Tarantino on the Matrix and CGI In General

[superxero88]

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Ever wonder what Quentin Tarantino thinks of all the films these days making (unnecessary?) use of CGI and digital effects? Well there's no need to wonder anymore. In a recent interview with UK rag Empire Magazine (the issue hits stands later this week), the tirade prone and expletive spouting director tells us exactly what he thinks of films like THE MATRIX, and it's computer effects driven counterparts: "I watched Keanu watching and I suddenly felt it," explains Tarantino. [Warning: what follows is definitely an 18 rating verbal explosion] "You know, my guys are all real. There's no computer *****ing around. I'm sick to death of all that *****. This is old school with *****ing cameras. If i'd wanted all that computer game bull*****, I'd have gone home and stuck my dick in my Nintendo." and later continued; "This CGI bull***** is the death knell of cinema. Movies are far too *****ing expensive at the moment and it's killing the *****ing art form. The way it's going, in ten year's time it will officially be killed."

Later on in the interview the director did manage to quell his ranting long enough to share some insight into the feel of his upcoming "split" opus, KILL BILL: "Vol 2 is out February 20. Vol 1 is a pure burst of adrenaline. Two we slow it down a little bit, you get to know the characters more, especially Bill; he's in every other *****ing frame. Two's more like my other movies, the dialogue comes to the fore, and it's more chronologically *****ed. And it really ain't gonna end pretty."

[Faithless Eye]

Wow.

That's pretty powerful and he manages to plug his own film at the same time.

<vader>Impressive.</vader>

[superxero88]

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Originally posted by Faithless Eye
Wow.

That's pretty powerful
heh
Originally posted by AcE from the MatrixFans.Net Forum
Avoid using an excessive amount of foul language. Its very childish and people might not take you seriously.

[Fanible]

Indeed. I might agree with him if there was more to come on than a couple sentanced article.

I hope Kill Bill is good. Cause so far the trailers have done little to impress, and looks like nothing more than a cheesy action film with actors who don't look right doing the things they attempt doing. The only reason im seeing it is because Quentin is in the director's chair.

This probably should of been in the General Movies forum by the way.

And just for the record, the point of the Matrix sequels WAS the new ground breaking effects. Im sure for the real fighting parts that ARE in the Matrix (which are probably much more impressive than Quentins upcoming fight scenes) are plenty enough for the eye. Especially with one of the greatest martial arts coreographers behind them.

[Faithless Eye]

heh.

Tarantino was good in Desperado wasn't he?

[Fanible]

lol, I guess so =P

But im not sure what that has to do with this.

[Faithless Eye]

it was just a random thing, i had just finished watching Desperado on my computer then i came back and saw this thread :p

Anyway, meh. We can all make our own judgements on the Matrix sequels.

Personally i didnt' think the CG use was that bad, however it WAS bad in Star Wars.

[Riddle]

Is it me, or does Tarantine seem to swear just for the hell of it?

[Kris Hodgson]

Originally posted by Faithless Eye

Personally i didnt' think the CG use was that bad, however it WAS bad in Star Wars.

The CG in Star Wars was almost flawless. When Neo is fighting all of the Smiths, you can REALLY tell its CG. Star Wars had much better in my opinion. I love both series of films, so I'm not biased. Just the facts.

[MovieWes]

I thought that his whole reason behind making "Kill Bill" was because he was so impressed with the first "Matrix" film and wanted to do his own movie with a similar style.

Anyways, isn't there a few CG shots in "Kill Bill?" It's his most expensive movie to date, coming in at close to $70 million.

[downflow311]

yeah you know what else is killing the artform tarantino? splitting movies into two so you get double the box office take. this guy is a f'ing hypocrit.

[Hushm0ney]

I don't think there is CG, but there are animations, kinda like what they did with Quintens script. Natural Born Killers, some japanese animation company that does the Ghost in the Shell series is doing it I beleive.

[downflow311]

Originally posted by Faithless Eye
it was just a random thing, i had just finished watching Desperado on my computer then i came back and saw this thread :p

Anyway, meh. We can all make our own judgements on the Matrix sequels.

Personally i didnt' think the CG use was that bad, however it WAS bad in Star Wars.

you have it backwards. im a fan of both series and SW was better IMO. burly brawl was too cartoony; overdone.

[Ap2000]

Allthough I don't have the same opinion, I think it's good he has a nintendo and nothing else @home. *g*

Go Nintendo !

[downflow311]

:lol:

[downflow311]

i wish tarantino would just shut his mouth. the more he talks the more i dislike him. and i loved resevoir dogs and pulp fiction.

[Fanible]

Originally posted by Kris Hodgson
The CG in Star Wars was almost flawless.

I like you Kris, but....

:lol: :lol: :lol:

The ORIGINAL Star Wars (With no CGI) was almost flawless. I have no clue what you're talkin about with the CG in the new Star Wars (or dear lord, the SW SE for that matter).

[Fanible]

Originally posted by downflow311
i wish tarantino would just shut his mouth. the more he talks the more i dislike him. and i loved resevoir dogs and pulp fiction.

Well he's never been a likable person in real life.

Considering some people didn't like Jackie Brown, im not sure what the signs are for Kill Bill. It's another new approach.

I liked Jackie Brown though, so we'll see if he can do it again.

[downflow311]

i wont be seeing Kill Bill. the trailer was way lame IMO and the dialogue was dispicable(sp)!!!!!!!!!

[Holy Ghost]

i think his style clashes w/ the matrix, and most sci-fi flics. i'll bet if he had all those dope artists, he'd be all about cgi. i think he's brilliant, but i dont like pot shots, especially against a major proponent of a revolution-ary style of filmmaking.

[Faithless Eye]

i didn't mean the actual CGI in Star Wars was bad...it was just used too much.

Generally speaking the CGI use in Matrix was ok...apart from the burly brawl. ok.

[Alien]

Why should we care what he thinks?

[Kris Hodgson]

Originally posted by Fanible

The ORIGINAL Star Wars (With no CGI) was almost flawless. I have no clue what you're talkin about with the CG in the new Star Wars (or dear lord, the SW SE for that matter).

What was some of the stuff you didn't like? I honestly thought the special effects were great. The Matrix was really cheezy looking in some parts. And like I said before, I love both franchises, so I am impartial.

[Fanible]

It wasn't that bad at the time. But I really don't like any of the effects in it now. And they don't even come close to the Matrix films NOW.

Um, Jar Jar, the aliens. Some of the aliens with their mouth is ok. Jabba the Hut. Heck Yodo was a puppet and he even looked bad.

The Star Wars SE are even worse, but I guess I can give them that, but I wouldn't of wanted it. I'd prefer the original movie without the added CGI now.

Honestly you're the first person ive heard say that you thought the Star Wars effects were better, and even to the point of saying they were almost flawless. Matrix's were almost flawless. The Burley Brawl was about the closest to flawless we've gotten so far in movie history.

I can understand people saying the Lord of the Rings effects were better than the Matrix.... but Star Wars? The thought makes me churn.

[G-Matrix]

I love tarantino's movies kill bill is an anime style movie, it's a very unusual tarantino's movie ....but I'm talking to u ....tarantino...ur movie will be more sucessful thanks to the matrix movies open this new market of anime style movies, so pist off and shut up....and by the way I 'm not afraid from u.......so great movies u have done and I hope this newe movie rocks

[Riddle]

What an odd post!

[G-Matrix]

u think so?

[Hushm0ney]

"tarantino...ur movie will be more sucessful thanks to the matrix movies open this new market of anime style movies"
Uhm that is an extremely ignorant thing to say. Matrix by no means started anything. "Wire Fu" was used for years and W. Bros. had to look up who made the movies so that they could use it. In fact the very same guy, Woo Ping or whatever who did the old Chinese movies that Quentin loves is the one that the W. Bros loved. And Woo Ping is helping Quentin make Kill Bill's 'wire fu' stunts. WITHOUT the cgi help to make it look "cooler" The whole point of Kill Bill is to make a kick ass action film using traditional cinema tricks and techniques. And to show that it can still look really great.

"i wont be seeing Kill Bill. the trailer was way lame IMO and the dialogue was dispicable(sp)!!!!!!!!!"

Well considering it's a film that total will be about 5 hours long, how would a few clips of dialog taken out of context for a montage trailer give you ANY idea of what the rest of the films will be like?

I'm looking forward to Matrix Revolutions, Return of the King, and Kill Bill just about equally, the end of 2003 is gonna have alot of great films to see, and I've been waiting for some kick ass movies to finnaly come out.

[downflow311]

Originally posted by Hushm0ney
"i wont be seeing Kill Bill. the trailer was way lame IMO and the dialogue was dispicable(sp)!!!!!!!!!"

Well considering it's a film that total will be about 5 hours long, how would a few clips of dialog taken out of context for a montage trailer give you ANY idea of what the rest of the films will be like?
2 words
lucy liu

[downflow311]

Originally posted by downflow311
yeah you know what else is killing the artform tarantino? splitting movies into two so you get double the box office take. this guy is a f'ing hypocrit.

like i said before, tarantino is a hypocrit.

[Seraph333]

LMAO That article is hilarious! And i agree Tarintino is a hypocrit!

[Fanible]

It's in his nature. Some of it probably goes into his movies and makes them what they are though.

[downflow311]

im passing on kill bill. i can easily wait until its out on dvd. that way, there wont be a cliffhanger ending since both dvds will be released at the same time.

[Seraph333]

true

[Hushm0ney]

I want to see it because it's pretty much a Fox Force Five movie.

[Hushm0ney]

"im passing on kill bill. i can easily wait until its out on dvd. that way, there wont be a cliffhanger ending since both dvds will be released at the same time."

Then how the hell did you feel when Reloaded ended? They did the same god damned thing? The reason they split the movies, and for that matter the reason movie theatres DON'T like movies over 2 hours is because they can't show them as many times during the day as a shorter film. And they can't sell as much coke candy and popcorn. I'm nore than positive the decision to split the movies was a business one and not one Quentin decided on. He isn't that far up the chain of command in the movie business to do that.

[downflow311]

Originally posted by Hushm0ney
Then how the hell did you feel when Reloaded ended? They did the same god damned thing? The reason they split the movies, and for that matter the reason movie theatres DON'T like movies over 2 hours is because they can't show them as many times during the day as a shorter film. And they can't sell as much coke candy and popcorn. I'm nore than positive the decision to split the movies was a business one and not one Quentin decided on. He isn't that far up the chain of command in the movie business to do that.

hmmmm..... didnt seem to bother LOTR. Reloaded and Kill Bill are in two different categories for me. one, i knew it would be a smart story worth paying to see. two, great dialogue in the trailer and great action. three, no lucy liu. sorry dude, but the Kill Bill trailer was really really lame IMO.

[joe_h]

I can understand people saying the Lord of the Rings effects were better than the Matrix.... but Star Wars? The thought makes me churn.

No offense, but anyone who claims the FX in the Star War films were bad has either lost their mind or wouldn't know good FX if it bit them in the arse. The FX in the prequels are incredible. You may not like the film, and that's debateable. But the quality of the FX are not. They're fantastic.

Um, Jar Jar, the aliens. Some of the aliens with their mouth is ok. Jabba the Hut. Heck Yodo was a puppet and he even looked bad.

Sorry! Again, you may not have liked the character, but as an effect he was fantastic. Sebulba, Watto, the Kaminoans, and the Geonosians were all brilliantly realized. They weren't nominated for Oscars as well as numerous VES awards for nothing.

You want to see fake looking FX, watch the burly brawl. Some of the Zion scenes in Reloaded looked fake. Even worse, look at the new Revolutions trailer. I haven't seen so many fake looking shots in my life. Just look at all the shots of the mechs. They look like they were ripped straight out of an Unreal Tournament game. The clone war on Geonosia looked a little fake, but not as bad as many of the shots in that trailer. It was a cool trailer, and it looks to be a beautiful film. There are some truly brilliant FX shots in the Revolutions trailer, but there are also some very fake ones too. The Wachowski's have gone more overboard than Lucas judging from the Revolutions trailer. You can't honestly complain that there is too much cg in the prequels, and then watch Reloaded and the Revolutions trailer, and claim differently.

[eclipsedman]

Hey Joe have you ever seen what a fight with 100 clones is like in person, I am so ****in tired of hearing about how fake looking something is. I am also tired of people comparing movies, take the movie for what it is worth.

[Ghostofzion2003]

LOL starwars was a cartoon right one large pile of ****. there is more **** in the starwars trilogy than any film i have ever seen the trailer revolutions is brilliant the effects are great the only one that looks undone is the face on the machine mainframe other than that its good.

and for lucas he just targets **** head litte kids and bases his story off of that *cough* JAR jAR crap head *cough*

[kel thuzad]

Originally posted by Ghostofzion2003
LOL starwars was a cartoon right one large pile of ****. there is more **** in the starwars trilogy than any film i have ever seen the trailer revolutions is brilliant the effects are great the only one that looks undone is the face on the machine mainframe other than that its good.

and for lucas he just targets **** head litte kids and bases his story off of that *cough* JAR jAR crap head *cough*
Ehm...I disagree.
No kid's business.
But Jar Jar's a f****n moron, that's for sure.

[downflow311]

IMO, here how i would put it

LOTR-Matrix(minus burly brawl-SW

but then again, look at my avatar and i am SEVERLEY biased, hehe.

[A Guy]

i like quentin, and love SW, Matrix and LOTR. i'm pretty unbaised, or really multi-baised if you look at it from another prospective and i think each is amazing, or going to be, in their own ways. yes there is excessive use of CGI sometimes and yes, it can look fake but i dont hate the movies because of it, but some people do.

and i dont mind the split-movie thing b/c i think the anticipation for the movie is half the fun. (these boards would not exist if it wasn't) Kill-Bill was cut mainly for two reasons, the studio decided it was too long b/c during filming Quentin wrote in and filmed new scenes, that were important enough that they couldn't be cut, and the first half apparrently makes a pretty-damn good movie by itself.

the cop-out would be "Kill-Bill" the trilogy. and i guess making more money is probably a good idea if you are a filmmaker too. but IMO $7.00 isn't that big of a deal........and i'm a broke musician.

it all comes down to the director's style of filmmaking. Quentin is anti-CGI, and Jackson, the WB, and Lucas are very for it, mainly b/c their stories are so "out-there" that most of the imagry they wish to use is almost impossible without computers. a clone-battle with props and real life actors and extras would cost a crapload of money, and a hundred Hugo Weaving look-alike stunt doubles on wires, fighting Keanu would be pretty hard too. (even though it was mostly shot like that)

its how they wish to film, and they did the best they could to make it realistic enough for the audience.

but they all ended up being very entertaining and that was the director's goal.

[A Guy]

wow i've never posted anything that long before.....

[downflow311]

Originally posted by A Guy
i like quentin, and love SW, Matrix and LOTR. i'm pretty unbaised, or really multi-baised if you look at it from another prospective and i think each is amazing, or going to be, in their own ways. yes there is excessive use of CGI sometimes and yes, it can look fake but i dont hate the movies because of it, but some people do.

and i dont mind the split-movie thing b/c i think the anticipation for the movie is half the fun. (these boards would not exist if it wasn't) Kill-Bill was cut mainly for two reasons, the studio decided it was too long b/c during filming Quentin wrote in and filmed new scenes, that were important enough that they couldn't be cut, and the first half apparrently makes a pretty-damn good movie by itself.

the cop-out would be "Kill-Bill" the trilogy. and i guess making more money is probably a good idea if you are a filmmaker too. but IMO $7.00 isn't that big of a deal........and i'm a broke musician.

it all comes down to the director's style of filmmaking. Quentin is anti-CGI, and Jackson, the WB, and Lucas are very for it, mainly b/c their stories are so "out-there" that most of the imagry they wish to use is almost impossible without computers. a clone-battle with props and real life actors and extras would cost a crapload of money, and a hundred Hugo Weaving look-alike stunt doubles on wires, fighting Keanu would be pretty hard too. (even though it was mostly shot like that)

its how they wish to film, and they did the best they could to make it realistic enough for the audience.

but they all ended up being very entertaining and that was the director's goal.

a well thought out statement:applaud:

[G-Matrix]

I know "wire " fu was used way before the matrix, but in the american movie market was never used till the matrix so matrix indeed open the doors to anime style movies

[A Guy]

there is no question that the Matrix mainstreamed the "wire-fu" genre of action, and anime style movies. that's what makes it so revolutionary. but just like the people on these boards, Mr. Tarantino is allowed to have his opinion. he is a HUGE fan of more traditional style of film and the "CGI Revolution" is taking over his style of cinema, so it's only natural that he would respond somewhat distastefully towards it. but i also think as a filmmaker he should respect other forms of film.

[downflow311]

Originally posted by A Guy
there is no question that the Matrix mainstreamed the "wire-fu" genre of action, and anime style movies. that's what makes it so revolutionary. but just like the people on these boards, Mr. Tarantino is allowed to have his opinion. he is a HUGE fan of more traditional style of film and the "CGI Revolution" is taking over his style of cinema, so it's only natural that he would respond somewhat distastefully towards it. but i also think as a filmmaker he should respect other forms of film.

i agree. further evidence tarantino is a hypocrit

[G-Matrix]

yes

[Hushm0ney]

I do believe that Hidden Dragon Crouching Tiger brought wire fu to america.. not the matrix, but since you are basing this on an an AMERICAN doing and otherwise Asian way of filming I can see yor point, but I think HDCT is where alot of americans saw that style of fighting and the first time an asian film was shown nation wide here in the states.

[Fanible]

Originally posted by Hushm0ney
I do believe that Hidden Dragon Crouching Tiger brought wire fu to america.. not the matrix, but since you are basing this on an an AMERICAN doing and otherwise Asian way of filming I can see yor point, but I think HDCT is where alot of americans saw that style of fighting and the first time an asian film was shown nation wide here in the states.

Except CT,HD came out a year later....

Anyways, it doesn't matter. The Wachowski's said repeatedly that their inspiration was bringing Anime style to life. Also mentioned some film makers from Hong Knog. They are big fanatics of asian films, and even more of animes. Thus where a lot of it came from. They used the effect means and funding of American movies, mixed it with Asian style film making, and added in their large sum of knowledge and long years of story writing. It created a perfect film.

[Hushm0ney]

And all thanks to Yuen Wo Ping who did Crouching Tiger, The Matrix and now Kill Bill... gone are the days of martial arts...now it's fantasy magic martial arts. But unlike Crouching Tiger, the Matrix actually explains WHY they can do what they do, instead of reading a book and being able to fly and fight on the tops of trees like its some witches book.

[NE0]

I think Tarantino is a no talent "hack" and it boggles my mind that people even watch his stuff. I saw Pulp Fiction and it was ok but nothing great. Can't he tell a story without having people curse every other word and use excesive amounts of violence?

I've seen the trailer for Kill Bill and it look's like at most it would be a decent rental.


Why is it (Besides the Matrix and some comic movies) that every action movie like Kill Bill and Charlie's Angels have normal humans doing these impossible things like dodging bullets and jumping through the air without an explination of how they can move like that. I'm so sick of it.


Can't Hollywood figure out that we don't need to see the same style of fighting in EVERY film just because one came out and did something alittle bit different????

Just proves that about 80% of Hollywood is a bunch of morons that can't do anything but copy whatever they see and don't have a mind to think for themselves.

Maybe they need a NEO to "Free their minds"


Anyway...Quinton needs to go back to working at Blockbuster and stop making crap films.

[redpill]

lets put it this way iam gonna be quin all night too see revolutions BUT i aint no way gonna see kill bill the trailer looks just like charlies angles

[downflow311]

Originally posted by NE0
I think Tarantino is a no talent "hack" and it boggles my mind that people even watch his stuff. I saw Pulp Fiction and it was ok but nothing great. Can't he tell a story without having people curse every other word and use excesive amounts of violence?

I've seen the trailer for Kill Bill and it look's like at most it would be a decent rental.


Why is it (Besides the Matrix and some comic movies) that every action movie like Kill Bill and Charlie's Angels have normal humans doing these impossible things like dodging bullets and jumping through the air without an explination of how they can move like that. I'm so sick of it.


Can't Hollywood figure out that we don't need to see the same style of fighting in EVERY film just because one came out and did something alittle bit different????

Just proves that about 80% of Hollywood is a bunch of morons that can't do anything but copy whatever they see and don't have a mind to think for themselves.

Maybe they need a NEO to "Free their minds"


Anyway...Quinton needs to go back to working at Blockbuster and stop making crap films.

i agree with you totally. at best kill bill looks like a decent rental.

[Ghostofzion2003]

Originally posted by Kris Hodgson
What was some of the stuff you didn't like? I honestly thought the special effects were great. The Matrix was really cheezy looking in some parts. And like I said before, I love both franchises, so I am impartial.


OK here we go,
CG yoda(most stupid sequence put on film), entire gungan fight, entire pod race, jar jar binks, the entire clone war, the stupid water race on komino, the beasts in the arena, the genosians, mostly all the aliens, every crappy backround those ********s congure up, did i say digatal yoda double crappy, jar jar binks he takes the cake of crappiness.

that is just a small list of the crappy CG of starwars and for matrix

i only had 2 problems the pole fighting scene and the digatal neo flying through the blowing biulding every other scene was amazing! there was not one moment that i enjoyed in the star wars movies!

[kel thuzad]

I don't want to turn this in to some arguing about Tarantino's work. I just can't beleive those posts ! I never thought someone would say something like that... mainly because i was completely blown away by both Reservoir dogs and Pulp fiction. Jackie Brown was cool too, but it seemed to me that he has somehow don't know what and it was wasn't really his style. Anyway, Kill Bill is gonna be great, you guys just wait.
I don't expect someone who don't like his work to like this film though.

[Fanible]

Yeah im not gonna dis his work. His stupidity and insane ideas have brought great peices to film regardless.

Pulp Fiction is by far one of my favorite films of all time. And im not sure really why. The whole of the film is like seeing other people's ordinary lives, and it's mainly dialogue (grant its not all like that). But it's facinating none the less.