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Doctor K.

09-24-2003, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by Doctor K.
I thought AOTC was really good and it did have a small resemblance to the OT. But, the prequals arent supposed to be like the universe in the OT, because the Republic exists in the prequels(untill EP3)

Sorry everyone I worded that all wrond, I hopw you arent confused. Another thing is that people are complaining because the naboo starfighter doesnt look anything like fighters in the OT. Well, its obvious isnt it? Naboo isnt part of the rebel alliance.

Saint Conner

09-24-2003, 10:18 PM

i havn't heard that. Anyway AOTC was ALMOST good but it was total screwed over by the script. TPM was horrible

cg124

09-27-2003, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by Saint Conner
actually i thought it was a well thought out post. I'm serious and i just wanna know what other people thought about the movies.

:nono:

if your post was well thought out it would have been longer than 2 sentences.

downflow311

09-27-2003, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by Saint Conner
i havn't heard that. Anyway AOTC was ALMOST good but it was total screwed over by the script. TPM was horrible

both most have embarrassing dialogue.

Miasma

09-27-2003, 02:19 PM

The prequels, for the most part, only work because a lot of people loved the OT. If The Phantom Menace had been released in a world in which episodes 4, 5 and 6 did not exist (in other words, if Lucas had made the films in order), it would not have been a massive hit. It would have been a mediocre summer movie, and it MIGHT have earned enough to warrant a sequel (no guarantees though... it might have just been laughed right out of the theaters.)

AOTC was a bit better, but the script was awful. Along with the bad script, we had a completely unbelievable romance. By the end of the film, I still could not figure out why Padme married Anakin. What did she in him? He walks around whining about why he can't do whatever he wants, he slaughters an entire village, he obsesses over his mother, and he has a stupid haircut. Worse yet, he says things like, "I'm haunted by the kiss you should never have given me." Surely Padme could do better than that?

Saint Conner

09-27-2003, 07:12 PM

i couldn't agree more

"I don't like sand!"

true fan11212

09-27-2003, 08:37 PM

Miasma, you say that as a matter of fact, when its really just your opinion(An opinion some agree with, I'm sure, but an opinion nevertheless).

Partyman343

09-28-2003, 05:58 PM

Episodes 1 and 2 don't come close to the the original series as far as acting and usually story are concerned. But they are both still fun for the most part, and the visual effects go well beyond those of the original trilogy.

Saint Conner

09-29-2003, 11:35 AM

i think most things said on these boards are opinions
:nono:

Miasma

09-29-2003, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by true fan11212
Miasma, you say that as a matter of fact, when its really just your opinion(An opinion some agree with, I'm sure, but an opinion nevertheless).

Nope, everything I wrote is a certified and well-researched fact.

Riddle

09-29-2003, 07:02 PM

The only reason that anybody likes the PT, is because it has a Star Wars header.

And maybe lightsabers.

JAE

09-30-2003, 12:06 PM

I like the films....certain scenes are tough to watch but I embrace them anyway, I have no choice. I'm a fan and always will be. :)

Saint Conner

09-30-2003, 01:19 PM

yeah, but how can you remain a fan after the last two disasterous movies. I was a fan until epsiode 1 and 2 came out. The ONLY thing good about those movies was the special effects

:nono:

Fanible

09-30-2003, 02:07 PM

George Lucas shouldn't write romance... ever.

Choosing to write and direct these films alone was where he faulted.

JAE

09-30-2003, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by Saint Conner
yeah, but how can you remain a fan after the last two disasterous movies......

Because I do. I don't know how old you are, but I was 4 years old when the first SW film came out and through my entire childhood I always envisioned how the story started, who Anakin was and what the Clone wars would look like - and he has done that.

As far as GL writing romance, yeah that sucks. But I'm not going to diss the movies as a whole for that. He gets sooo much crap for that and rightly so, but there are soo many crappy movies that get made with bad acting and dialoge.

So are you not going to see EPIII? You know you will. And if you do, than GL has done his job.....:p :p :p

Mat

09-30-2003, 10:38 PM

Lucas's writing is the main fault of the prequels. I think Harrison Ford summed it up on the set of ANH when he famously said "You can write this stuff, but you can't make me say it." Even George says that writing is his least favorite part of film-making. I still don't know why he doesn't hand it over to someone better. I also wish the actors would speak out about it like Harrison did, but let's face it: George wasn't a god back when he made ANH. Now he's a god, and the actors are intimidated by it (I know I'd be).

On directing: I always thought this was his stronger point. I like how on the battle scenes on Genonosis he'd suddenly zoom in to make it look more like a documentary. He also has an eye for the dramatic I like. Overall, I think as long as there are 11 year olds playing lightsabres in their backyard just like 11 year olds were doing back in '77, George has done his job.

Glordreen

10-02-2003, 12:36 AM

I think he should get rid of all the new technology, and use everthing he had back in 1977, and they would be better

Fanible

10-02-2003, 05:38 AM

I agree. I mean look at the new Jaba, and then look at the old Jaba. It's like he's gone backwards for better effects. CGI sucks when it goes out of date so fast.

Animatronics and make-up will never go out of date, because it IS real.

A smart mix of the two is the only way it works. Like in Jurrasic Park. That film still looks fabulous.

Johnnys Apples

10-03-2003, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by Fanible
I agree. I mean look at the new Jaba, and then look at the old Jaba. It's like he's gone backwards for better effects. CGI sucks when it goes out of date so fast.

Animatronics and make-up will never go out of date, because it IS real.

A smart mix of the two is the only way it works. Like in Jurrasic Park. That film still looks fabulous.

Agreed. The last 2 star wars films looked kinda cartoony.

White Tiger

10-04-2003, 08:28 PM

Well the prequels are decent. I wish that George Lucas had someone else do the directing and the script for the two movies. Now I have lost respect for George Lucas. Lord of the Rings I enjoy better than the prequel trilogy. I'm not saying the SW prequels suck. They're decent. I just wished FOX didn't let George Lucas have so much freedom with making the movies. This is just my opinion. No one flame me please.

Kyroc

10-05-2003, 01:17 AM

George can direct which is evident in American Graphiti however when it comes to something so dear and near to his heart as the Star Wars franchise he should do as he did with the original trilogy and hand the torch of creative genious off to someone who has an idea above the standard CGI which we all come to expect from movies now a days. Don't get me wrong I like the whole Star Wars gig its just that Lucas has a story to tell and he didn't realize that until he asked for help with Episode 2. I enjoyed Episode 1 for Ray Park and Liam Neeson(go ahead make your Darth Maul jokes). Episode 2 for Yoda's lightaber twirling. And I am sure to enjoy Episode 3 for slaughter of the Jedi(yes you can call me a sicko or whatever you want but that is Episode 3).

KenM

10-05-2003, 04:28 AM

I said before and I say again. GL is a control freak IMO. Thats why He has his hand in everything with these new SW movies. Writing, directing, the FX. He needs to just write that basic script and have another director direct.

D-fence

10-07-2003, 08:22 AM

I think if you look at the past couple of years, roughly 70% of the people who watched the PT were disappointed. The ones that still say they LOVE the movies have to admit they love them because the Original Trilogy has shaped their lives in a way no other movie trilogy ever could! That's why they simply CAN NOT give up on these new Star Wars films. I can't blame them really, but I'm also thankful I can take enough of a step back to look at these flicks and say: They are nowhere NEAR the brilliance of the originals. Al the arguments people posted in this thread are correct: writing, acting, dialog ; It's all beneath the things we saw in A new Hope/Empire and even Return.

People could argue that all these things are a matter of opinion. But I ask all of you that say they LOVE the Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones; Are these new movies as great as the old ones?
You just HAVE to admit the answer is NO right?!
And I think with all the years between Jedi and Phantom, with all the improvements in special effects, and with all the great writers and directors in the world from which I'm sure ALLOT would have loved to help Lucas in any way... we as fans DESERVED more! In the last couple of years fans learned to expect LESS from these new movies. And that is just plain WRONG!

Even if you like the PT (which is not that hard to understand, even for people that don't like them) you still have to agree with this simple fact: Lucas could and SHOULD have done better. It's as simple as that.

Kyroc

10-07-2003, 03:44 PM

<sniff>

I'm speechless.....
You hit every nail right on the head....
You inspire the masses to reevaluate their love of something that was great but fell into mediocrity.

A hero to us all D-fence.

true fan11212

10-07-2003, 04:53 PM

D-fence:Attack me if you must, but I actually find TPM & AOTC to be better than ANH & ROTJ(However, TESB is a hard film for either to touch).

D-fence

10-07-2003, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by Kyroc
<sniff>

I'm speechless.....
You hit every nail right on the head....
You inspire the masses to reevaluate their love of something that was great but fell into mediocrity.

A hero to us all D-fence.

:) sarcasm. Always fun to get thrown at you!

But seriously: I wasn't trying to ATTACK anyone with this, it's just that since Menace came out people have been discussing if the PT is as good as the old ones. I just thought the answer (even for die hard-fans of the PT) had to be "no" no matter how you look at it. (for reasons people allot smarter then me have already pointed out) But The thread above proves me plain wrong. There ARE people who like the Prequels better then the old ones. So be it. We really can't say anything more about it, because it simply is, and always will be, a matter of TASTE.

So again: Sorry if you felt offended, and I really hope you enjoy Episode III as much as you did the previous two. I know I will be sitting centre theatre when it premieres, because YES I also want to see 'the last Star Wars movie ever'. But in al honesty, I must admit I won't be going in with that much confidence. I envy you who DO still have that.

D.

Kyroc

10-07-2003, 08:41 PM

there was no attack and there was no sarcasm. i agree wholeheartedly. you have to look at it as a story. a story that started out extremely well and now has gone to somewhat of an industry standard. Its not just Lucas either it seems that there are a lot of filmmakers that have this need to make something that will dazzle the senses instead of the brain. I personally have still gone to the SW movies so that i can see just how the original creator wanted them to start. I do feel though that because he finished the end of the anakin saga first that this has effected how the story was led in the beginning. I think true fan has a point saying that empire is by far the best of all because it had the most story to it. There was the love story and the story of trials and tribulation. that is what makes movies work. notice how the genre of sci fi has never really been accepted at the oscar or other awards because they lack the most truest form of filmmaking and that is drama... let me rephrase that to believable drama(if you can't act then the dramma don't work). This is why i think the oscars should seperately acknowledge sci fi films apart from the standard effects awards and sound awards. as for confidence i lost a lot of confidence in lucas along time ago in a galaxy far far away when he decided to open up all of these friggin' video game crap. but this is the original story coming to a close and i don't think many people see just what that means because this started almost thirty years ago(my math right?) anyway a story to take this long complete is something for the books.... the history as well as the scrap books(and i mean the dainty little books that you keep things safe for memories sake not the garbage... SHEESH!) if you want sarcasm then let me tell you about a little movie series called Star Trek and how they
@#$%ed up the best they ever had.....

i'm going to wait for my aneurysm now.....

Miasma

10-08-2003, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by true fan11212
D-fence:Attack me if you must, but I actually find TPM & AOTC to be better than ANH & ROTJ(However, TESB is a hard film for either to touch).

In terms of production values and plot depth, I agree. But when it comes right down to which is more fun to watch, which has characters you care for, and which can actually grab your emotions, I still say the OT wins easily. In some ways, I think Lucas tried too hard with the PT. He spent so much time creating a convoluted plot and CGI graphics, he forgot to add the fun element. Then, upon realizing that every character had about as much charisma as a snow shovel, he added Jar Jar to liven things up. Didn't really work as well as he'd hoped, IMO.

true fan11212

10-08-2003, 10:42 PM

Miasma:Well, I didn't expect most people to agree with me(Actually, I was expecting to get flamed, and I thank you not doing that) , but that's just the way I feel...

I still think ANH & ROTJ are great films(well, actually I think Jedi is the weak link of the Saga. It doesn't really get going until they leave tatoonie, but even after that it stalls when they get on Endor. However, I still think ROTJ is a pretty good film), but I find TPM & AOTC more myticial presence to them.

Miasma

10-09-2003, 11:19 AM

Originally posted by true fan11212
Miasma:Well, I didn't expect most people to agree with me(Actually, I was expecting to get flamed, and I thank you not doing that) , but that's just the way I feel...

I still think ANH & ROTJ are great films(well, actually I think Jedi is the weak link of the Saga. It doesn't really get going until they leave tatoonie, but even after that it stalls when they get on Endor. However, I still think ROTJ is a pretty good film), but I find TPM & AOTC more myticial presence to them.

I agree with you again. ROTJ needed better pacing. The Jabba scenes went on WAY too long (especially considering that they weren't really part of the main plot.) But the real killer was the song and dance number in the palace. Come on! Did we need that?? Hardly.

And yes, things did slow down again on Endor. I guess the redeeming factor in ROTJ was the space battle (which I think was far superior to the one in Phantom Menace) and the lightsaber duel (which lacked the technicality of the one in Menace, but surpassed it in terms of emotion.)

It's interesting that you mention the pacing of ROTJ being bad. While I do agree with you, the pacing of Phantom Menace and Attack of The Clones bothered me more. In Phantom Menace, the first few scenes shot by TOO quickly. One second they're on a space ship, the next second they're being chased across a planet, then they're in an underwater city, then in a submarine, then by a palace... SLOW DOWN!!!! Take some time to establish a setting! In ESB the action stayed on Hoth for a long time, but it remained exciting. There's no need to jump around to the extent that Phantom Menace did. "Attack of The Clones," on the other hand, suffered the opposite problem. It dragged horribly in parts... long stretches with no real action.

I also agree with you that Phantom Menace and Attack of The Clones had a more mythical feel, but to me, that's part of what I didn't like. It was as if Lucas started taking his own creation a little too seriously... as if he was listening to the fanboys and said to himself, "Oh yeah! Hey, this really IS deep stuff I'm doing!" The OT didn't seem to take itself quite as seriously. There were serious undertones, but it never dwelled on them to the extent that the PT does.

D-fence

10-09-2003, 03:29 PM

To the thread above I can only say: HEAR HEAR!! :applaud:

or rather: hear hear. :(

plucky

10-09-2003, 03:56 PM

How could anyone say Star Wars sucks??? Star Wars is the most perfect thing ever created! Name one thing in this entire world that is better than watching Star Wars!!! You can't!

true fan11212

10-09-2003, 05:32 PM

Nothing is perfect, and Star Wars is no exception.

Miasma:I completely agree with you on ROTJ's space fight being far superior to the one in TPM. (One of my few problems with TPM was that it cut in between the four battles, when only the Palace rade and the Duel were interesting). You also make a good point about the ROTJ duel.

However, the first few scene in TPM didn't shoot by too fast to me. They seemed to last the right amount of time, IMHO... And as for AOTC pacing, I felt the slow build to be necessary, as it was more of a mystery plot. But still, the love scene seem to unnecessarily slow things down.

Kyroc

10-09-2003, 06:53 PM

plucky

10-09-2003, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by Kyroc
LOTR trilogy

Evil Dead trilogy

HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!! You are kidding right? LOTR is stupid! It's all about little creatures and magic and things. That's kid stuff!

Evil Dead? I never even watched that. Sounds dumb. Anyway theres no need to watch it because Star Wars rules!!!!!!

Kyroc

10-09-2003, 07:24 PM

take the needle out of your arm and when you come down from your high then maybe the real world will grasp your mind once more.

king_of_hetzer

10-09-2003, 08:57 PM

Insult Lotr... you are nothing to me. Go away Star Wars geek. (Star Wars TRUE fans are NOT geeks... star wars TRUE fans who hate lotr are geeks)

Glordreen

10-09-2003, 09:00 PM

TyRoss

10-09-2003, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by plucky
How could anyone say Star Wars sucks??? Star Wars is the most perfect thing ever created! Name one thing in this entire world that is better than watching Star Wars!!! You can't!

Sex.... which apparently you aren't getting because you're just a little obsessed with Star Wars.

I mean I'm a fan, a big fan... I'll even go as far to say as I like the new trilogy as much as the Old Trilogy or LOTR. But dude you're taking it to new levels.

Glordreen

10-09-2003, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by plucky
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!! You are kidding right? LOTR is stupid! It's all about little creatures and magic and things. That's kid stuff!

Evil Dead? I never even watched that. Sounds dumb. Anyway theres no need to watch it because Star Wars rules!!!!!!

Please dont, you just sound more stupid.

true fan11212

10-10-2003, 08:45 AM

Well, I've never seen The Evil Dead Trilogy either. And I don't have much interest to... LOTR is great, and admittedly it gives Star Wars a run for its money. But Still enjoy SW more. However, and as much as I love The Matrix, The Matrix Trilogy is the odd man out here... Reloaded was a big hit against the Saga, IMHO, and even if Revolutions is spectacular, Reloaded will always weight it down.

plucky

10-10-2003, 08:51 AM

I wish you would all stop insulting me! I thought a form was a place where we could exchange ideas inteligenitally.

All I'm saying is that Star Was is the most perfect movie series ever. That does not mean it has no flaws at all... it just means it is better than any other movie ever. You can't deny this!

Lord of The Rings is a total rip off of Star Wars. Gandolf is just a jedi with a different name. And they even stole Count Dooku!

Indiana Jones is just a Han Solo spin off. Lucas realized how cool Han Solo was and so he gave him his own movie series but with a diferent name. He even dresses almost the same except he has a hat.

I never watched Matrix because it has that guy from Bill & Ted and that was a stupid movie.

spiderman_2k

10-10-2003, 08:53 AM

Judging from that post...You deserve to be insulted

Tony Montana

10-10-2003, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by plucky
Lord of The Rings is a total rip off of Star Wars. Gandolf is just a jedi with a different name. And they even stole Count Dooku!

You do know when LOTR book was written, dont you?!

JAE

10-10-2003, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by plucky
I wish you would all stop insulting me! I thought a form was a place where we could exchange ideas inteligenitally.

Lord of The Rings is a total rip off of Star Wars. Gandolf is just a jedi with a different name. And they even stole Count Dooku!

It is. And if you were intelligent, you would know that the Lord of the Rings was written while Lucas was still a kid and that he modeled Star Wars after Lord of the Rings and other famous mythology and science fiction stories such as Flash Gordon. GL did years of research before writing one word of the SW story and he openly admits that Tolkein had a major impact and influence on his story.

(BTW, LOTR is the greatest literature to film translation I have ever seen.)

plucky

10-10-2003, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by Tony Montana
You do know when LOTR book was written, dont you?!

I dont know the exact date but it was obviously after the movie since theres a picture of the movie on the cover. What does that have to do with anything?

JAE

10-10-2003, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by plucky
I dont know the exact date but it was obviously after the movie since theres a picture of the movie on the cover. What does that have to do with anything?

Did you read my post?

(I think this guy is full of crap)

plucky

10-10-2003, 09:38 AM

I WAS KIDDING ABOUT THE BOOKS!!!

spiderman_2k

10-10-2003, 09:38 AM

Well, he's an idiot....

JAE

10-10-2003, 09:39 AM

Sarcasim is tough to read, better heard.

spiderman_2k

10-10-2003, 09:40 AM

Indeed

JAE

10-10-2003, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by plucky
I WAS KIDDING ABOUT THE BOOKS!!!
Well, being new and all, I would say you've built up ZERO credibility for posts. :clown:

plucky

10-10-2003, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by JAE
Well, being new and all, I would say you've built up ZERO credibility for posts. :clown:

ok i'm sorry. Let me clarify.
I LOVE Star Wars very very much. I know Lord Of The Rings was a book first but we're talking about movies so i just made a joke about the book. Sorry if offended anyone.

But i still don't like LOTR. It is stealing Star Wars fans and it is dividing people. Star Wars movies were first and then LOTR tried to take those fans. It bothers me. And I see Star Wars people as my friends. They are REAL to me. No other movie is like that. When I am feeling lonely or sad I can talk to Star Wars people but I can't talk to Gandolf or anyone else. When my parents died, I talked to Obi-Wan in my head and he helped me deal with it. There is no other character from a movie that would do that. And the new obi-wan won't do it either.

If you are all LOTR fans, then I say "I am wondering, why are you hear?" This forum is for STAR WARS. I came here because I thought I would find other star wars fans but whenever I mention something about how much i love the movies you all act like i am idiot and it hurts. I want to make real star wars friends here. sorry if i bothered you all.

spiderman_2k

10-10-2003, 12:46 PM

Sorry you feel that way, but the only reason LOTR is "stealing" SW fans, is because they are better movies for todays audiences, they are better then the prequels, and have more fans than the original trilogy because they are being released now.....

JAE

10-10-2003, 01:37 PM

Plucky, sorry to hear about your parents. You are welcomed here and are not bothering anybody. You just may be one of the more passionate people in the forum and thats ok. It takes time for people to understand each other.

Stick around, I look forward to your posts.....:)

jpdill

10-10-2003, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by plucky
If you are all LOTR fans, then I say "I am wondering, why are you hear?" This forum is for STAR WARS. I came here because I thought I would find other star wars fans but whenever I mention something about how much i love the movies you all act like i am idiot and it hurts. I want to make real star wars friends here. sorry if i bothered you all.

If you're looking for real SW fans, get off this site, and go onto TFN's forum.

Most the here peep are LOTR fanatics.

logan350

10-10-2003, 01:48 PM

Yes go to the other forums jpdill and don't come back.

jpdill

10-10-2003, 03:16 PM

logan - according to the mod, you were meant to have blocked me.

Do so, or i'll be a little girl and tell the teacher, which is actually the moderator.

spiderman_2k

10-10-2003, 03:18 PM

*Sigh

Miasma

10-10-2003, 03:34 PM

Good lord, what has this forum become? Oh well, it's entertaining in an odd way, I guess... maybe...

logan350

10-10-2003, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by jpdill
logan - according to the mod, you were meant to have blocked me.

Do so, or i'll be a little girl and tell the teacher, which is actually the moderator.

What your not going to tell you sis first? Go ahead and do it you big baby I didn't say anything offensive. He'll probably just tell you to get some thicker skin.

In regards to the Star Wars sucking the original trilogy was something truly special. How George Lucas managed to screw this entire story up is beyond me. Comparing the original movies to these new ones seems like comparing apples to oranges. I think he's thinking about marketing instead of creativity. It's really sad, at least we have LOTR and the Matrix Trilogy.

A Guy

10-11-2003, 01:21 PM

children, children......please.....everyone has their own opinion........SW, Matrix, Indy, LOTR, and ED are different enough that you cant really compare them all together. Each is its own. They are all wonderful (to me) and lets just enjoy them. And just a note.....this thread IS about the downward spiral of the prequels......which i agree with. however, due to the fact that the OT was so amazing and that the prequels are giving me the backstory I've always wanted...i can't bring myself to dislike them.......even though i can't sit through either of the prequels and watch the whole thing through anymore........the dialoge is terrible. they just sit on the seventh shelf of the DVD rack and collect dust......which sucks but thats the way it is.

king_of_hetzer

10-11-2003, 04:26 PM

Oh my gosh, plucky. What an idiot. Go away and never come back you touched one!

D-fence

10-11-2003, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by A Guy
....even though i can't sit through either of the prequels and watch the whole thing through anymore........the dialoge is terrible. they just sit on the seventh shelf of the DVD rack and collect dust......which sucks but thats the way it is.

That IS the way it is.

But IMO ALLOT of people could have done the dialog better then Lucas! So why didn't ANYONE near Lucas tell him his dialog sucked? Why didn't Spielberg tell him? Or Ron Howard? They're both close friends, they watched Ep I during the editing process, and told Lucas 'not to change a thing'.

NOT TO CHANGE A THING.. come on!

Anyway. I feel all this talk about whether the PT is better, worse or the same as the oldies has been repeated again.. again and AGAIN the last couple of years. The same with the "Lord of the Rings is better!" "No STAR WARS IS!" discussions. They're pointless, and in the end both parties will still stick with their own trilogy no matter what.

But it doesn’t matter: These debates will life on till the end of geek-dom anyway. Sad really.

Now the fact I don't like the PT doesn't mean I don't like STAR WARS. I can still watch the old movies (and I do mean OLD, not the special Editions) with a smile on my face. The entire Star Wars Universe remains so fantastic and cool! Not even the PT can kill that for me. And I for one am glad that BESIDES that we have the choice of so many other trilogies and franchises.