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Neverending
09-25-2003, 09:26 PM
I know a lot of people will hate me for saying this, but my favorite is Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. Saw it for the first time last night on the SciFi Channel. Mad Max and The Road Warrior were both great action films, but Thunderdome has a much better storyline and the climax is classic Mad Max.

I really hope that George Miller does Fury Road.

asterdis
09-25-2003, 09:32 PM
The Road Warrior i sby far the best. Thunderdome was almost a pg movie. Children can watch it. It was not bad, but almost a parody on the first two movies.

Il Duce
09-25-2003, 09:53 PM
I've only seen the first one, but I've heard from quite a few folks that Road Warrior was the best, or at least better than the first. I was curious as to why this is so.

Neverending
09-25-2003, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by Il Duce
I've only seen the first one, but I've heard from quite a few folks that Road Warrior was the best, or at least better than the first. I was curious as to why this is so.

Road Warrior is the most action packed of three films.

Mad Max-The Destruction of Civilization.
The Road Warrior-The Survival (Hence why it's more action-packed).

Thunderdome-The restoration.

Neverending
09-25-2003, 10:46 PM
Has anyone noticed in Mad Max during the scene early in the film where Max is having a conversation with wife and in the background you can see his kid playing with a gun?

Il Duce
09-25-2003, 11:11 PM
Ayup, one would hope that's a toy gun and that Max wasn't loony enough yet to let his kid mess around with his real one.

sunflower03
09-25-2003, 11:33 PM
i heard they might be making another one of these films. is this true?

Il Duce
09-25-2003, 11:48 PM
Apparently it has been put on hold for the time being and might not be done at all. They had a lot of problems finding a place to shoot and then Mel got caught up with The Passion.

Neverending
09-26-2003, 12:33 AM
Yeah, George Lucas took up all the space in Australia, so director George Miller was forced to movie location to South Africa, but the conflict in Iraq has closed down production. Hopefully now that Star Wars is finished with principal photography and Gibson is pretty much done with post-production on The Passion they could move on with Fury Road.

JohnnyBgood
09-26-2003, 03:31 AM
I kind of like the first one, Mad Max, since he(Max) was still a kind of authority figure upholding the law but then Max takes a turn for the worst, hence, he is no longer Max but Mad Max!;) But its not only that, I always thought this one captures his change from a nomal family man to cold blooded anti hero with the most impact wherein the other two films he's motivated by more objective goals I guess, ie gas for his car...

But I thought the second one pushed the envolope a little too much, well action wise, and Im very action oriented in the first place, and as a matter of fact my favorite gendre is action, but still it kind of packed it on too much. The third one has a very entertaining opening, but besides that I can't remember what exactly happens afterwards since I've seen it, oh, problably two times at best.:p

tedward
09-26-2003, 04:13 AM
My favourite is the original Mad Max. The cars the mad biker gang the revenge etc.

Two a great movie too.

Not a big fan of the third one.

Sculder
09-26-2003, 06:17 AM
My favorite is Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior

redman
09-26-2003, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by tedward
My favourite is the original Mad Max. The cars the mad biker gang the revenge etc.

Two a great movie too.

Not a big fan of the third one.

yeah, the first was the best.

mentiroso
09-26-2003, 10:11 AM
I like the third the best.

"Who runs barter town!?!"
"MasterBlaster"

asterdis
09-26-2003, 01:11 PM
The voiceover at the start of Road Warrior:
"They talked talked and talked" and then in short "while the world went to hell".

A "big" moment is also when they fight over the dog meat.

To me, the true quality in the movies, all three isn't the action at all. It is the apocalyptic theme.

Neverending
09-26-2003, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by JohnnyBgood
gas for his car...

That is the problem I have with Road Warrior, it's basically two hours of Australians fighting for gasoline. I understand the who symbolism behind it, but storywise Road Warrior is the weakest in the trilogy.

yeahyeahyeah73
09-26-2003, 04:15 PM
I'm kind of shocked that anyone would vote for Thunderdome. It's kind of like the "Return of the Jedi" of this series; pretty good, but nowhere near the other two. IMO the Road Warrior was the best.

spiderman_2k
09-26-2003, 04:27 PM
Road Warrior

Hitman
09-26-2003, 05:34 PM
Ditto

Neverending
09-26-2003, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by yeahyeahyeah73
I'm kind of shocked that anyone would vote for Thunderdome. It's kind of like the "Return of the Jedi" of this series; pretty good, but nowhere near the other two. IMO the Road Warrior was the best.

Thunderdome is a full package. There is a good plot, the characters were pretty cool like Master Blaster and even Tina Turner was alright. The fight scene at the Thunderdome was awesome, it was like a post-apocalyptic gladiator match. Max became a real hero because he wasn't just saving people's life in favor for gasoline and the climax was classic Mad Max with the car chase scene and the train.

asterdis
09-28-2003, 12:40 AM
It was okay, but not in the class of the other two. Basically they could have sent it in prime time american tv. That is a bad sign...

sniktawt
09-28-2003, 02:30 AM
Originally posted by Neverending
Thunderdome is a full package. There is a good plot, the characters were pretty cool like Master Blaster and even Tina Turner was alright. The fight scene at the Thunderdome was awesome, it was like a post-apocalyptic gladiator match. Max became a real hero because he wasn't just saving people's life in favor for gasoline and the climax was classic Mad Max with the car chase scene and the train.

Thunderdome is probably the best first 45 minutes of any Action film I ever seen, then when the kids come into it , it becomes a piece of crap.It was so boring and it all falls apart at the end.

As for Tina, She is One of the greatest Villains in Film History!!!
Truly awesome and SHE had a presence that can be just felt.Great voice as well.

Like I said I loved the first 45 minutes of this then it dies on me.I compare the first of this movie to T2 as far as action goes but T2 never let up, THUNDERDOME dies big time.
Those damn kids!!!I heard there is a director's cut that remedys the kid scenes but that may be bull****!!!

The Insider
09-28-2003, 06:28 AM
Originally posted by tedward
My favourite is the original Mad Max. The cars the mad biker gang the revenge etc.

Two a great movie too.

Not a big fan of the third one.

I agree with all three statements.

playstation2128
09-28-2003, 01:13 PM
There all c***

Neverending
09-28-2003, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by sniktawt
Thunderdome is probably the best first 45 minutes of any Action film I ever seen, then when the kids come into it , it becomes a piece of crap.It was so boring and it all falls apart at the end.

This is the same excuse everyone gives. Just like the biker gang and gasoline were symbolisms in the first two Mad Max films, the kids in Thunderdome symbolise the new generation. The generation that will rebuild the world (or Australia at least). Max is pretty much their savior.

This is why I think Fury Road should be made. Perhaps it will make people understand Thunderdome a little better.

asterdis
09-29-2003, 11:55 PM
Oh, it was easy to see the symbolism, but execution wasn't great anyway.
As stated: Its main fault is that it lacks the seriousness of the first two, bein ga parody on itself.

Rational_1
09-30-2003, 12:32 PM
The Road Warrior(which was not called "Mad Max 2" btw...that sounds so cheesy) was by far adn quite easily the best of the trilogy.It was a revolutionary film for it's time.

The original Mad Max was not TOO bad but it was not terribly original.Basically a cop in the not-too distant future goes after a gang of typical "biker thugs" lead by a typical "crazed biker thug" who typically kill his family, insuring Max's transformation into a vengeance-obsessed vigilante.

The Road Warrior was responsible for changing how a lot of creative types envisioned the future and action movies.The punk-rock/anarchist look of the characters, the "gas is more valuable than ANYTHING" plot, the characterisations...especially the Humongous, the homosexual, mohawked marauder, the gyro-pilot...everyone was interesting if not ominous in their screen presence.
The voiceover which opened and closed the film was one of the most haunting pieces of movie magic and cinematic history.

They should have stopped with this one and never made the PG-13 Beyond Thunderdome.

MM:Beyond Thunderdome had it's good points but like all big(ger) budget sequels it suffers from "overproduction".The pop-rock soundtrack, the abundance of comic-relief and generally "happier" tone etc. bring the movie down a few notches.
On top of that the movie suffers greatly because two different directors were brought in to helm the pic'.Characterizations seemed inconsistent at various points in the film.
Not a bad movie but no where near the Road Warrior's greatness.

Neverending
09-30-2003, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by Rational_1
The Road Warrior(which was not called "Mad Max 2" btw...that sounds so cheesy) was by far and quite easily the best of the trilogy. It was a revolutionary film for it's time.

The original Mad Max was not TOO bad but it was not terribly original. Basically a cop in the not-too distant future goes after a gang of typical "biker thugs" lead by a typical "crazed biker thug" who typically kill his family, insuring Max's transformation into a vengeance-obsessed vigilante.

The Road Warrior was responsible for changing how a lot of creative types envisioned the future and action movies.The punk-rock/anarchist look of the characters, the "gas is more valuable than ANYTHING" plot, the characterisations...especially the Humongous, the homosexual, mohawked marauder, the gyro-pilot...everyone was interesting if not ominous in their screen presence.
The voiceover which opened and closed the film was one of the most haunting pieces of movie magic and cinematic history.

They should have stopped with this one and never made the PG-13 Beyond Thunderdome.

MM:Beyond Thunderdome had it's good points but like all big(ger) budget sequels it suffers from "overproduction".The pop-rock soundtrack, the abundance of comic-relief and generally "happier" tone etc. bring the movie down a few notches.
On top of that the movie suffers greatly because two different directors were brought in to helm the pic'.Characterizations seemed inconsistent at various points in the film.
Not a bad movie but no where near the Road Warrior's greatness.

Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior is the Australian title. In the US it's just called Road Warrior because Mad Max didn't have a proper release here, so a lot of people weren't familiar with it. Anyway, Road Warrior may have the better and groundbreaking characterization and setting, but the plot is very weak. It's just a bunch of Australians fighting for gasoline. There's no two ways about it. At least Thunderdome has a decent storyline, a great fight scene at the thunderdome, good characters, and a nice ending.

I do agree with you that Mad Max was not a great movie, but it was very entertaining at least.

Rational_1
10-01-2003, 12:47 PM
Actually the plot of The Road Warrior was refreshingly original IMO.It is easy to NOT see it now because so many movies, books, tv shows, comics and games that have come out since have borrowed so much from The Road Warrior but when this movie came on the scene in the early 80's it was like nothing ever seen before.
A plot does not have to be complciated to be original or appealing.They could have thrown in all sorts of twists and such but thankfully the screenwriters recognized the folly of doing so.They had a vision and they chose not to spoil it by tossing in unnecessary, extraneous complications.

One thing that makes The Roadd Warrior so great is that it is believeable.Unlike a lot of previous "visions of the future", the scenario presented in RW is, for the most part realistic(sure we can nitpick some things if we want to be sticklers but I am talking in comparison to what came before in movies and such).It is not hard to imagine a world where, after the inevitable collapse of society, men prey upon other men and one's odds of surviving another day are in proportion to one's ability to obtain enough gasoline to get from where you are to someplace "better".

Beyond Thunderdome, as I said, was not a BAD movie.It is just way too "polished" and overproduced.It does not have the drama or character of RW.As far as sequels go it pretty much follows the handbook on making bigger budgeted sequels to cult classics with the "lighter"(re:PG-13) tone, marketable soundtrack, at least one "big" celebrity(Turner), tons of comic relief, message of hope etc....all geared for mass audience appreciation.

Having said that, MM:BT was still way better executed than most sequels.