... That would amplify his total helplessness and Sam's valuable assistance.. The time he loses sight is after Shelob probably, which makes sense (I think that the scene from the trailer is right before Shelob goes after him) and he gets it at some point eventually before or after Gollum does a nice dive...

But what JEDI said sounds good, but I believe that if ANYONE is going to go blind (it's still JUST A RUMOUR) it's going to be poor Frodo

[Queen Arwen]

Originally posted by JEDI_THE_WHITE
downflow is right, it can't be Frodo. Another thing is that if Frodo goes blind, then how would he able to write in the red book???

It wouldn't make sense...


I like the Faramir idea that jediknight gave. Although I would love it to play out like this:

Faramir suffers his injuires, the poison causes him to go blind. At the houses of healing Eowyn takes care of Faramir, not able to see Faramir can only hear this beautiful voice. Then the poison subsides and then Faramir get his first look at the beautiful eowyn. Then it begins, they fall in love. "love at first sight..."

As a romantic, I have to be with Jedi on this one. :applaud: But I must admit that it strikes me as just a tad bit WEIRD, insane, and stupid. I like the way Tolkien does it.

[The Moose]

very probable that it could be MoS. but they i'm wondering how the guy could get mixed up and say that some character GOES blind. indicating that he was not blind in the start of the trilogy, but now is. on this basis, i exclude MoS. IMO, either Pippin or Faramir

[adt100]

I can't believe people are taking this all so seriously.

The MOS is blind, and from what we have discussed there is a possibililty that 1 of the main 'good guys' could temporarily loose sight, but only temporarily, and we're certainly not going to have Sam elading Frodo all the way to Mount Doom like a guide dog. :rolleyes:

[doc alex]

Originally posted by adt100
we're certainly not going to have Sam elading Frodo all the way to Mount Doom like a guide dog. :rolleyes:

"Catch Sam Catch"!

Frodo tosses ring and Sam runs and brings it back to him, tongue hanging out...

"Good boy Sam!"

[UnicornBlood3]

:lol: