Revolutions for Oscar?

[Saint Conner]

what do u think the chances of revolutions winning an oscar, and what oscars do u think it was potential to win. Reloaded isn't even going to be entered so it doesn't stand a chance, but revolutions does.

[Faithless Eye]

It'll be nominated for all the technicals. I don't know about how they will be nominated, do you think they could be put in as a single movie? Much of the set design is the same in both films (as is the VFX).

All the technicals.
I'd like to see Hugo or Lawrence nominated for Best Supporting Actor.
Best Director(s)? mebbe, possibly not
ditto Orig. Screenplay

[Marvin Nash]

I agree about Hugo Weaving. However, I really thought Lawrence acted Morpheus kinda too stiffly in Reloaded. I'm aware Morpheus is supposed to be totally serious, but in the first movie he seemed... shall I say... more human. Especially when they were going onto the freeway. He's talking to Link in the most monotone voice. Kinda makes you think he's not too worried about getting away.

[true fan11212]

Revolutions is not likely to score any major nominations(though any Oscar nomination is major), but it should get into a couple of the technical categories:

Most Likely

Best Film Editing
Best Visual Effects
Best Sound
Best Sound Effects Editing
(Pretty much all the nominations the original got).

Possibly

Best Make Up
Best Costume Design

Unlikely

Original Musical Score

[Saint Conner]

as for how they would be categorized, it would be two seperate movies but they have decided to only enter revolutions. Reloaded will not even be considered for an oscar.

[Fanible]

It will, or atleast should win for best effects. Considering Revolutions is basicly the runner for both Reloaded and Revolutions.

Anything else, im not sure. It could win any other technical areas, but im going to doubt it. Effects are about the only chance I think it has.

I like what Seraph333 said regarding this in another thread talking about the oscars:
"I could care less if Reloaded gets nominated or not because the Oscars are always wrong in my opinion."

Which I entirely agree with. Who cares if Reloaded/Revolutions gets nominated or awarded with anything? The Academy is stupid nowadays.

And you can tell how much the Lord of the Rings guys thinks of it, considering they didn't even mention the Oscars it got nominated for with the Two Towers on their box, as most movies in the Oscars do. Cause a real good movie doesn't need to announce it's "awards" on the box to make it have any worth.

It's all crock, and at this point I could care less what films get put into it. Want good Movie Award ceremonies? Watch the Golden Globes. Or even better, the MTV Movie Awards, which is about 10 times more entertaining and worth your time.

[Faithless Eye]

Peter Jackson doesn't have much say on what goes on the box. It's the marketing guys.

The Oscars did get put on the Fellowship's box...and that was a better film.

[Fanible]

Smart guys.

I liked the Two Towers better personally.

Now im hoping to round it off with ROTK being the favorite. The way a trilogy should be.

[The Elf King]

Watch the new trailer for Revolutions and minds will change =)
But people have there own opinion, but when I saw that trailer on RISE UK Tv I was shocked! Its going to be one hell of a movie and will easly compet with ROTK.

[MovieWes]

Return of the King will win the visual effects Oscar. Lord of the Rings is way more popular with the Academy than The Matrix is. The Matrix could win best sound or best sound editing (probably not, though), but I'm positive that Return of the King will win for visual effects.

The Matrix Reloaded turned off a lot of moviegoers. I doubt that Revolutions is going to restore the faith of the Academy. Personally, I wasn't impressed at all by the FX in Reloaded. I thought it looked VERY fake. Revolutions will be nominated, but it won't win.

[Fanible]

The only effects Return of the King could win for, was already seen and won for in the Two Towers. It won't win special effects again for the same thing.

And Reloaded/Revolutions is much more ground breaking. It doesn't matter who got turned off, and how good a movie was in the opinion of whoever you speak of. Do you know the Academy personally? I don't remember them ever talking about the Matrix so deeply as you say. Regardless of what YOU think about the effects in Reloaded, fake as you say, they are still the best to date. That's what urks me, because nothing has been better looking effects wise.

I can almost guarentee Revolutions will win best effects. It wouldn't make sense for ROTK to win, unless only NOW we were seeing Golum for the first time.

Considering im a bigger Lord of the Rings fan, this has nothing to do with just being a Matrix fanboy, as oppose to most Lord of the Rings people dissing the Matrix that are.

It's simply called common sense.

[Riddle]

Originally posted by Fanible

I can almost guarentee Revolutions will win best effects. It wouldn't make sense for ROTK to win, unless only NOW we were seeing Golum for the first time.


I disagree.
If ROTKs effects are the same as TTT, Revolutions effects will have to be better. If the effect are the same, it would be just as eligible for the Oscar. It wouldn't make sence to say "Last year these were the best effect, but they won already." just because there are no movies with better effects.

[Fanible]

But it doesn't have any phenomenal new acheivment of effects though. Golum was the REASON it won best effects last year. Not because we could see many orcs running along a battlefield. There isn't anything else spectacular except maybe Shelob.

Revolutions/Reloaded hasn't won anything yet. Revolutions is basicly going by both movies. And both movies have amazing new effects and advancements.

Effects also don't just include the result and opinion. It also includes on what they did to acheive their effects.

What would ROTK win for besides Golum? Golum was the whole reason it won last year over Star Wars.

It will get nominated undoubtedly, but I doubt it will win. It just wouldn't make sense if it did. There's probably going to be nothing new that stands out, except like I said Shelob, whom im hoping will be more make-up than CGI.

But heck I'd say Reloaded/Revolutions effects would put up a good fight even if it was facing Golum for the first time.

Grant we'll see when ROTK comes out and what they have thats new to offer... and maybe whatever that is will give it chance for the effects award. But right now I can't think of anything except Shelob and some battlefield stuff.

But personally, I think Revolutions will deserve the effects award more. Heck it will probably one of the only awards it gets nominated for. And considering what they managed to make over the years, it definitly deserves it.

Revolutions/Reloaded deserves the effects undoubtedly. ROTK deserves atleast BD and maybe even BP.

[Riddle]

Ok.
But the oscars don't go to movies with the best effects EVER. They go to the movie with the best effects of that year.

So, unless there is a movie with better effects then ROTK, it will win.

[Fanible]

Exactly. Reloaded and Revolutions IS coming out the same year.

So duh, of course if ROTK has better effects it will win. But I don't think it will. Like I said it has nothing new or spectacular to win it by, except Golum, and maybe shelob.

[Riddle]

While I don't KNOW what ROTK has up it's sleeve, I have a pretty good idea what it does. Simply because I've read the book, and more importantly, have seen the previous 2 movies.

I know what it has produced before, and what it has to produce in this one. Therefore, since they are batting 2-0, the effects are going to be fan-freaking-tastic.

I'm not saying that the Matrix is going to lose to ROTK, I'm just saying that ROTK shouldn't be counted out, just because TTT won last year.

[Fanible]

Well I never said it was going to be counted out. There's no way it won't get nominated. I was merely replying to a comment that was saying ROTK was going to win best effects hands down, cause Reloaded's effects wern't that great. Which is just ridiculous.

[Riddle]

I don't want to argue or anything, but you did actually say (paraphrasing) "ROTK won't win, Matrix will." Which is just the opposite of what the person you were replying to said. Therefore, by your own logic, equally ridiculous! :p

[Fanible]

No, what I actually said was it won't win for the same thing it already has. Which I think it won't offer much more than it already has. FOTR's effects didn't go anywhere into the Two Towers except for Golum. And I have also read the books, and there isn't much more for it go to.

If it pulls off something, maybe it can win. But I don't see the effects team coming up with anything phenomenal that can make it have more recognition than the already award winning Golum. It's got some pretty fantastic wide array of effects for the tunnels and battles, but thats it. Golum is something specific, and direct, which is why it was so amazing.

Regardless of the scenes I have in mind in ROTK that could possibly put up some competition, I think Matrix deserves to win the award anyways.

But duh, of course ROTK is gonna get nominated. It has awsome effects in it. But nothing I think it will have that is so specific and stands out. Why do you think Star Wars didn't win? Because it didn't have anything like that, that was shown through Golum. And what other movies can you throw into the category anyway?

Obviously another film thats going be in cahoots with them both is Pirates of the Carribean.

[Riddle]

Dude, you're contradicting yourself.

Originally posted by Fanible

I can almost guarentee Revolutions will win best effects. It wouldn't make sense for ROTK to win, unless only NOW we were seeing Golum for the first time.


Doesn't that essentially mean: "ROTK won't win, Matrix will."?

And as for ROTK not having anything going for it, go through the book again in your head. We've never seen anything like what is going to happen. And, if we're to believe what we've heard, the only thing that can match it will be in Revolutions!

[Fanible]

Alright, i'll give you that.

But when I said it won't be counted out, ive said repeated times that of course it will be nominated. Thats what I ment in reply to your comment about it being counted out. Ive never once said I thought it would win.

Fine, ROTK has a chance. But I still think Matrix deserves it. Heck its the only thing that it has a chance for, among minor technical awards. But I don't think whatever ROTK has to offer, can amount to the years ahead work that the Matrix has accomplished. It's work gone into it as well, not just the result.

Not that any of it really matters. Because I hate the Acedemy Oscars anyways, for reasons against stuff like Lord of the Rings and the Matrix. Effects are the only awards I could even consider discussing within their awards system, because they see it as another minor technical award, even though its much more.

In fact, if Peter Jackson doesn't win Best Director for ROTK, im just not gonna bother with the Oscars anymore. It'd just prove my overall theory about fantasy/sci-fi/comedies.

[The Inc]

Originally posted by MovieWes
Return of the King will win the visual effects Oscar.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

lol. sorry. have you SEEN any of the revolutions trailers? You must be joking. Revolutions Is Going to win for best Effects and THIS i can Promise you.

though i LOVE the trilogy it will NOT win any other Oscars.

I would LOVE to see Hugo Weaving Pull the best Supp. Actor award. that would be awesome and he plays an AMAZING charector. To bad it will never happen.

[Halofan1]

Originally posted by Fanible
No, what I actually said was it won't win for the same thing it already has. Which I think it won't offer much more than it already has. FOTR's effects didn't go anywhere into the Two Towers except for Golum. And I have also read the books, and there isn't much more for it go to.

If it pulls off something, maybe it can win. But I don't see the effects team coming up with anything phenomenal that can make it have more recognition than the already award winning Golum. It's got some pretty fantastic wide array of effects for the tunnels and battles, but thats it. Golum is something specific, and direct, which is why it was so amazing.

Regardless of the scenes I have in mind in ROTK that could possibly put up some competition, I think Matrix deserves to win the award anyways.

But duh, of course ROTK is gonna get nominated. It has awsome effects in it. But nothing I think it will have that is so specific and stands out. Why do you think Star Wars didn't win? Because it didn't have anything like that, that was shown through Golum. And what other movies can you throw into the category anyway?

Obviously another film thats going be in cahoots with them both is Pirates of the Carribean.

If the overrated Pirates wins over Revolutions, I'll be pissed.

[Macbane]

I'd say it'll be a good showdown between Matrix and ROTK for visual FX. Pirates was good, but in all obviousness not quite on par with the magnitude of the latter films.

[downflow311]

revolutions wont be nominated for any oscars. maybe a visual effect oscar and thats it. its illegal for a keaeu reeves film to be nominated for an oscar;)

[Ghostofzion2003]

ya reovlutions may take some special effects and editing but **** movies will take the rest

[The Moose]

it may get editing, but there is another contender which i am sure will win for SFX

[MovieWes]

Okay, it's been awhile since I checked this thread, so I have to stand up for myself.

Fanible, what do you know about the Oscars anyway? I don't mean to toot my own horn, but I've been predicting the Oscars since 1997, and I've got an 85% success rate at predicting them now. I've also read countless books and articles on the Oscars and consider myself somewhat of an expert on the subject. I'm not saying you should bow down to me or anything, just take what I say seriously because it's worth listening to.

You say that the Academy won't give ROTK best visual effects because everything in it is stuff we've seen before. Well, by that rationale, The Matrix Revolutions won't win because we've seen all that before too. Bullet-time was innovative back in 1999 when it first came out, but now it is the most overused technique in cinema today. The Charlie's Angels films, The One, and countless commercials have been using bullet-time since The Matrix, and now it's just overkill. What else does The Matrix have to offer us besides bullet-time? Lots of cool looking CGI? Okay, maybe. But the character animation, from what I've seen in The Matrix Reloaded, doesn't even come close to what we've seen in LOTR so far. You're going to honestly tell me that the CG-animated Keanu in The Matrix sequels was better looking than Gollum? I don't think so. And it's not like we've never seen explosions and flying ships before. There was nothing really innovative about The Matrix Reloaded in terms of visual effects. It just improved upon what had already been done in the past. I suppose that the same could be said about LOTR as well, but if the Academy is going to give an Oscar to something unoriginal in terms of visual effects, they're going to give it to the one with the better visuals, namely ROTK.

Of course, it's all just a matter of opinion, but something tells me that the Academy is going to be more impressed with ROTK than with The Matrix sequels. I could be wrong, and if I am, then I will come back and appologize next February or March or whenever the Academy decides to hold the awards next year.

If I sound like an azzhole, I appologize. Don't mean to if it sounds that way.

[Fanible]

The stuff in Reloaded/Revolutions is no where near the same as the stuff in Matrix. You think all they did was Bullet-Time?

All the CGI IS what SFX wins. Thats what TTT won for, the CGI Golum. Until I see the suspected scenes, and their CGI, chances are ROTK won't win unless Golum's effects are dramaticly enhanced, because thats ALL TTT won for last time.

I could care less if you're an expert on the Acedemy, because I believe Reloaded/Revolutions deserves to win for what they've manage create. Years ahead of it's time effects.

Unless the scenes im thinking of really has something that wow's me in ROTK, and then ive changed my mind, I don't think it should win. Because besides Golum, it doesn't have any other specifics. Although Golum is improved in ROTK, it isn't going to win the same award again. Like ive said before, it's not just because someone likes a movie, the effects are the result and what they did to get the effects.

Golum's effects were worth winning because of what they did to create them. Everything else is just tidbits compared to how they made Golum. But they did the same thing with Golum in the next movie, so it wouldn't win for those same effects.

Thats why I think Reloaded/Revolutions should win because of all the stuff they did to create the effects for their movies, which is much more deserving than ROTK's new effects which are just done on a computer.

Simply unless ive changed my mind after seeing ROTK, and ROTK wins at the Oscars.... they're just wrong. Which doesn't matter to me, because I think the Oscars are total crap now anyways.

[MovieWes]

All the CGI IS what SFX wins. Thats what TTT won for, the CGI Golum. Until I see the suspected scenes, and their CGI, chances are ROTK won't win unless Golum's effects are dramaticly enhanced, because thats ALL TTT won for last time.

First off, I never disputed that CGI didn't win SFX Oscars. I just said that the character animation in LOTR is far superior to that of The Matrix sequels.


I could care less if you're an expert on the Acedemy, because I believe Reloaded/Revolutions deserves to win for what they've manage create. Years ahead of it's time effects.

A recent poll of film experts just named LOTR the most advanced visual effects ever put on film. That honor never went to any of The Matrix films, so there goes your "years ahead of it's time" theory.


Thats why I think Reloaded/Revolutions should win because of all the stuff they did to create the effects for their movies, which is much more deserving than ROTK's new effects which are just done on a computer.

Are you trying to tell me that the FX in The Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions weren't done on a computer? This statement makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Oh well, it's not like FX is that important of an award anyway. Until the Oscars come around, let's just agree to disagree, okay? :)

[Fanible]

Im sorry to break it to you, but Golum, while what they did to create him was truley phenomenal and why it won a reward, is not better effects than what was created in Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions.

But even if Golum WAS the best effects around, it's not gonna win twice.

And no, they used a lot of computer work for the effects in Reloaded/Revolutions, but not ONLY that. They did a lot of amazing technological advancements to get what they did. Just like they did with Golum, which is why it was so amasing. I said just done on a computer, not done on a computer.

And the "years ahead of it's time" isn't a THEORY. It's true. The stuff that they pulled off in these two new movies is effects that only George Lucas DREAMS that he could of done.

The human CGI created in the films is the best to date. They created almost exact human duplicates. And if the human CGI was seen just standing in a crowd, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. The only reason it's noticible, is because you see the REAL actors moving and doing things right before it switches to CGI. The human brain can be triggered to notice this shift and change because you had a comparison back to back.

But heck, some people can't even notice it. If it wasn't so hyped and expected, I think even FEWER people wouldn't notice it. There's even some scenes that even people NOTICE it can't tell the difference. And that's an amasing accomplishment. What human CGI have we had besides it? A Legolas jumping off a (and lets be frank) bad CGI cave troll. And Spider Man jumping from roof to roof. No where near as good looking

Golum is only SOMEWHAT near to the accomplished human replicated CGI that Gaeta and company managed to conjur up. Techniques, brand new techniques, that took years to create. The only reason Golum is more acceptable, is because he looks the same from start to finish. You don't have a real life Golum to compare to. If there was an animatronic Golum, or real head to judge him by his CGI created self, he wouldn't look nearly as convincing. He looks the same all the way through, there's no reason to question him, because that's simply just how he looks. Thats why CGI can be so flawed when simply recreating it for scenes where a certain somebody couldn't possibly do it.

[Fanible]

What's ridiculous about all this is that im a BIGGER fan of Lord of the Rings. But im not a total fanboy that im going to ignore other movies like so many do.

Ive seen the accomplishments of both sides, and Revolutions/Reloaded deserves to win the Best Visual Effects oscar. Even if they DON'T win it, I still think they deserve to.

Im not sure what "experts" you're talkin about, but they're probably just plainly obsessed with LOTR, or made the judgement before the release of the two Matrix films (that's obvious since the 3rd hasn't come out yet), or not even really experts at all. Cause I sure as hell havn't heard about this 'vote' you speak of.

The only way im going to change my mind about it, is a couple select scenes that I know of in ROTK. And if whatever they come up with pushes me over, i'll gladly say "Oh yeah, definitly ROTK now." But as of now, they don't have anything besides Golum that has means, and what they are going to do to create these effects, makes me think that it deserves best SFX over the Matrix.

[Strider-Oni]

Originally posted by Fanible
What human CGI have we had besides it? A Legolas jumping off a (and lets be frank) bad CGI cave troll. And Spider Man jumping from roof to roof. No where near as good looking

How about 9 human models running through a bridge hundreds of feet above a chasm inside a dark mountain? Yes, that fly-by of the Fellowship running across the bridge of Khazzad-dum was entirely CG created, except for the setting of course, which was created as a miniature. But every member of the fellowship was recreated and animated in the computer...and it looked FAR more realistic than the Playdoh-like Neo jumping over the zillion Smiths.

In short: WETA Digital >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The conglomerate of FX companies who did the CG work for Reloaded and Revolutions.

[Fanible]

Yes, im aware of that. It's also much farther away in view :rolleyes:. It's why a CGI battle scene of many men and orcs walking across a field (thats in FOTR too you know), won't get much recognition for an award. And I can still tell those 9 are CGI. How bout a zoom in on them? You won't be saying they're much more realistic anymore.

If you're going to join this conversation, please don't bring something totally insignifigant in comparison to the table.

And get out of here. Play-doh my ass.
Like I said before, stand him in a crowd of real people just WALKING or doing nothing, and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference, and that's true.

Watch the making-of for Reloaded coming soon (they already have some stuff on it online). They put a CGI recreation of Hugo Weavings face next to a picture of the real Hugo Weaving. You can't tell the difference.

Human mind trigger in the movement comparison to real life that you see right before hand in the film. Do I need to re-explain all this? Or maybe you can scroll up and actually read my post.

[Strider-Oni]

Originally posted by Fanible
Yes, im aware of that. It's also much farther away in view :rolleyes:. It's why a CGI battle scene of many men and orcs walking across a field (thats in FOTR too you know), won't get much recognition for an award.

And get out of here. Play-doh my ass.

Like I said before, stand him in a crowd of real people just WALKING or doing nothing, and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference, and that's true.

Watch the making-of for Reloaded coming soon (they already have some stuff on it online). They put a CGI recreation of Hugo Weavings face next to a picture of the real Hugo Weaving. You can't tell the difference AT ALL.

Bleh. I could care less if they "created" the techniques to be able to create perfectly accurate renditions of humans in the computer...it's the "whole picture" that I'm interested in, and I think the same applies to the academy and it's members. The combination of miniatures, CG work and real-life/fictitious environments (all of these elements backed by excellent art direction), in my opinion, is more deserving of an award than uninspired visions of post-apocalyptic earth and badly-composited "mechas".

Now dl the theatrical trailer for The Return of the King. Look at that aerial shot of three ringwraiths on fell beasts diving towards Minas Tirith...perfection. See what I'm talking about? :D

[Fanible]

Originally posted by Strider-Oni
Bleh. I could care less if they "created" the techniques to be able to create perfectly accurate renditions of humans in the computer...

Dude, but that's what makes a movie deserving of THIS kind of award. Hello?

If the Oscars think as the way you do, then they really are total crap. Because an award for effects is not going to base it on a film itself, but on, yes, what was put in and the final result.

Your opinion on the final result is meaningless, because your opinion on it is obvious crap. The final result was a masterpeice, and cinema history in the making.

TTT didn't win for it's overall effect of CGI orcs running accross a battlefield. It won for the creature named Golum. What they did to create him and what the outcome was.

Everything you mention is irrelevent to anything anyways, because ROTK isn't going to win for rehashed and reused effects. Golum and CGI creatures running across a field is what they've already done.

What ROTK needs to do to in reality win an award for it's effects, is to have something entirely new up their sleeves. Two scenes come to mind, but have no clue what they're planning on doing for it, but I can imagine. But until ive seen them, it's nothing yet.

So as of right now, what was created in Revolutions/Reloaded, deserves to win. As ive said a dozen times. Despite what you, in your personal opinion, think... what they created in these two Matrix films has some of the best, if not THE best effects to date.

The Burley Brawl still knocks my socks off, and love watching it still.

Any super fans of LOTR should leave. Because I hate argueing with people on something like this, that won't even SLIGHTLY acknowledge the unbelievable feat that Gaeta and his effects team has managed to create. A total new category of it's own, Cinematography.

A design that falsifies reality, and makes the unbelievable seem real.

They almost completly perfected this new filming technique making practicly completly real CGI humans. However due to over hype, and comparison to the real of human mind before hand, it isn't completely perfected yet. But because of how hard it was to create, no other company is going to manage to perfect it anytime soon.

But it was also used for many other scenes. Example of one Trinity on a motorcycle speeding against traffic on a tunnel highway, making close calls as each car she passes.

The simple point im getting at, is that Reloaded/Revolutions, as of now, DESERVES to win the award. Plain and simple.

[MovieWes]

I've never put down the FX in The Matrix films at all, except that I thought that some of them looked fake. They took what had already been done in the past, and then took it to the next level. I understand how difficult it is to recreate human beings on a computer, and The Matrix films almost pulled it off. That in itself is worthy of a nomination. However, The Lord of the Rings films have done so much more to push the evolution of visual effects along. The team that constructed Gollum, for example, created photo-realistic skin, a feat that had never been accomplished to that extent before. He even moved and interacted with the actors in a totally convincible fashion. That is what won the Oscar for "The Two Towers."

In fact, the CGI cave troll in "The Fellowship of the Ring" is not what won the WETA team the visual effects Oscar back in 2002. We had already seen equally, if not more convincing character animation in "Jurassic Park" 8 years earlier. Ultimately, it was the MASSIVE battles at the beginning of the film, as well as the completely convincing CG art direction, that almost certainly attracted the Oscar voters. It was the first time a battle of that proportion had ever been created on film without live actors, and it was a step ahead of everything that had ever been accomplished in visual effects to date. It was something completely new, in other words.

Gollum and the amped-up use of MASSIVE in "The Two Towers" won the Oscar for WETA the next year. Again they created something completely new that had never been witnessed on film before. I am totally convinced that WETA has something fresh up their sleeves to show us in "The Return of the King," something that we have never witnessed before. I could be completely wrong, and if I am I will admit it. However, they've earned themselves a reputation of doing this, and I have really no reason to believe that they're going to do any different this year.

[MovieWes]

For a better picture of all that went into the FX for LOTR, click on the link below..

http://www.apple.com/shake/stories/lotr2/

For a more detailed look at the FX for The Matrix sequels, click this link below..

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.05/matrix2_pr.html


I'll let you decide.

[Fanible]

Ive read and seen both those. And I also own the EE of FOTR and TTT DVD, as well as all the LOTR movie books.

Anyways, like I said, I have a couple scenes in mind that they could do something new. But im not expecting anything big and nearly signifigant.

Plus I wouldn't be suprised if LOTR wins best effects again anyways. They'll probably grudge it off for BP and just give it effects instead. It won over A.I. in 2002, which I'd probably say had much better effects than FOTR as well.

And TTT didn't even have competition 2003, but it would of won regardless of competition for Golum. Whom I keep giving credit for and explain hes the reason they won. Also, the Matrix team created photo realistic skin as well. And the skin for Golum was only that way for the close-ups. But any of that is irrelevent, because like I also keep repeating, it shouldn't win for Golum AGAIN.

The Oscars are just dumb, even though im glad LOTR won atleast SOMETHING those years. If ROTK doesn't win BP, or atleast BD, i'll just let them have SFX regardless of the outcome of ROTK.

BRING ON MTV MOVIE AWARDS! ROTK will probably win BP there.

[Dracula]

all it will be nominated for are FX, and Hugo as a dark horse for Supporting Actor

I think the one non-FX oscar a matrix film has a good chance of winning in is Best Animated Short for one of the Animatrix (probably Osiris)

[DolAmroth]

Originally posted by The Inc
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

lol. sorry. have you SEEN any of the revolutions trailers? You must be joking. Revolutions Is Going to win for best Effects and THIS i can Promise you.

though i LOVE the trilogy it will NOT win any other Oscars.

I would LOVE to see Hugo Weaving Pull the best Supp. Actor award. that would be awesome and he plays an AMAZING charector. To bad it will never happen.

Have you seen the Return of the king trailer those are awesome effects. And the one that wins is the one that has the stronger feeling to it, and Huge epic sword battles have a stronger feeling then robots fighting sorry but its true. though I do think matrix should get best CINEMATOGRAPHY.

[true fan11212]

Strider-Oni:I'm inclind to agree with you. I didn't even know that the fellowship, as the ran across the bridge, was completely CGI until I watch Disc four of the EE again, last month.

Fanible:I wouldn't say it had no competition(for SFX)last year... Anyway, at this point I think X2 had far more realistic Visual Effects than Reloaded... To me, Reloaded had a good portion of its effects stick out. Ex:The Burly Brawl(Which I loved), Neo Flying(Which I loved), the Agent jumping from the car, and when the Architech's building explodes.

[neo1980]

All i can tell you guys is when the oscar people see the zion vs humans battle and the smith vs neo battle with neo and smith smashing each others into craters and wrecking buildings they will forget about LOTR because the LOTR CGI is mostly the SAME as TTT, it has a battle scene which seems bigger but is ALL CGI and similiar too but larger in size than TTT. the cgi of the land is the same as TTT and golum is also the same. let me assure you the battle of zion will win the oscar for revolutions

[Glordreen]

Originally posted by Fanible
And you can tell how much the Lord of the Rings guys thinks of it, considering they didn't even mention the Oscars it got nominated for with the Two Towers on their box.

Uh.....Yeah it is, its on the back, it says "Nominated for 6 Academy Awards including Best Picture"

[DolAmroth]

I wouldnt be so sure. I mean people from the oscars like huge epic sword battles with like courage and sacrifce. It kinda different when its robots fighting. It just feels more realy when its not sci fi fighting but hand to hand.

[Glordreen]

Cant wait for ROTK dvd to say, "Winner of ? Academy Awards including Best Picture and Best Director"

[Glordreen]

Originally posted by neo1980
All i can tell you guys is when the oscar people see the zion vs humans battle and the smith vs neo battle with neo and smith smashing each others into craters and wrecking buildings they will forget about LOTR because the LOTR CGI is mostly the SAME as TTT, it has a battle scene which seems bigger but is ALL CGI and similiar too but larger in size than TTT. the cgi of the land is the same as TTT and golum is also the same. let me assure you the battle of zion will win the oscar for revolutions

Are you actually saying this? The Academy see Revoltuons and forget ROTK, are you freaking serious? That is the complete opposite. Once the Academy lays on ROTK, nothing will stand before it without being smitten.

[Nazgul-101]

Originally posted by neo1980
All i can tell you guys is when the oscar people see the zion vs humans battle and the smith vs neo battle with neo and smith smashing each others into craters and wrecking buildings they will forget about LOTR because the LOTR CGI is mostly the SAME as TTT, it has a battle scene which seems bigger but is ALL CGI and similiar too but larger in size than TTT. the cgi of the land is the same as TTT and golum is also the same. let me assure you the battle of zion will win the oscar for revolutions
zion vs humans and smith vs neo battle bigger than the ones in ROTK, dream on buddy. The battles in ROTK will be much more bigger and more powerful than zion vs humans and smith vs neo.
Don't get me wrong, but zion vs humans and smith vs neo look big, but IMO not as big as the battles in ROTK.

[Fanible]

I could care less if ROTK wins the Oscar at this point. Because considering that it won the previous two years, I could see the Oscar just going for the popularity regardless.

So yes, it will probably win.

LOTR fanatics, you can all leave now.

[neo1980]

Originally posted by Nazgul-101
zion vs humans and smith vs neo battle bigger than the ones in ROTK, dream on buddy. The battles in ROTK will be much more bigger and more powerful than zion vs humans and smith vs neo.
Don't get me wrong, but zion vs humans and smith vs neo look big, but IMO not as big as the battles in ROTK.

bigger. but not as powerful and certainly not better. mostly what we will see is a as close to camera as in TTT battle, and that was pretty far, in revolutions the camera and choreography will be closer and smoother. sure it will look bigger with a billion characters in CGI fighting but the zion vs human battle will have alot more individual battles among humans and sentinels than in TTT, sure in TTT u see a dragon come and swoop away 10-15 horsemen, but thats looking from far away, there will be alot of individual heroics in Revolutions and oscar loves individual fights, well and dont get me started on one smith vs neo, that is going to whoop major ass, because alot of fight will be in the air and they used the NASA anti gravity huge chambers to film those air fights. that has never been done before

[Nazgul-101]

We'll see which battle is bigger and better when both are in theaters.

[DolAmroth]

I think huge hand to hand fighting battles with swords and axes ect. is much more exciting and powerfull then robots fighting and so does the academy thats why I think rotk will get best special effects but matrix should get best CINEMATOGRAPHY

[The Moose]

i dunno there Dol. Lesnie won last time didn't he?

[DolAmroth]

The Two Towers got best visual effects last year.

[freakyplatypus]

Revolutions will mostly likely win this because of the glorious real-world battles I'm hearing a lot about. The superbrawl is supposed to be freaking awesome and the whole fighting on the cieling sequence in Club Hell will kick ass.

[TyRoss]

Pffft who cares about the oscars... the real battle is in March when the next reelies start ;) :p

[Fanible]

True that.

Of course considering how many more insane LOTR fanatics there are, LOTR will probably win in many of the categories, including best effects. Cause those monkies will choose LOTR no matter what.

[TyRoss]

You never know.

[Fanible]

Yes, but im willing to bet LOTR will win atleast 8 of the categories =P

There definitly needs to be more unique categories. Make CS! awards stand out.

[DAndersen]

mispost

[TyRoss]

Originally posted by Fanible
Yes, but im willing to bet LOTR will win atleast 8 of the categories =P

There definitly needs to be more unique categories. Make CS! awards stand out.

Hey it's our first time out I'll be refining later.

Perhaps best uttering of the word "Whoa" I bet Keannu gets that one ;) :p

[Fanible]

Totally

Well... maybe not that unique :p. But I bet Lord of the Rings would win that award as well anyways :D

[Fanible]

whoops

[freakyplatypus]

Why whoops?

[Fanible]

I just felt like saying whoops. You'll have to deal with it =P

[freakyplatypus]

Whoops.

[jacksluck]

Sometimes the best movies don't win awards....

[TyRoss]

You mena like when Matrix topped Ep I in special effects even though Ep I was better ;) :p

[true fan11212]

As much As I love TPM, I can(somewhat) see why they gave The Matrix Best Visual Effects, over it. However, The Matrix screwed TPM out of Best Sound Effects Editing.

[Fanible]

The fact that TPM looks like a big cartoon right now, and The Matrix still looks great, says enough for me.

The only thing good about TPM is the lightsaber battles and a couple actors.

[The Moose]

can i just ask when =P means?
Fanible, you seem to use it heaps, and i don't know what it means

[Fanible]

Looking at it sideways is usually the key. ;)

[The Moose]

nope, i still don't get it Fanible

[necronon99]

sound
sfx
maybe costume design nods
no more

[SQUADRONLEADER]

LOTR.........or..........The Matrix

I say since neither of the movies are out yet it's kind of unfair to judge. For all we know the ROTK trailer may just be all the best parts and the rest crappy (This is hypothetical. Don't freak out on me). And Vice Versa. Maybe the trailer is just a glimpse of some of the best special effects ever seen.

So now I grab a calculator and insert the factors.

Golum...................
Agent Smith...........
CGI.............
popularity..................
The fact that Fannibal has a higher post count than anybody here............
overall coolness.................
a touch of my personal opinions.................

And the total comes to...................

THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS

I'm sorry it was a close race and it will be at the real thing too, but in the end..........matrix prevails.

What is that you say? I'm a N00b? This is my first post? What do I know? Well guess what...........people are perfectly entitled to their opinions so back you fantasy movie loving freaks! Get back! *Waves a stick around in a gesture to keep the crowd back*

[TyRoss]

Originally posted by SQUADRONLEADER
LOTR.........or..........The Matrix

I say since neither of the movies are out yet it's kind of unfair to judge. For all we know the ROTK trailer may just be all the best parts and the rest crappy (This is hypothetical. Don't freak out on me). And Vice Versa. Maybe the trailer is just a glimpse of some of the best special effects ever seen.

So now I grab a calculator and insert the factors.

Golum...................
Agent Smith...........
CGI.............
popularity..................
The fact that Fannibal has a higher post count than anybody here............
overall coolness.................
a touch of my personal opinions.................

And the total comes to...................

THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS

I'm sorry it was a close race and it will be at the real thing too, but in the end..........matrix prevails.

What is that you say? I'm a N00b? This is my first post? What do I know? Well guess what...........people are perfectly entitled to their opinions so back you fantasy movie loving freaks! Get back! *Waves a stick around in a gesture to keep the crowd back*


Hmmmmm methinks your personal opinions counted for more than a touch. ;)

And Fanible has far from the most posts here :p

[MovieWes]

Originally posted by SQUADRONLEADER
LOTR.........or..........The Matrix

I say since neither of the movies are out yet it's kind of unfair to judge. For all we know the ROTK trailer may just be all the best parts and the rest crappy (This is hypothetical. Don't freak out on me). And Vice Versa. Maybe the trailer is just a glimpse of some of the best special effects ever seen.

So now I grab a calculator and insert the factors.

Golum...................
Agent Smith...........
CGI.............
popularity..................
The fact that Fannibal has a higher post count than anybody here............
overall coolness.................
a touch of my personal opinions.................

And the total comes to...................

THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS

I'm sorry it was a close race and it will be at the real thing too, but in the end..........matrix prevails.

What is that you say? I'm a N00b? This is my first post? What do I know? Well guess what...........people are perfectly entitled to their opinions so back you fantasy movie loving freaks! Get back! *Waves a stick around in a gesture to keep the crowd back*

Well, even still, so what if Fanible does have the highest post count of anyone here... does that make his opinion count more than anyone else? I'm not trying to put down Fanible in the least, I think that his posts are well thought out and make a lot of sense. However, I don't think that someone's post count makes them an expert on a particular subject, and I think that it is ignorant to think otherwise.

Tell me, SQUADRONLEADER, do you honestly think that just because I have a lot more posts than you makes my opinion count more than yours? Just think about that.

[SQUADRONLEADER]

Wow...........two posts telling me how my opinions are unreasonable in just one day. The CS boards are impressive. Well.........time to clear my name....

First of all, the whole comment about Fannibal's post count was mainly just thrown in there for humor. Unfortunately.........he doesn't have the highest anyway. D'OH! Also I should note that no, I don't beleive post count means anything. Like I said it was an irrelevant comment that served no purpose.

Second, did my personal opinions affect the outcome? Oh......I don't know........:rolleyes: ........okay maybe a lit......Oh who am I kidding. I have two different Matrix Reloaded posters in my room and I never seen/read anything that says LOTR on it. Yes, I like Matrix WAY more than LOTR! Why? Why have a been hiding under a rock from movies that have obviously been deemed untouchable? Well..........mostly because I feel the need to remove myself from society. I'll hide in a closet until 2030 and come out knowing nothing compared to everyone else. A human time capsule! ;)

So in all fairness I checked out the ROTK trailer today. I then immediately watched the MRV trailer again. I compared and contrasted. I've thought countless hours about it. And I have come to a conclusion.............again.........

The Wachowskis are geniuses. Here me out on my ranting before you hit quote and post what a sad pathetic fanboy I am. What happens to any and every movie with extreme hype? It dies. It goes to the gutter. The Matrix came out of nowhere and thus was granted beautiful reception. LOTR while it was expected to do well did not have a horribly intense hype about it. Two Towers got pretty close but they managed to get excelent reception also. Then what happens? Matrix Reloaded-Everybody gets overly hyped. They obsess to the point where they walk in that theater and look for everything bad about the movie. This is the fate that MR took. But because of this, the hype is almost dead. Nobody........not even you......expects much out of Revolutions. Now when Revolutions does well it will seem twenty times better because its hype is being kept boderline because people don't want to be disappointed like they were with Reloaded. While ROTK has got theaters begging to show 10 hours of the trilogy it's so hyped. So this is my opinion in the simplest way to show it.

People disappointed by Reloaded will now find Revolutions as a miracle.

People overly hyped about Return of the King will be disappointed when it can't reach their impossible expectations.

NOW proceed to quote this post and beat on my opinions! :p

[The Moose]

the real question is is Squadronleader just saying this to try and get our view of him changed, or is this anctually coming with meaning from him/her?

[SQUADRONLEADER]

Nah. I mean it. I really don't care for the Oscars anyway. If ROTK wins I'll cheer for them, if MRV wins I'll cheer for them too. Both movies are quite good. It's really just a matter of opinion. Sci-fi vs. Fantasy. I don't care what you think of me actually. I could easily become the most hated person on CS and make a new account and you'd never know, so why should I really care what you think of me? The thing was after re-reading my post I saw that I did swing a little too heavily toward MRV and that the post count thing was stupid so I came and retracted it. So.........cheers...........I'll be at the Metacortechs thread.

P.S. I'm a "he" for the record if you really care.

[Fanible]

I just wish this would end.

I already said that ROTK will probably win the best effects Oscar. Why can't we all just shut up about it?

[RyansRing]

Well im an absolute huge fan of both movies (many posters and artifacts off both movies litter my room), but why dont we all just wait and see what both movies have to offer before we pass judgment on them? Does anybody here work for the academy? Maybe they will think and have completely different mind tracks to our own. Maybe they will look at the emotional impact of a special effect over that of a technically superior one. Special effects aint always just about the look, but is also about how we react to that effect and how effective it is, and how memorable it is. A great effect may completely pass us without us knowing it while an effect may be less technically superior but for some strange reason we remember it, maybe because the performance of a CG character or because of the effort. I dont know really i guess im just ranting. I rekon we should just wait to we can see two complete movies, two complete results, and two complete SFX accomplishments before we tar and feather any movies.

[RyansRing]

well everybody quietened down didnt they?

[true fan11212]

SQUADRONLEADER :I don't think impossible expectations made people disappointed with Reloaded(Though it could have factored in with somepeople). It was the film itself... Watching it on DVD yesterday, while I still feel that it is an entertaining film in its own right, its still a disappointing sequel to the original.

Reloaded just seems to lack the magic of the original film, IMHO. The pacing is off and some of the ideas/scene aren't well-developed. Also, the Visual Effects in the film take a backstep from the original, in terms of believability, IMHO.

In terms of Revolutions, I believe it COULD be better than Reloaded, and possibily the best of the Matrix films. However, since it was filmed Back-to-Back with Reloaded, I can't say I don't have my doubts.

In terms of ROTK, I can't speak for everyone. But all I expect is for it to be better than TTT... The Two Towers, IMHO, was better than FOTR and I believe ROTK can exceed it(Therefore, being the best of the three).

Getting to the point of this thread, I believe The Matrix Revolutions will win Best Visual Effects, if they are better than Reloaded's. However, ROTK will probably have Best Picture buzz around it, so LOTR could repeat.