Confirmation of some scenes... SPOILERS [Archive]

JEDI_THE_WHITE

10-19-2003, 09:58 PM

Interestingly enough, this confirmation comes from a game. the LOTR Trivia pursuit game.

CONFIRMED: The orcs will be shooting the heads of dead soldiers over the wall of Minas Tirith.

CONFIRMED: My report I gave to you guys a long time ago is correct, Legolas DOES kill wormtounge.

CONFIRMED: This is small spoiler for Theoden's death: Just like the book, Snowmane does attribute to his death. I WON"T ELABORATE more on this scene.;)

Elessar504

10-19-2003, 10:01 PM

Wow,

The orcs will be shooting the heads of dead soldiers over the wall of Minas Tirith, Excellent!!!!

Good news!!

JEDI_THE_WHITE

10-19-2003, 10:03 PM

I just got mine, I played against some neighbors. You know what they said??? They said I am a cheater because I knew too much about ROTK. Whatever... :p

Elessar504

10-19-2003, 10:11 PM

Haha JEDI, Im sorry but its true: you knew too much about
ROTK :-)

kylesmile

10-19-2003, 10:27 PM

I really want to get LOTR Trivial Pursuit. Is it worth it Jedi??? Also, are the questions distributed equally among FOTR, TTT, and ROTK or is it mostly the first two?

Thanks.

Glordreen

10-19-2003, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by JEDI_THE_WHITE
CONFIRMED: The orcs will be shooting the heads of dead soldiers over the wall of Minas Tirith.

Yes!, I love that part in the book.

JEDI_THE_WHITE

10-19-2003, 11:20 PM

Yeah, the game is worth it. It's fun. The questions are evenly spread among TFOTR, TTT, ROTK. Just remember it is the movie versions they are asking about, not the book.

Hey Elessar, your're supposed to be on my side, not my neighbor's, throw me a freakin bone here...;) :p

bmp72178

10-19-2003, 11:22 PM

I'd be surprised to see the heads flying only because the film hasnt gone to the MPAA yet to be rated. Because PJ has to deliver a PG-13 film, that might get the ax.

Glordreen

10-19-2003, 11:31 PM

usually decapitations are rarely in PG-13 movies. But they are in both FOTR and TTT.

DolAmroth

10-19-2003, 11:43 PM

I wonder how there gunna show the orcs catapulting heads over the walls and keeping it PG-13

PsYkOoOoO

10-19-2003, 11:44 PM

alright so legolas kills grima...but HOW is the big qn.

Turin Turambar

10-19-2003, 11:58 PM

My guess is with an arrow.

PsYkOoOoO

10-20-2003, 12:01 AM

there was a rumor a while back...very ridiculous rumor..about legolas' arrow...it flies pass grima..and grima laughs at legolas for missing him..however the arrow somehow turns arnd and shoots grima through the back of the neck...its sounds ridiculous but since it is confirmed that legolas IS killing grima then i am having doubts...i think thats a stupid way of killing of one of the chief villian in the movie..and also...is it confirmed as well that grima kills saruman?

Screwu2

10-20-2003, 12:19 AM

cool info. Nothing too big unfortunatley but I will take little tidbits over nothing. Thx Jedi.

DolAmroth

10-20-2003, 01:49 AM

Originally posted by PsYkOoOoO
there was a rumor a while back...very ridiculous rumor..about legolas' arrow...it flies pass grima..and grima laughs at legolas for missing him..however the arrow somehow turns arnd and shoots grima through the back of the neck...its sounds ridiculous but since it is confirmed that legolas IS killing grima then i am having doubts...i think thats a stupid way of killing of one of the chief villian in the movie..and also...is it confirmed as well that grima kills saruman?

Thats BS I remember the guy that posted that and he just made all that up. My guess is right after Grima kills Saurman he will go insane and charge at someone with the knife but then legolas will quickly put a well placed arrow in his chest.

JEDI_THE_WHITE

10-20-2003, 02:15 AM

Originally posted by DolAmroth
Thats BS I remember the guy that posted that and he just made all that up. My guess is right after Grima kills Saurman he will go insane and charge at someone with the knife but then legolas will quickly put a well placed arrow in his chest.

Yeah that absolutely right, that report was the stupidest thing I ever read, Hey DOL, how 'bout the part that said "sauron flys on a fell beast..." ROTFL

Anyway, yes you are right about how Grima dies, it is an arrow to the chest.

JEDI_THE_WHITE

10-20-2003, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by PsYkOoOoO
and also...is it confirmed as well that grima kills saruman?

Yes, he slits his throat and then I believe he pushes him off the balcony...

The Moose

10-20-2003, 03:27 AM

cool, thanks Jedi. great to know more

Smeagol

10-20-2003, 04:07 AM

Theoden should be killed by the Wiki not an insignificant horse. :alien:

PsYkOoOoO

10-20-2003, 04:18 AM

its not just any horse...its snowmane..mind u

doc alex

10-20-2003, 05:03 AM

I hope that the heads part will be in the movies... It's just a COOL scene that shown how bad-ass the orcs are... And all this ratings crap in the States is driving me sick... The things that kids are exposed to daily in TV and videogames is ten times worse but no-one minds that, do they? Thank God in Europe people are more relaxed about such things

adt100

10-20-2003, 05:27 AM

His death is caused by Wiki though, if only indirectly.

Here's a fuller list from the game that were listed on TORC the other week. Odd that they launched it so early when NL have been trying to crack down on such spoiler info.

The largest creatures Sauron has in the battle fo Pelleanor Fields are the Mumakil.

Aragorn's name changes to Elessar when he becomes king

Bilbo and Frodo leave on the boats to the Undying Lands

Legolas kills Wormtounge

Gollum tells Frodo that Sam is trying to take the ring from him

Sam names his son after Frodo

Frodo gives Sam the Phial after returning to Hobbiton.

Gandalf takes the Palantir on the Ship at the Grey Havens.

Galadriel give her Ring to Arwen beore she leaves.

Pippin receives Faramir’s Gondorian uniform.

Denethor does indeed perish in flames of his “own making”.

Sam becomes Mayor of Hobbiton.

Shelob poisons Frodo with her stinger.

Gandalf leaves the Palantir with Aragorn before leaving for Minas Tirith.

Eowyn decapitates the Witch King.

Aragorn slays the Mouth of Sauron at the Black Gates.

Human heads are catapulted into Minas Tirith.

Sam has both Sting and the Light of Earendil when he emerges out of Shelobs cave.

The tower of Cirith Ungol does have a trap door.

Gandalf does ride the eagle to rescue Frodo at Mount Doom.

Gollum bites off Frodo's finger at Sammath Naur.

Theoden dies as a result of his horse falling on him, like in the books.

Eomer becomes King of Rohan.

Faramir is at the Houses of Healing during the last great battle.

Thankfully most of these things sound very similar to the book, which is good. Hopefully their exectution will match our expectations.

PsYkOoOoO

10-20-2003, 07:23 AM

these are supposed to have spoiler tags right?

Necross

10-20-2003, 07:26 AM

They all sound good enough to me. And I too was also worried about the rating. Everything I have heard or seen would have been given an R rating in other movies especailly several heads flying over a wall, but its Lord of the Rings! It will be PG-13 lol. Well it better bhe anyway.

adt100

10-20-2003, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by PsYkOoOoO
these are supposed to have spoiler tags right?

Not when a thread title has got 'SPOILERS' in it, no.

Otherwise we'd never be able to discuss anything because everything would be blacked out.

Dogbert0228

10-20-2003, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by bmp72178
I'd be surprised to see the heads flying only because the film hasnt gone to the MPAA yet to be rated. Because PJ has to deliver a PG-13 film, that might get the ax.

It will stay in. There have been worse things in PG-13. Violence is the only reason the films are PG-13, and I think that because it's PJ and LOTR, he can feel free to push the limits. And this won't be that gruesome, because that's not the point of the scene, the point is to scare the soldiers and show them what bastards the orcs are...

JEDI_THE_WHITE

10-20-2003, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by Smeagol
Theoden should be killed by the Wiki not an insignificant horse. :alien:

Well, like PsYkOoOoO said, it is not just any horse it is Snowmane. The whole event surrounding the will be a little more dramatic, but still have have the spirit of the book.

downflow311

10-20-2003, 01:30 PM

thanks for the info once again jedi. :applaud:

im so glad the orcs catapulting heads into Minas Tirith is in BOTPF. i bet PJ and crew are just going to show that from a distance with no close-ups and then have a character say that its the heads of their fallen comrades. that way they would get around the PG-13 thing and the audience would have a feel for how gruesome the orcs are.

adt100

10-20-2003, 02:11 PM

Not quite sure why the mods have edited my post to put spoiler tags on when the title has 'SPOILERS' in it and Jedi's post didn't have spoiler tags in it. :confused:

Oh well, nevermind.

UnicornBlood3

10-20-2003, 02:48 PM

Gandalf rescues Frodo on the eagles! Yah! :) I was hoping that would be in there.

Mr. Frodo

10-20-2003, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by downflow311
thanks for the info once again jedi. :applaud:

im so glad the orcs catapulting heads into Minas Tirith is in BOTPF. i bet PJ and crew are just going to show that from a distance with no close-ups and then have a character say that its the heads of their fallen comrades. that way they would get around the PG-13 thing and the audience would have a feel for how gruesome the orcs are.

I don't think that the heads will be a problem ratings wise i mean we already saw a head of an Uruk Hai with a spear through it in TTT where they were burning them.

DolAmroth

10-20-2003, 03:49 PM

ya but its ok to show orcs get their heads choped off and keep it PG-13 cause their orcs but when you show a human get his head choped off thats totaly different.

Mr. Frodo

10-20-2003, 04:01 PM

your probably right. I could care less either way, im gonna see the movie no matter what.

DolAmroth

10-20-2003, 04:18 PM

Well of course why would you even think about not seeing it.

Mr. Frodo

10-20-2003, 04:21 PM

i meant that regardless of the ratings i would see it as i suspect most everyone esle would as well. I think that for this movie ratings are useless.

JEDI_THE_WHITE

10-20-2003, 04:28 PM

I guess if PJ can get away with showing Lurtz being decapitated, then there should be no problem with human heads being catapulted over the walls of MT.

Shagrat

10-20-2003, 04:48 PM

Jedi I'm new here but I was just wondering if you could confirm something for me. Will Wargs be at Pelennor Fields or the Black Gate? Only I noticed on Games Workshop's website that they were releasing a 'Forces of the Dark Lord' set for ROTK with Wargs in and if you stop the trailer at the scene where Gandalf looks out from the walls of Minas Tirith and sees the army of Mordor it looks like an orc is mounted at the front, presumably on a Warg. Thanks.

Also, if you find the time could you please look at the Two Towers DVD thread and try and answer my questions about the Extended Edition if you can? I'd be very appreciative.

DolAmroth

10-20-2003, 04:54 PM

I would imagine there are wargs in the battles espeacilly the Pelennor fields and I did see that warg walking around in front of the orcs when Gandalf looks out from the city walls

Necross

10-20-2003, 05:14 PM

Cool I didn't notice the warg, but I did after reading this. This movie is gonna be the best ever. If it doesn't win picture of the year there will be hell to pay! Not that anyone such as PJ would really care, but I want some major acknowlegement for this movie to shut up anyone who thinks it will suck. Evil people they are.

LOTRfan

10-20-2003, 07:24 PM

Originally posted by Smeagol
Theoden should be killed by the Wiki not an insignificant horse. :alien:
I liked the horse factor in the book. It provided a nice ironic twist on Tolkien's part. King of Rohan, horse-master and ruler, killed by his horse...it's like the expression "killed by your own sword." Fine by me...

JEDI_THE_WHITE

10-20-2003, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by Shagrat
Jedi I'm new here but I was just wondering if you could confirm something for me. Will Wargs be at Pelennor Fields or the Black Gate? Only I noticed on Games Workshop's website that they were releasing a 'Forces of the Dark Lord' set for ROTK with Wargs in and if you stop the trailer at the scene where Gandalf looks out from the walls of Minas Tirith and sees the army of Mordor it looks like an orc is mounted at the front, presumably on a Warg. Thanks.

Also, if you find the time could you please look at the Two Towers DVD thread and try and answer my questions about the Extended Edition if you can? I'd be very appreciative.

I am not sure, it is intersting that you mention GAMES WORKSHOP, I have been following their ROTK line up also. There are characters that they will be releasing, that I was unaware that would be in the film. I think I saw Elronds sons in there and Glorfindel. I don't see why the wouldn't have wargs in ROTK. If there is oliphaunts, then why not wargs.

Queen Arwen

10-20-2003, 11:42 PM

adt, those spoilers are INCREDIBLE!!! You and Jedi just made my week! OK, that was a little exaggerated, but for the most part, it's true. Those scenes sound fantastic! :applaud:

JEDI_THE_WHITE

10-21-2003, 12:35 AM

ADT100 does RULE!! There is no way around it...:cool:

Screwu2

10-21-2003, 09:17 PM

There is an easy way to get around the heads. They dont have to show them being loaded and fired you can see them from a distance in the air. I believe this takes place in the dark so you wont be able to make them out anyway. Pj will use shadowing to get around it. There is a difference b/w cutting off the head of an orc and a human. A humans life is considered valuable in real life and it is a real person depicted as dieing. But an orc is an evil monster.

JEDI_THE_WHITE

10-21-2003, 09:22 PM

Very well said...

DolAmroth

10-23-2003, 01:28 AM

But the thing is are they gunna show the heads hit the ground and roll around.

The Moose

10-23-2003, 02:52 AM

but if it is only shown from a distance, it could easily seem like rocks. some of the more astute or knowledgable of us would know that they weren't mere rocks

Turin Turambar

10-23-2003, 03:04 AM

Originally posted by DolAmroth
But the thing is are they gunna show the heads hit the ground and roll around.

Cool, can't wait!

doc alex

10-23-2003, 07:26 AM

They are probably going to show the heads after they hit the ground... Generally I think that showing a head that has been already cut off doesn't deserve an R-rating... If they show the cutting process however...

PsYkOoOoO

10-23-2003, 07:31 AM

after all its only a head...or probably a burnt head and people will go 'HEADS!!!HEADS BEING TOSSED OVER THE WALLS!!'so we dont really see the head...

Lizwise Gamgee

10-23-2003, 06:46 PM

Dangit. Still no info on the Pippin Palantir scene!

KenM

10-23-2003, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by Lizwise Gamgee
Dangit. Still no info on the Pippin Palantir scene!

I heard thats in TTT EE. I could be wrong thou.

Necross

10-23-2003, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by KenM
I heard thats in TTT EE. I could be wrong thou.

Hmmm....we will see, but I don't know because I don't think it would make sense simply because if someone dosen't see the extended people would be like," Why is Sauron after Pippin?"

Phil Parma

10-23-2003, 10:48 PM

In regards to rolling heads and decapitations, in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, there is clearly a decapitation, followed by a rolling head, and it still got a PG-13. Just, you know, fyi.

Screwu2

10-23-2003, 10:57 PM

Also in Austin powers one where the friggin sharks with friggin laser beams decapitates that guard. Alos there is a pertially severed head in Harry Potter 1 when Nearly Headless Nick takes off his head. Also look at 8 heads in a duffel bag it was rated r only for language no violence in it really.

Necross

10-23-2003, 11:37 PM

All very good points. I think we don't have to worry about that head scene lol.

Glordreen

10-24-2003, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by Necross
Hmmm....we will see, but I don't know because I don't think it would make sense simply because if someone dosen't see the extended people would be like," Why is Sauron after Pippin?"

And also they get the palantir form Saruman, which will be in ROTK, so no the palantir scene is not in the TT EE.

The Moose

10-24-2003, 05:53 AM

Liz, there's some pics that ya may have seen with Pippin and the Palantir. check out the spoiler pics thread if ya haven't already

Glordreen

10-26-2003, 12:39 AM

Another scene I hope is in the movie or EE is when the hobbits are on there way back to the shire and they find Bill, the horse they let go before they went into Moria that Sam was so fond of. That was cool in the book.

JEDI_THE_WHITE

10-26-2003, 01:13 AM

Glordreen, I think that shot was filmed... I believe it was Sean Astin who gave away that spoiler...

The Moose

10-26-2003, 01:18 AM

Bill was a PONY not a horse. but i heard also that that scene was filmed. that will be cool

Glordreen

10-26-2003, 10:24 AM

a yeah pony.

Glordreen

10-26-2003, 10:25 AM

Thanks Jedi for the info on that scene

The Twins

10-26-2003, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by Glordreen
Another scene I hope is in the movie or EE is when the hobbits are on there way back to the shire and they find Bill, the horse they let go before they went into Moria that Sam was so fond of. That was cool in the book.
Originally posted by JEDI_THE_WHITE
Glordreen, I think that shot was filmed... I believe it was Sean Astin who gave away that spoiler...
Yeah, that scene will be awesome.

Screwu2

10-26-2003, 06:48 PM

In Scary Movie 3 they shoe a decapitation fyi

FVD

10-26-2003, 10:37 PM

I also hope in Homeward Bound that Gandalf and the Hobbits will stop through Bree again especially since Gandalf wanted to see Butterbur. It would also be nice if Gandalf could see Tom Bombadil on the way back but since we're not getting the Scouring scene I suppose there's not need for it.

Any word on Legolas and Gimli exploring the Glittering Caves by Helms Deep. Was the scene ever filmed? Anything about it at all on the TTT EE? Perhaps a mention of it by Gimli to Legolas. I have my fingers crossed.

FVD.

DolAmroth

10-26-2003, 11:39 PM

I dont think there was ever a scene like that.

downflow311

10-26-2003, 11:40 PM

bump

Mr_Null

10-26-2003, 11:42 PM

Glordreen

10-26-2003, 11:43 PM

Stop the insanity!!!

downflow311

10-26-2003, 11:43 PM

ummm... **** you

tiff_t_t

10-26-2003, 11:49 PM

bump. I hate spammers.

The Moose

10-27-2003, 12:00 AM

as do i

what is it with bump?

Glordreen

10-27-2003, 12:05 AM

I know, every old forum is being bumped by certain people.

PsYkOoOoO

10-27-2003, 12:35 AM

dont bother...he'll sooner or later be gone anyway..its kinda fun to have spammers arnd as well..get to jump on them and all..pretty interesting

The Moose

10-27-2003, 12:38 AM

that is something good about them

adt100

10-27-2003, 05:00 AM

Like I said in 1 of the other threads last night when that guy under another name was spamming, can't mods just delete half of those threads by 'Mr Null' instead of just locking them?

FVD

10-29-2003, 09:56 AM

What the hell is it with that Null jackass cloning my post.

Damn trolls.

FVD.

Samwise Gamwich

10-29-2003, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by JEDI_THE_WHITE
Glordreen, I think that shot was filmed... I believe it was Sean Astin who gave away that spoiler...

What would also be very cool about them meeting up with Old Bill again would be a quick 'flashback' to FOTR explaining the whole scenario of how Old Bill came to help the Hobbits and the Fellowship....
I thought FOTR was sorely lacking because of this omission...

Samwise Gamwich

10-29-2003, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Lizwise Gamgee
Dangit. Still no info on the Pippin Palantir scene!

Liz... This was posted already in the ROTK Spoiler Pics thread but I am re-posting it here just for you....

(Pippin stealing the Palantir from a sleeping Gandalf)

http://members.fortunecity.com/plyskyn/9172.jpg