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JEDI_THE_WHITE
10-09-2003, 12:28 AM
Ok, This pic here is quoted on the official site to be Faramir at the battle of pellenor fields:

http://img-nex.theonering.net/images/scrapbook/6691.jpg

Now this one is quoted again on the official site as being a "group of gondorian knights riding to retake Osgiliath:

http://homepage.mac.com/elwen/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2003-08-19%2002.19.05%20-0700/Image-C547756CD22511D7.jpg

Now, most have said that this is also Faramir. Now as far as I can remember, Faramir gets injured at the battle of pellenor fields, correct??? At the hands of the Nazgul???


So if the second is Faramir, then he must be a real fast healer.

So, I pose this question: Are we sure that in the second pic, this is Faramir and not someone else?
DolAmroth
10-09-2003, 12:32 AM
from what I remember he gets shot by a posion arrow after the Rammas Echor is taken over. And then Prince Imrahil takes him back to the white city. And then Prince Imrhail and his knights go back out and charge on horse back and fight the orcs on the Pelennor but Denethor orders them to retreat back within the city walls shorty after.
Glordreen
10-09-2003, 01:21 AM
I believe thats right DolAmroth, as for the pics, beats me?
Fanible
10-09-2003, 01:31 AM
Either that or PJ changed the story a bit and he doesn't get hurt that bad.
PsYkOoOoO
10-09-2003, 01:38 AM
or that could be somebody else~;) *hint hint*
Macbane
10-09-2003, 02:05 AM
...or it could just be some no name Gondor soldier who looks a bit like Faramir?
The Moose
10-09-2003, 02:07 AM
i think that it might be someone else, just due to the wounds. denethor thought that Faramir was dead, and we know what he did threreafter, so if PJ is going to keep that in the story, he has to keep the wounds severe
JEDI_THE_WHITE
10-09-2003, 02:12 AM
OK,

Faramir during the battle gets hit by a poison arrow, just like the in the book. The shot causes him to fall off his horse only to have his foot get stuck on one of the saddle straps, he is then dragged. That is obviously a brutal injury.

The storyline involving the houses of healing is in as is the pyre of Denethor.

So I am thinking that this person in the pic is someone else. I so want to believe it is Prince Imrahil.
Maximus
10-09-2003, 02:13 AM
doesnt look like faramir's sword, however in two towers extended edition preview we saw boromir wearing that same kind of armor. I dont know gonna have to wait another 2 months
Macbane
10-09-2003, 02:14 AM
That would definetely be cool... but dang he looks so much like Faramir.
Cloud Buster
10-09-2003, 02:25 AM
Look at the flags and the design on the helmets. Doesn't look like the white tree on the flags....and the helmets look like a wing....maybe it is Imrahil's army -- they are the army of the Silver Swan.
JEDI_THE_WHITE
10-09-2003, 02:37 AM
The flags have the white tree, but the helmets appear to have wings instead of feathers. Interesting...

I was going over some of my old notes, check this out:

In 2000, a scene that invloved Faramir and Prince Imrahil was FILMED. Faramir does wear armor. When he gets injured, the scene had Imrahil bring him back to Minas Tirith.

Now, do you think perhaps the official site got this wrong and maybe the first pic is NOT Faramir at pellenor fields, but of Faramir just as he is retreating with the rest of the rangers and knights from Osgiliath???

Although, that still would leave us with the identity of the second pic. Like I said the official site says it is a group of knights riding to retake Osgiliath. Could this really be the army of Dol Amroth, the army of the silver swan???
The Moose
10-09-2003, 02:54 AM
that's what i'm hoping for Jedi

thanks for the info that the scene was filmed
DolAmroth
10-09-2003, 02:56 AM
Well I guess we wont really find out until dec 17 :sighs:
The Moose
10-09-2003, 03:07 AM
there is always Jedi. over the course of time, he may become privy to something that may yield a helpful clue
Cloud Buster
10-09-2003, 03:25 AM
You know, honestly, I don't think the guy in the second pic looks like Faramir. It could be, but I just don't think it is.
JEDI_THE_WHITE
10-09-2003, 03:31 AM
We know Faramir gets injured, that's a given. Obviously someone on that battle field must take faramir back to Minas Tirith. I believe it is going to be one of four people: Imrahil, Ranger, knight, or Gandalf.

We also know that Faramir will be taken to the houses of healing, there not enough time for him to heal, fall in love with Eowyn, then lead a charge towards Osgiliath.

I am going to really look into this, this discussion we have been having over the past hours has got me even more excited about ROTK.
The Moose
10-09-2003, 03:34 AM
that's good tp hear Jedi
Smeagol
10-09-2003, 04:09 AM
It could be Aragorn. Aragorn says "Ride now, ride for ruin...and the World's ending!"
PsYkOoOoO
10-09-2003, 05:06 AM
when did he ever say that?:rolleyes:

eomer said that in the books..and either him or theoden said it in the ROTK preview..when the aragorn say that???
Madskillz
10-09-2003, 05:10 AM
Originally posted by Smeagol
It could be Aragorn. Aragorn says "Ride now, ride for ruin...and the World's ending!"
That's not Aragorn's voice it sounds more like Théoden saying "Ride now, ride for ruin...and the World's ending!" as Rohan is taking the field.


as for the 2 pics on top. It could be him but makes you wonder how Pj is going to play this one out if it is him.
PsYkOoOoO
10-09-2003, 05:19 AM
interesting...i really want to find out...
adt100
10-09-2003, 05:29 AM
That's definitely Gondorian armour (as seen in the TTT EE) on 'Faramir', if that is Faramir in pics 2.

My immediate thoughts are simply that the comments by NL have been mixed up, or are being purposefully misleading. We've seen that before with regard the comments on pics at the official site.

The news I had read concerning the retreat from Osgiliath was that Faramir was wounded and dragged back to MT by his horse. I believe Gandalf wa involved too with his 'whiute lightening'.

In the TTT DVD preview of ROTK we see Faramir in MT, before the SOG/BOPF in his 'ranger' outfit (pic 1). He tells Denethor "Osgiliath has been overrun". He must therefore have been involved in fighting at Osgiliath (pic 1). Afterwards he is sent back out onto the field of battle in full Gondorian armour (pic 2).
PsYkOoOoO
10-09-2003, 05:39 AM
yea..so i guess in the first pic he is not on pelennor fields but at osgilliath...NL just got mixed up...stupid people..:p
JEDI_THE_WHITE
10-09-2003, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by adt100
In the TTT DVD preview of ROTK we see Faramir in MT, before the SOG/BOPF in his 'ranger' outfit (pic 1). He tells Denethor "Osgiliath has been overrun". He must therefore have been involved in fighting at Osgiliath (pic 1). Afterwards he is sent back out onto the field of battle in full Gondorian armour (pic 2).

Cool, the pieces are coming together. Now, like I said adt, in the scene where Faramir gets injured, he is wearing armor. So we know that he will have it on. The question remains, who will bring Faramir back beyond the walls of Minas Tirith? The scene called for his horse to drag him a little ways, I believe the words on the script were "to the outskirts of pellenor field..."
Mr. Frodo
10-09-2003, 01:41 PM
i bet its good ole gandalf who brings him back.
DolAmroth
10-09-2003, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Cloud Buster
You know, honestly, I don't think the guy in the second pic looks like Faramir. It could be, but I just don't think it is.

Its Faramir look he has the same hair color and you can see he has the same eyes its him. Its just kinda hard to tell but im almost positive its him.
JEDI_THE_WHITE
10-09-2003, 05:43 PM
We are pretty sure at least 90% sure that this pic below is of Gandalf coming to the aid of Faramir and his soldiers:

http://img-nex.theonering.net/movie/preview/images/rotk_trailer01_110.jpg

Now, this scene also goes with the scene that was described in the script with Faramir being injured and dragged around the outskirts of the pellenor. According to the pic, there appears to be only a skirmish with some riders and nazgul. There is no other fighting in that pic. So it appears to be the outskirts of the pellenor.

Now here is what I think we have narrowed it down to: The scene that follows the pic above has three possibilites:

1) Gandalf rescues Faramir and puts him on Shadowfax and rushes him to Minas Tirith.

2) Although not seen in the pic, there is a possibility that Gandalf is being flanked by the Silver Swan army lead by Imrahil and Gandalf orders Imrahil to take Faramir back to Minas Tirith.

3) Gandalf orders another knight or ranger to take Captain Faramir to Minas Tirith.
adt100
10-09-2003, 06:24 PM
I suspect option 1 is the most likely, although we do know that Imrahil was 'on set', so option 2 is not beyond the bounds of possibility, though maybe probability. ;)
downflow311
10-09-2003, 06:28 PM
i would guesstimate option 1, but you never know
DolAmroth
10-09-2003, 06:41 PM
This is what I think
1st they charge out
http://www.elflady.com/legolasgreenleaf/rotk/trailer/images/198.jpg

and then after they loose lots of men they retread back to Minas Tirith but they get attacked by Nazgul as they are falling back
http://www.elflady.com/legolasgreenleaf/rotk/trailer/images/094.jpg


And then Gandalf comes to shoe off the Nazgul with his bright light.
http://www.elflady.com/legolasgreenleaf/rotk/trailer/images/156.jpg
FVD
10-09-2003, 06:48 PM
Well with all these rumours of the movie not featuring Imrahil I suppose there may be a chance that Gandalf returns Faramir to Minas Tirith. Still I do hope that it IS Imrahil that takes him back after all.

Imrahil may be another surprise perhaps. It's kinda reminding me of whether Professor Trelawney was gonna be in the Harry Potter and the Prisoner Of Azkaban movie next year or not. Now it's been confirmed that Emma Thompson will be portraying the character who knows. We may still see Imrahil after all fingers crossed.

FVD.
FVD
10-09-2003, 07:05 PM
Also that rumoured shot of Faramir donning Gondorian armour. He also looks kinda like that guy Harry Sinclair who also portrayed Isildur in the flashbacks.

Just a thought.

FVD.
scifi guy
10-09-2003, 07:31 PM
I'm gonna have to say it's Faramir. From what i can tell that person has all the right facial features. But then again his face is kind of hidden becuse of that helmet.I guess we'll all find out in December.
JEDI_THE_WHITE
10-09-2003, 08:25 PM
Yeah, option 1 is probably the most probable.

Although can you just imagine if number 2 came true, that would be awesome. Actually it is sort of it true, the scene WAS filmed. It is just a matter of PJ leaving it in the movie.
Queen Arwen
10-09-2003, 10:53 PM
I never even questioned the validity of New Line's statements until I stumbled upon this thread. I've been convinced, however, that both pics do show Faramir. And there's no way that PJ could truly justify letting Faramir fight at the Pelennor Fields without him getting injured and almost burned! Hmm....
luckyno
10-09-2003, 11:34 PM
I dont think the second pick really looks like Faramir. It does look like Isildur. That is probably not a coincidence. Men of Gondor are all going to look similar, just like men of Rohan look a like. So a Gondorian soldier will probably have the same hair as Faramir. Anyway, if it was Faramir, New Line would probably say that. Just like they would say if it was Gandalf in a scene, instead of just saying "here is a wizard."
adt100
10-10-2003, 05:04 AM
Don't be so certain luckyno. They've done that kind of thing before when it comes to identifying characters and scenes in their official pics.
The Moose
10-10-2003, 05:10 AM
i think at #1 would be to most plausible at the moment
DolAmroth
10-10-2003, 04:09 PM
Whats #1
downflow311
10-10-2003, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by JEDI_THE_WHITE
1) Gandalf rescues Faramir and puts him on Shadowfax and rushes him to Minas Tirith.

2) Although not seen in the pic, there is a possibility that Gandalf is being flanked by the Silver Swan army lead by Imrahil and Gandalf orders Imrahil to take Faramir back to Minas Tirith.

3) Gandalf orders another knight or ranger to take Captain Faramir to Minas Tirith.

thats option 1
DolAmroth
10-10-2003, 04:34 PM
oh ok that sounds about right
Turin Turambar
10-11-2003, 03:23 AM
I think I have it.

The first pic is Faramir at Osgiliath. They are over-run and he returns home (this is the battle being fought at the end of TTT). He says to Denethor in the preview on the TTT DVD, "My lord, Osgiliath is over-run." He's wearing the same clothes he was in the first pic.

Now, if you remember the discussion afterwards, Denethor gets angry because Faramir let Frodo (and the Ring) go. Gandalf freaks out after hearing Faramir's story of Frodo going to Cirith Ungol. Denethor yells at Faramir some more, then Faramir leaves in anger.

He takes a host of men and rides out to try and retake Osgiliath (pic 2), not caring whether he lives or dies. He gets to the city and finds it in the firm grasp of the enemy. He fights a battle, and is poisoned from a dart by a Horadrim. Gandalf hears about the news of the skirmish and rides out alone to their aid (Pippin watches from the wall, and Beregond gives an account).

I believe Imrahil and his men also ride out and return to many cheers. However I believe that the second pic is Faramir "riding to ruin" after Denethor puts him down.
Turin Turambar
10-11-2003, 03:46 AM
I just went back to my copy and skimmed over where this scene takes place. It turns out, two times Gandalf raced to Faramir's rescue. The first time he went alone, the second time he had Imrahil and his men assist him.

So the scene where Gandalf runs and a light shoots up could be from either time, and whether Imrahil and his men are behind him or not is untestable until either more footage is shown or the movie comes out.

BTW, for those interested in how many reinforcements Gondor receives, the number is less than 3,000. Imrahil arrives with 700 men, some riding grey horses. The horse that that mystery soldier is riding is not grey. It's one of those small things though, so don't rule it out that it's still Imrahil. I doubt it though. If you look at the two scenes (the second with the soldiers and the one with Gandalf and the light) the skies are different as well. *shrug*

So unless PJ turns things around, that's Faramir charging with his men in full armor to Osgiliath.
DolAmroth
10-11-2003, 03:50 AM
well we will find out if your right on Dec 17
The Moose
10-11-2003, 04:34 AM
i like your logic Turin
adt100
10-11-2003, 05:00 AM
It's like deja-vu all over again. ;)
PsYkOoOoO
10-11-2003, 06:51 AM
damn...faramir has to be saved twice?!yikes and he's supposed to be one of the leaders of minas tirith..no wonder denethor didnt like him that much and aragorn has to take over...but nonetheless great character
Necross
10-13-2003, 09:12 PM
I haven't read all of the posts because thats how impatient I can be so if someone already posted this I am sorry. I think even the second one is of as well as the first. Its possible the first one is indeed a pic of when Gandalf must ride out to save him. I am positive someone already posted this but it doesn't hurt to have back up.