Return of the King oscar wins

[Glordreen]

This is what I predict ROTK will be nomed for

Best Picture
Best Director
Best Actor
Best Supporting Actor
Best Supporting Actress (possible)
Best Adapted Screenplay
Best Costume Design
Best Art Direction
Best Film Editing
Best Visual Effects
Best Sound
Best Sound Editing
Best Original Song
Best Cinematogrophy (possible, since Fellowship already won)

So around 13 or 14 noms

This is what I predict it will win

Best Picture
Best Director
Best Supporting Actor
Best Adapted Screenplay
Best Film Editing
Best Costume Design
Best Visual FX
Best Sound
Best Art Direction

So around 9 wins

After you vote for how many wins you think it will get post which ones you think it will win.

[scifi guy]

well It should win at least 2 (Best Director,Best Picture) but it will probably win more. So i'll say 7 wins. 7 is a nice number.

1.Best Picture
2.Best Director
3.Best Supporting Actor
4.Best Adapted Screenplay
5.Best Film Editing
6.Best Sound
7.Best Art Direction

[Screwu2]

I think bout 13 noms and 7 wins.

[Phil Parma]

I'm guessing seven wins:

Best Picture
Best Director
Best Supporting Actor
Best Editing
Best Sound
Best Sound Editing
Best Special Effects

[king_of_hetzer]

NO! Rotk wil not win ANY oscars or oscar noms because the Hulk was so good.

[Macbane]

I hope you're kidding.

Anyways... I think for sure ROTK will get Best Director. The Academy owes it to Peter Jackson. I have no clue on how it'll do with the rest of the nominations.

[king_of_hetzer]

well i was kidding about hulk, but rotk isnt going to win nething

[Macbane]

Originally posted by king_of_hetzer
rotk isnt going to win nething

:rolleyes:

[kylesmile]

Nominations(Winners in Bold):

Best Picture
Best Director - Peter Jackson
Best Actor - Viggo Mortenson OR Elijah Wood
Best Supporting Actor - Sean Astin OR Ian McKellan
Best Adapted Screenplay
Best Cinematography
Best Original Song - either Arwen's Song or Annie Lennox's
Best Visual Effects
Best Sound
Best Sound Editing
Best Editing
Best Costume Design
Best Art Direction

I'm being hopeful, but the technical categories are hard to predict. Definitely has to win for Best Picture and Director though. Cold Mountain looks horrendously boring, as does Master and Commander. Last Samurai seems to be a threat, and Big Fish looks really good(though won't win). But I know that if ROTK is as great as it looks the Academy will have to reward it.

[PsYkOoOoO]

5 is my guess...

[The Moose]

i'm thinking that it will win 9. no reasoning though.

[PsYkOoOoO]

i say 5 coz well..its just a reasonable number..considering the fact that no movies win more than 5 or 6 oscars these couple of years...

[true fan11212]

Best Picture
Best Director
Best Supporting Actor-Sean Astin
Best Art Direction
Best Film Editing
Best Original Song
Best Costume Design
Best Sound

I'd say Eight wins, but probably less.

[Fanible]

This poll seems a bit tedious, but I'll say between 5-9. So I put 9.

[UnicornBlood3]

Im thinking about 6

[Spy-Of-Saruman]

Id say this King_of_hetzer guy has no idea whatsoever about The Lord of the Rings, due to the fact he was DETERMIND a picture of Merry on Weathertop was from TTT EE. Idiot. Then he thinks the Hulk will be better than ROTK, I mean from what ive seen of ROTK I already enjoy more than The Hulk. And then seems sure that ROTK wont win anything.. god sake this guy is stupid.. hes annoyed me, sorry.. rant over

[downflow311]

Originally posted by king_of_hetzer
well i was kidding about hulk, but rotk isnt going to win nething

i think he may be right. PJ and LOTR have been blown-off by the academy. i dont see any reason why next year would be any different. you guys are thinking too wishfully.

[downflow311]

i want ROTK to win just as bad as all of you but c'mon now, be realistic. Oscar will once again blow-off PJ.

[Glordreen]

NEVER! LOTR WILL BE RIGHTLY REWARDED THIS TIME!

[DolAmroth]

Originally posted by downflow311
i want ROTK to win just as bad as all of you but c'mon now, be realistic. Oscar will once again blow-off PJ.

They were just wating to give it all to the last movie cause its better that way

[downflow311]

no they're not. ROTK AT BEST will win 2-3 technical awards IMO. the Academy are idiots, why would anybody have any faith in them for ROTK. Ian Mckellan didnt get best supporting actor in FOTR like he should've. he lost to some unknown guy who we've never heard from again. and with PJ's attitude towards the academy, there is no way he is going to win anything. its more politics then it is actual talent.

[downflow311]

Bill Murray will wint best actor for Lost in Translation and that will win best picture as well. IMO of course. Sophia Coppola has politics on her side. the academy likes her as well as her dad. PJ and LOTR will be shunned. mark my words. and it will piss me off sooooo much!!!! :mad:

[Glordreen]

then prepare to be unpissed, for ROTK will win BP and BD

[downflow311]

i guarantee that it wont. i would bet alot of money that it wont. remember we are all fanboys. the academy does not think like we do.

[PsYkOoOoO]

in other words they are not as clever as us..;)

[Glordreen]

Have faith donwflow. It will win!

[Smeagol]

If PJ doesn't campaign for an Oscar then of course he won't win one. ROTK will be nominated for Best Picture, but I am expecting PJ to be snubbed once again.

And I think it is wishful thinking for people to predict an acting award for LOTR.

[Glordreen]

New Lin has a $50 million Oscar campaign for ROTK. that is outstanding. It should win, it deserves to win, it will win.

[Karma Police]

Originally posted by downflow311
Bill Murray will wint best actor for Lost in Translation and that will win best picture as well. IMO of course. Sophia Coppola has politics on her side. the academy likes her as well as her dad. PJ and LOTR will be shunned. mark my words. and it will piss me off sooooo much!!!! :mad:


ummmm have you actually seen Lost in Translation? because its def the best movie i have seen all year and will most likely be aswell, LOTR might be good but there are better movies believe it or not.

and Bill Murray deserves best actor he was amazing

[downflow311]

yes i have seen it. fantastic movie. the role of Bill Murray's career. thats why it will win. LOTR will be shunned once again. IMO ROTK will be a better movie but it all depends on what you look for in a movie. LIT is a great character portrait. great direction great acting. LOTR is a more amazing accomplishment IMO and the academy are too wrapped up in visual effects to realize it. they dont like PJ and LOTR so they will give them nothing. the academy is complete bull**** IMO.

[adt100]

downflow posted in the ROTK spoiler pics thread:

Originally posted by downflow311
titanic and Braveheart were not sequels though. they were original pieces of film. i think this sequel thing will sway the academy's decision; as it has always done.

Lost in Translation has had more buzz then any other film this year in the states. and since its from Sophia Coppola, Frances' daughter, i think that the politics of the awards will play a major role in the academy's decision.

BTW theres no doubt in my mind ROTK will get several nominations. i just dont see it winning; just like in the past. i dont see a reason why the academy wont continue to ignore PJ and crew.

The Academy don't tend to award best picture awards to sequels you're right, but not specifically because they are 'anti-sequel' , rather the fact that sequels are generally considered inferior films, something I think we all agree is most definitely not going to be the case with ROTK. As you pointed out with the Godfather 2 though, the precedent has already been set.

I believe the Academy with consider ROTK far less a 'sequel' as any film given that tag. The whole LOTR project has been something quite unique in film-making, 1 continuous story dividided into 3 films but all shot simulateneously. This is very different from the SW prequels/sequels for example.


Looking at the 2 examples I gave;

Titanic is a grand epic, with amazing visuals and spectacular action. It was immensely popular and the highest grossing film of all time - ROTK will be a similar spectacle and be 1 of the highest grossing films of all time.

Braveheart is based in a historical setting, with huge battles but also a strong emotional content and powerful central story - Rotk will be similar in these aspects.

There is therefore absolutely no reason why ROTK cannot win the big awards and be the main winner on Oscar night. It may not be, but there is nothing specifically to stand in its way.

The Academy have also certainly not 'snubbed' LOTR an PJ so far. Collectively FOTR and TTT have received a number of nominations and Oscar wins already. TTT did not fair as well as FOTR, but that is understandable, particularly given that last year was by all accounts a very strong one. It won more awards than Gangs of New York for example which left empty handed.

The only potential 'snub' could have been by i) awarding 'A Beautiful Mind the Best Picture award above FOTR and ii) not giving PJ a nomination for TTT. However, everyone agrees and everyone in Hollywood knows that ROTK will be the crowning glory of the LOTR 'trilogy' (I hate that word applied to LOTR). They are were never going to give Best Picture/Director awards for more than 1 of the films, as they are effectively seen as a collective, and if any film will collect these awards it will be ROTK.

'Lost in Translation' may be the type of film that the Academy like, and therefore could pick up some nominations, and maybe a few wins, but I would almost guarantee it won't be the big winner. Look at last year (and going back through history) for evidence of this. 'The Piano' and 'The Hours' were both critically acclaimed and received many nominations between them, but 'Chicago' was the big winner on the night.

Maybe it's misguided, but in this case, for the moment, I have a little faith (and more than a little hope) in the Academy. ;)

[downflow311]

very good points. but the titanic and braveheart observation you mentioned didnt seem to apply to TTT or FOTR, so i dont see why it would be different for ROTK. like i said before, i just fail to see a reason why next year will be any different then the 2 previous years. Pj has been snubbed for best director 2 years in a row. while he may get a nod for best director, to me its doubtful he will be able to overcome Sophia Coppola as i see her following the steps of her father. (who directed the godfather movies)

politics are the main reason LOTR has not won any best picture or director awards. and i think politics will further play a role next year. LOTR will not win any acting awards, but it has a decent shot at winning best picture. the press promoting ROTK will be aimed at trying to make the academy feel they've made a mistake in not awarding FOTR or TTT righteously, which they did not. Ian Mckellan was robbed and so was FOTR in 2001. i guess it remains to be seen if the academy will correct this with ROTK or not, but i have little hope for that. i hardly ever seem to agree with the academy in the past few years of the Oscars.

the pianist was by no means not the big winner. it took the most awards with Roman Polanski winning best director and Adrian Brody winning best actor. Chicago only won the big prize for best picture. (Zeta-Jones won supporting actress, but IMO that was not a big prize)

but i hope your right adt, i would love to see PJ win best director like he should and ROTK win best picture like it should. while LOTR has so far swept the technical and music aspect of the oscars, LOTR has been shunned on the big prizes. its time to give credit where credit is due this year IMO. and if the academy does what i think they are going to do, they are more stubborn then most poeple think.

[downflow311]

we will all find out how LOTR will fair in the Oscars when we see the Golden Globe awards, as they largely influence the academy's decisions.

[adt100]

We'll really have to wait until i) all the big contenders are out and we can see what reaction they get ii) the nominations for the Golden Globes and Academy Awards come out. By then we should hopefully have a much firmer idea either way.

You say "...observation you mentioned didnt seem to apply to TTT or FOTR, so i dont see why it would be different for ROTK. like i said before, i just fail to see a reason why next year will be any different then the 2 previous years...", but I think I did cover that point.

First of all when you look at the awards and nominations that FOTR/TTT earned compared to other films LOTR wasn't really 'snubbed' at all. I can fully understand why TTT didn't receive quite the reward FOTR did. Secondly though, and more importantly, there's no way the Academy were going to lavish FOTR and TTT with all the major awards when by all accounts the biggest best part of the trilogy was yet to come. It just doesn't make sense.

You may be right, but personally I think you will be pleasantly surprised. I am sure that at the very least ROTKiwll be able to match FOTR's tally.

[adt100]

Originally posted by downflow311
while he may get a nod for best director, to me its doubtful he will be able to overcome Sophia Coppola

All I can say to that is - Martin Scorcese. ;)

[adt100]

Originally posted by downflow311
the pianist was by no means not the big winner. it took the most awards with Roman Polanski winning best director and Adrian Brody winning best actor. Chicago only won the big prize for best picture. (Zeta-Jones won supporting actress, but IMO that was not a big prize)


I missed this comment first time around.

The Pianist was definitely the surprise of the Oscars and BAFTA's, but it was still seen as Chicago's night, no question. The Pianist picked up 3 awards for Actor, Director (arguably the 2nd and 3rd most important awards) and Adapted Screenplay, whereas Chicago won 6.

[downflow311]

i can see why he hasnt won yet though. i have yet to enjoy a scorsese film.

[Kris Hodgson]

You guys are way too optomistic. It will win 5 at THE MOST. Maybe not even that many. Mark my words.

[downflow311]

Originally posted by adt100
We'll really have to wait until i) all the big contenders are out and we can see what reaction they get ii) the nominations for the Golden Globes and Academy Awards come out. By then we should hopefully have a much firmer idea either way.

You say "...observation you mentioned didnt seem to apply to TTT or FOTR, so i dont see why it would be different for ROTK. like i said before, i just fail to see a reason why next year will be any different then the 2 previous years...", but I think I did cover that point.

First of all when you look at the awards and nominations that FOTR/TTT earned compared to other films LOTR wasn't really 'snubbed' at all. I can fully understand why TTT didn't receive quite the reward FOTR did. Secondly though, and more importantly, there's no way the Academy were going to lavish FOTR and TTT with all the major awards when by all accounts the biggest best part of the trilogy was yet to come. It just doesn't make sense.

You may be right, but personally I think you will be pleasantly surprised. I am sure that at the very least ROTKiwll be able to match FOTR's tally.

nominations dont mean anything to me. getting the award is what counts. and if you look aside from the technical aspect, LOTR hasnt won anything. the technical awards dont mean anything compared to that coveted best picture award IMO. PJ deserves AT LEAST a nomination for best director, but i doubt he will win it.

[adt100]

Mark my words. It will win 6 AT LEAST, and will be front-runner for the BP and BD. :) :p

With the buzz around the film at the moment (not just with fans but almost unanimously with critics and the media alike) it's almost inconceivable that it will not at the very least equal FOTR.

[downflow311]

Originally posted by adt100
Titanic is a grand epic, with amazing visuals and spectacular action. It was immensely popular and the highest grossing film of all time - ROTK will be a similar spectacle and be 1 of the highest grossing films of all time.

Braveheart is based in a historical setting, with huge battles but also a strong emotional content and powerful central story - Rotk will be similar in these aspects.

There is therefore absolutely no reason why ROTK cannot win the big awards and be the main winner on Oscar night. It may not be, but there is nothing specifically to stand in its way.

FOTR and TTT both had the qualities that these 2 had, and both walked away empty handed in the main categories. why would ROTK be any different?

and dont forget LOTR is considered a sci-fi/fantasy film to the academy. when has a sci-fi film won a best picture in the past 10 years? the academy wont compare these to braveheart or Titanic because the story is not real; so they wouldnt consider it historical.

[downflow311]

mark my words, boy, and mark them well. -Merovingian

ROTK will only win technical awards like TTT did. 4 at most.

[adt100]

I just caught a glimpse of this comment regarding the Best Picture award from Anderson Jones of E-online. I know it's only 1 opinion, but I thought it was interesting nonetheless:

"Best Picture: I don't believe anything can beat The Return of the King. I expect New Line to be rewarded for the risk and audacity of pulling off producing three movies at once, each more spectacular than the one before. Director and cowriter Peter Jackson deserves this honor. What could possibly compete? Maybe Anthony Minghella's Cold Mountain. Maybe Master and Commander. And Tim Burton's Big Fish has some heat--they all have that Oscar sheen. But other than Finding Nemo, which will take Best Animated Film, I haven't yet seen or heard a whiff of any sensational film besides Kill Bill: Volume 1, whose party I might crash. As always, we'll see."

(You can find the full article here - http://www.eonline.com/Reviews/Movies/Scoop/Archive2003/031017.html?fdcol1)

[downflow311]

but he comments for E!, a gossip channel. this article wont influence anything.

there is on big thing we are forgetting as well adt. the academy screener ban that has now been set in place by the MPAA will directly negatively effect ROTK IMO.

[adt100]

How on earth do you work that out? I'd say that because it applies to ALL films then if anything it could actually help ROTK. Seeing such a film on the big screen will give it all the more impact, wheras a film like 'Lost in Translation' will gain little from such a change.

As for E-Online, I know nothing about the show I just saw a link to the article. Either way such people will surely tend to have more of an ear to the ground and idea of the feeling around Hollywood than we do.

[downflow311]

how do i work that out? because that will effect every movie negatively..........that includes ROTK.

[adt100]

But if they are all affected negatively in the same way, then it's a level playing field, just as before. By definition therefore ROTK is not affected negetively. :)

[downflow311]

i think it will effect ROTK more because its a long, long movie. the academy would not see it as many times as lost in translation or american splendor.

[adt100]

I doubt most of the academy sit through any of the films more than once unless they really like them and want to for their own enjoyment. In which case length won't really have any affect. After all, I'm sure most of them have plenty of spare time. ;)

Again though, I think if anything this could therefore work in ROTK's favour. If you have the DVD's then members could simply skip sections if they thought it was a long film and they didn't have the time/desire to sit through the whole thing. If they have to see it in the cinema though then they will sit through the whole thing, as it was meant to be seen.

[bmp72178]

It won't hurt ROTK at all. People are going to want to see ROTK in the theater because of the visual fx and because it's an event movie. The smaller type movies from the smaller studios will be hurt the most. I don't think the Pianist wouldve had a chance last year if there was a screener ban.

[downflow311]

i disagree with that about the most anyone could disagree. the Pianist was an academy type movie from the start. they all saw it a few times before the screener even came out im sure.

[bmp72178]

FOTR and TTT both had the qualities that these 2 had, and both walked away empty handed in the main categories. why would ROTK be any different?

Because the Oscras are about marketing and timing. ROTK will have the huge marketing this time around and will have the sympathy that it's time for it to be honored. THat all depends on the quality of the film of course. If ROTK eclipses both FOTR and TTT in spectacle and story, nothing will beat it.

[downflow311]

Originally posted by adt100
I doubt most of the academy sit through any of the films more than once unless they really like them and want to for their own enjoyment. In which case length won't really have any affect. After all, I'm sure most of them have plenty of spare time. ;)

Again though, I think if anything this could therefore work in ROTK's favour. If you have the DVD's then members could simply skip sections if they thought it was a long film and they didn't have the time/desire to sit through the whole thing. If they have to see it in the cinema though then they will sit through the whole thing, as it was meant to be seen.

that subject is just a matter of opinion if it would help/hurt ROTK. we will just have to wait and see who is right and who is wrong in the spring:eek: :meanie:

[downflow311]

Originally posted by bmp72178
Because the Oscras are about marketing and timing. ROTK will have the huge marketing this time around and will have the sympathy that it's time for it to be honored. THat all depends on the quality of the film of course. If ROTK eclipses both FOTR and TTT in spectacle and story, nothing will beat it.


and FOTR didnt have the huge marketing? it will be the same marketing, except the press will want the academy to feel like they've made a mistake. and IMO they will not fall for it.

i will be so surprised and so shocked and extremely happy if ROTK wins best pic, but judging from the past it seems so unrealistic.

[bmp72178]

There's more to marketing than just money. It's money, advertisements, screeners, and most importantly cast and crew appearances. PJ and crew did nothing in the way of personal appearances for TTT and FOTR lost because it was the first film in a trilogy and ABM had the Ron Howard sympathy. ROTK will be marketed as heavily as NL can go. There's already appearances lined up for PJ in NYC and AFI screenings. There was a report that NL was renting him a condo in LA to do nothing but appearances for a month. New Line is going to go all out for ROTK because they've never won a best picture award and this is their best shot.

[adt100]

NL and PJ will certainly be going all out with ROTK in a way they didn't with FOTR or TTT because of the huge workload they still had in finshing off the second and third films.

[Glordreen]

Also, the Academy has stated that they want to wait for ROTK to award the entire film. So ROTK will take all the awards it can, and in the Academys eyes it will be as if they are awarding the enitre trilogy.

[downflow311]

we'll see what happens in the spring. i just dont see this movie winning best picture, no matter how good it is. look at the type of films that have won best picture in the past few years:

2002: Chicago
2001: A Beautiful Mind
2000: Gladiator
1999: American Beauty
1998: Shakespeare in Love
1997: Titanic
1996: English Patient
1995: Braveheart
1994: Forrest Gump
1993: Schindler's List
1992: Unforgiven
1991: Silence of the Lambs
1990: Dances with Wolves

not a single fantasy or sci-fi film. to my knowledge, not a single science fiction or fantasy film has ever won an oscar.

[Glordreen]

It will change this time.

[downflow311]

i would love for it to change, and ROTK to be the first. but it seems to unlikely to me.

[Glordreen]

Beleive me, it will change on Feb. 29th 2004, or whenever the academys are

[downflow311]

i cant glordreen. because its the academy picking the winners, not you or any other movie fan. ;)

you just never know with them.

[adt100]

1. There's always a first time

2. The genre itself isn't really important at all. A fantasy have never won the award for 1 reason and 1 reason only - all the fantasies that have ever been released have been pretty average to say the least, and only appealing to their hardcore fans. What about the Wizard of OZ though?

ROTK could be considered an action film, a drama, a historical-type epic. The notion that 'LOTR is fantasy therefore cannot win' is a bit shortsighted IMO.

Look at that list another way -

2002: Chicago - glitzy musical, drama
2001: A Beautiful Mind - thoughtful, intelligent, emotional, drama
2000: Gladiator - long, epic, historical, visually stunning
1999: American Beauty - thoughtful, intelligent, emotional, drama
1998: Shakespeare in Love -
1997: Titanic - long, epic, historical, visually stunning
1996: English Patient - long, epic, historical, visually stunning
1995: Braveheart - Long, epic, historical, visually stunning
1994: Forrest Gump - thoughtful, intelligent, emotional, drama/comedy
1993: Schindler's List - long, epic, historical, visually stunning
1992: Unforgiven -
1991: Silence of the Lambs -
1990: Dances with Wolves - long, epic, historical, visually stunning

There are it seems running themes and phases that the Academy go through. I think ROTK will fit well with that list.

[Glordreen]

agreed

[downflow311]

the notion that LOTR is a fantasy and cannot win is proved through history.

Clash of the Titans?
Jason and the Argonauts?
Sinbad and the seven seas?

all nominated and didnt win, with mainstream audiences. not shortsighted at all.

i just dont see how ROTK is going to break the chain. but if any movie does, i sure hope its ROTK. beleive me guys, i hope im wrong too. god im pessimistic.;)

[Glordreen]

A true fan will fight even if the battle is a losing one.

[downflow311]

a true fan will also be realistic in some sense.

[downflow311]

Originally posted by Glordreen
A true fan will fight even if the battle is a losing one.

with that staement, you think the Matrix fans should hope for a best picture nod? no way. they are realisitc and they know it. some of you guys are thinking ROTK will win 10 or more oscars and thats plain ridiculous IMO.

[Glordreen]

If its their fav, they could make an argument of why it should be nomed. But we know it wont. But just looking at what LOTR has already accomplished, and what ROTK is going to be, I willl fight to the end!

[downflow311]

thats great and all but to say your a truer fan because of it is childish. it has to do with what type of personality you have. i, a pessimistic person, have no hope for ROTK to win a best picture. you, a hopeful person, have hopes that it can. while both are true fans. doesnt make a difference.

[downflow311]

Originally posted by Glordreen
If its their fav, they could make an argument of why it should be nomed. But we know it wont. But just looking at what LOTR has already accomplished, and what ROTK is going to be, I willl fight to the end!

ya know what alot of general movies fans think? they know it wont win. look outside the box.

[downflow311]

enough of this.....i seem to be arguiing with everyone today and to be honest im sick of arguing. its time for some peace.

[Glordreen]

agreed, I call a truce.

[downflow311]

your a good man/woman Glordreen. most people on these boards would keep going.

[Glordreen]

i am a man for the record

[adt100]

Originally posted by downflow311
the notion that LOTR is a fantasy and cannot win is proved through history.

Clash of the Titans?
Jason and the Argonauts?
Sinbad and the seven seas?

all nominated and didnt win, with mainstream audiences. not shortsighted at all.


Of those 3 films you list I don't really think they were good enough to win. Simple as that really.

When was the last time a muscial won the top honours? A very lon time ago, yet Chicago managed it this year.

[downflow311]

noted.... your a good man then ;)

[Glordreen]

Originally posted by downflow311
noted.... your a good man then ;)

Thank you

[downflow311]

Originally posted by adt100
Of those 3 films you list I don't really think they were good enough to win. Simple as that really.

When was the last time a muscial won the top honours? A very lon time ago, yet Chicago managed it this year.

well....that is a matter of opinon. Clash of the Titans is my favorite film of all time. good point with Chicago though. belive me adt, i hope you guys are right. im just trying to provide another view to the oscar thing, thats all.

[MovieWes]

Originally posted by downflow311
the notion that LOTR is a fantasy and cannot win is proved through history.

Clash of the Titans?
Jason and the Argonauts?
Sinbad and the seven seas?

all nominated and didnt win, with mainstream audiences. not shortsighted at all.

i just dont see how ROTK is going to break the chain. but if any movie does, i sure hope its ROTK. beleive me guys, i hope im wrong too. god im pessimistic.;)

Where did you hear those films got nominated? Combined, those films received a total of 0 Academy Award nominations.

[adt100]

I don't think it will do a Titanic (but you never know, I mean looking back that film is pretty lame in many respects yet still swept the board). I would certainly bet in the range of 5-10 Oscars though.

The 'fantasy' tag is a bit irritating IMO. I mean, LOTR could be seen as an epic adventure, with a historic-type (or even 'pre-hitsory') element to it. The plot, dialogue, acting, visuals, scale, emotion, drama etc is as good as almost any of those films in that list IMO. We'll see though in February. We will see. :)

[MovieWes]

But none of those movies received any Oscar nominations, so you can't even compare LOTR to those movies.

[IceGambit]

I don't think ROTK will go home will very many awards. Liekly some of the techinical ones, but nothing else. Remember, the Academy winners do not win by talent - it all politics. They almost never award the deserving film.

As much as the film will deserve all the Oscars ever, it won't get them. Especially not any actor awards - a snowball's chance in hell of that.

[adt100]

Originally posted by downflow311
the academy screener ban that has now been set in place by the MPAA will directly negatively effect ROTK IMO.

Well, it's a mute point now that this ban has been removed. The removal is somehwat of a compromise though, and a very strict one it seems -

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/eo/20031021/en_movies_eo/12740

I don't know why they have decided to remove the ban really, other than due to studio pressure. It really shouldn't be anything to do with them! Either the MPAA have a principal and reasons fro imposing the ban or they don't.

[Potterkid87]

Originally posted by IceGambit
I don't think ROTK will go home will very many awards. Liekly some of the techinical ones, but nothing else. Remember, the Academy winners do not win by talent - it all politics. They almost never award the deserving film.

As much as the film will deserve all the Oscars ever, it won't get them. Especially not any actor awards - a snowball's chance in hell of that.

I totally agree, how many times have you actually been happy with the award decisions? I mean really? I know that i don't watch all of the Osc's because of this, but the show must go on!!

[dr_evil]

i voted that it will win 2 awards
but i would like to change my answer to 3
Best Visual Effects
Best Sound
Best Sound Editing

[Ryvyan]

I didn't vote *shrugs*

Ahh, actually besides E! Online, there're lots of other reviews for the 20 minutes screening of ROTK for some members of the press and it's killing them already! The suspense and all!

Most importantly, their take on ROTK taking home BP and BD, among other nominations! And that, simply from a 20 minutes film.

Hey, most of these people watch movies and review for a living. Pretty sure that it'd be a great film. Oscars would totally be out of my list of to-watch-awards-shows if ROTK gets less than 5 nominations.

Even if ROTK does not live up to the high expectations, I expect it to be better than the other blockbuster movies out/coming out soon... Maybe we can boycott them, I mean, there're enough LOTR fans! *winks*

Heh, silly thought.