View Full Version : The Big Twist
jpdill
09-12-2003, 02:05 PM
I think i know what the big twist in SW3 is.
It was revealed that we will find out who created the clones in Ep 3, BUT it's someone we've seen in Ep 2.
It's not the following:
Obi-wan, Qui-Gon, Yoda or Ani. I think it's going to be a big twistin the story - GL could have made these films with a huge twist in it.
I think that the traitor to the republic is...
Ki-Adi-Mundi
He was always in the Jedi order, and he could have easily changed the files. BUT when Yareal Poof and Yaddel found out his secret, he killed them, making it look like the dissapered.
Though it could also be that Dooku is the one behind it...
Mace Windu would be a huge twist!!
Doctor K.
09-12-2003, 03:35 PM
Ki-Adi-Mundi? how do you know he killed yaddle and yareal proof? i think that palpatine/sideos sent anakin on an assignmesnt to erase them.
jpdill
09-12-2003, 04:18 PM
BUT Ani wasn't around when the clones were ordered...
So Anakin being the traitor isn't the case - and i don't think it's Mace, but maybe it could be...
jediknight
09-12-2003, 04:29 PM
It aint mace, mace is too bad ass! :D
The Moose
09-12-2003, 10:21 PM
i think they'll put it straight, and show us that Dooku did it
todd philip
09-13-2003, 12:46 AM
it will be dookie
jpdill
09-13-2003, 08:07 AM
Don't say that though - it was found out that "Dookie" dies in the first 10 minutes of the film.
It probably now won't be him, as it's not enough time to get this traitor plot organised.
Wait - it could be Padmé! That would be cool - she turns out to be a sith, working for Sidious, and also she doesn't know that Palpy is Sid...
G-Matrix
09-13-2003, 01:35 PM
what about Jocasta nu
jpdill
09-13-2003, 07:09 PM
Jocasta Nu is not in the new one - she's meant to have been killed during The Clone Wars or something like that.
Well on Hyperspace, it's said that she's not in the film. And Yoda's meant to fight this traitor...
Rocketboy
09-14-2003, 01:53 AM
Originally posted by jpdill
Don't say that though - it was found out that "Dookie" dies in the first 10 minutes of the film. That is what the spoiler brackets are for...thanks a lot.:evil:
jpdill
09-14-2003, 09:58 AM
Well it says "Big Twist" - you should have assumed we were talking about spoilers.
It was Qui-Gon in the library with the candlestick.
Serioulsy, perhaps he believed in some other means of getting rid of potential evil doers. He always went against what the council said. Perhaps he thought he was doing a good thing by helping to order the clones....
Rocketboy
09-14-2003, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by jpdill
Well it says "Big Twist" - you should have assumed we were talking about spoilers. Not necessarily. The big twist info was from starwars.com, so many, like myself, don't consider that a spoiler. Telling me the fate of a character is.
jbailey84
09-15-2003, 03:09 AM
yeah Qui Gon.
How come when he died though in Phantom Menace, he didn't disappear like Obi Wan in Star Wars and Yoda in Return of the Jedi? But Yoda died of natural causes I guess and Obi by getting whacked by a lightsaber.
Rocketboy
09-15-2003, 11:08 AM
That will suppossedly finally be answered in Episode 3.
Perhaps since or IF Qui-Gon did it, he may not have become one with the force due to his actions, hence he does not have the bad ass ability to come back as a blue-ghostly-hologram thingy.
jbailey84
09-15-2003, 02:30 PM
yeah i was thinking thats what might have caused it. c'mon May 2005!
The Moose
09-16-2003, 04:18 AM
oh yeah. with dooku's death, that pretty much expels him. how does he die? (i forgot) in that case, i agree that it could be Ki-Adi-Mundi
Rocketboy
09-16-2003, 11:02 AM
Why couldn't it be Dooku? Just because he dies early (grrr!) and isn't there to see it through doesn't mean he couldn't help set up a plot to destroy the Jedi before his death. And there may not necessarily be a traitor. I thought maybe the Jedi are framed, and the Republic would turn on them.
I always assumed Dooku and/or Sidious were the one(s) that deleted the files and ordered the clones.
True, but I think thats what everyone expects.....I think GL has something up his sleeve. The OT had a great plot twist, this trilogy needs one as well.
jpdill
09-16-2003, 01:14 PM
Dooku can't be it, as the opening 10 minutes of the movie are also the last battle of The Clone Wars (which is on Coruscant). Dooku would die, and then we get a brand new light-sabre weilding bad guy, who's not a sith or jedi...
Rizor
09-16-2003, 07:49 PM
On one of the more recent Hyperspace set diaries or chats, they said the character that ordered the clones was seen oncreen in Episode II, so I guess we can rule Qui Gon out.
Rocketboy
09-17-2003, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by jpdill
Dooku can't be it, as the opening 10 minutes of the movie are also the last battle of The Clone Wars (which is on Coruscant). Dooku would die, and then we get a brand new light-sabre weilding bad guy, who's not a sith or jedi... Why not? As I said above:
"Just because he dies early and isn't there to see it through doesn't mean he couldn't help set up a plot to destroy the Jedi before his death."
Besides, the Clone Wars may have nothing to do with the end of the Jedi. Their demise could be afterward.
Originally posted by Rizor
On one of the more recent Hyperspace set diaries or chats, they said the character that ordered the clones was seen oncreen in Episode II, so I guess we can rule Qui Gon out.
You know how SW personel like to speak from "a certain point of view." In the Jedi library there are busts of past jedi knights, Qui-Gon is in there and on screen for a brief moment.
Its a long shot, but I thought I would throw it out there.
Miasma
09-18-2003, 04:38 PM
Couldn't two people be involved? Dooku could have ordered the clones ("I work for a man named Tyranus," says Jango. Tyranus = Dooku), and Anakin could have erased the files as a favor to Palpatine. The two events did not have to occur at the same time.
jbailey84
09-18-2003, 06:21 PM
qui gon was in SW II? what part of the screen is he on?
Doctor K.
09-18-2003, 08:14 PM
Hey guys I just remembered something! the very last video of the game "Bounty Hunter" there is a FMV sequence that has count dooku asking Jango Fett to do him a favor...and that favor was to clone himself, then they were talking about how he will get an unalters clone for himself...so...I think that Dooku is the one who ordered the clones because he knows that the Republic will become the Empire, so he orders an army of clones for the soon to be Impireal troops.
Originally posted by jbailey84
qui gon was in SW II? what part of the screen is he on?
You can see his statue in the Library. What made me think of it was during EPII production RM said there was pod racing in EPII, and indeed there was. When Anakin and Obi track down Zam at the bar, theres a quick shot of some television monitors and sure enough, there was podracing. So, like I said I might be reaching for this, but I'm gunna stick to my guns until the film comes out and keep thinking its Qui-Gon. Hey, he might not even known who he was helping by placing the order.
Rocketboy
09-19-2003, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by JAE
You can see his statue in the Library. What made me think of it was during EPII production RM said there was pod racing in EPII, and indeed there was. When Anakin and Obi track down Zam at the bar, theres a quick shot of some television monitors and sure enough, there was podracing. So, like I said I might be reaching for this, but I'm gunna stick to my guns until the film comes out and keep thinking its Qui-Gon. Hey, he might not even known who he was helping by placing the order. That wasn't Qui-gon. Those busts are the ""Lost 20" - the only Jedi to leave the oredr voluntarily," according to the Episode II Visual Dictionary. There is one with a beard. I pretty sure it's Dooku.
The Moose
09-19-2003, 05:24 AM
never noticed those. need to go and look at them
jpdill
09-19-2003, 11:14 AM
OMG - i get it now!!!
Senator Tarkin was one of the lost 20. He's in the Temple's Library. And he's also a person who betrays the Jedi and Republic. It makes sense.
The traitor is Tarkin
logan350
09-19-2003, 04:02 PM
Your not saying Tarkin is a jedi are you?
scifi guy
09-19-2003, 04:03 PM
i think Jpdill is thinking that way, logan
jpdill
09-19-2003, 04:16 PM
Well you don't know that Tarkin wasn't now, do you?
It may say in EU that he wasn't, but GL might say he is.
Well he's a betraying senator anyway, so i'm the minimum of being 1/2 right...
Reek Poodoo
09-21-2003, 04:27 PM
If this BIG TWIST everyone is talking about is who erased the files - then there are only four choices:
1. Dooku right before he left the Order.
2. Qui Gonn Jinn - he wouldn't have known what he was erasing, plus he is an idealist.
3. Sifo-Dyas - making him still alive and be the new bad guy in Ep.III.
4. The most likely person - Anakin - at some point during the ten years at the request of Palpatine.
But the big twist event is Anakin's Last Good Deed proposed by Darth Hade of the Episode-X forums which states:
"What if Anakin (as Vader) lets Obi-Wan get away with Luke?
Anakin knows that he has a son, a child named Luke. How?
Obi-Wan (in ANH) knows that Anakin and Vader are the same person. How?
After the fateful duel, Anakin (now Vader) comes after Obi-Wan again. He comes face to face with Kenobi. Obi-Wan is holding an infant. It is Luke.
Even though he has gone over to the Dark Side, even though he is now a Sith Lord, and even though he knows that Luke may pose a threat someday,
"The Emperor knew, as I do, that if Anakin were to have any offspring, they would be a threat to him.” – Obi-Wan to Luke in ROTJ
he lets them go!!! He allows Obi-Wan to get away. He lets his son live! One Last Good Deed? Darth Vader. The Dark Lord of the Sith showing compassion, mercy…love?
What do we take from this? Well, remember this line?
“You should not have come back.” – Vader to Obi-Wan in ANH
Now, what if Vader allows them to leave after telling Obi-Wan something? Think of him having one last conversation with Kenobi. It could go something like this….
”Yes, this is your son. Are you so anxious to see him die? What would Padme have thought about what you are planning to do?" - Obi-Wan
Vader looks down at the boy. He pauses.
”I never want to see you again. Do not ever come back. If you do, I will destroy you!” – Vader
Starwars411
10-01-2003, 04:54 PM
Count Dooku did it.
Kris Hodgson
10-01-2003, 05:02 PM
Vader didn't know about Luke being his son in Episode 4. He only realized it in Empire Strikes Back after reading Luke's thoughts.
wiginabox
10-01-2003, 07:08 PM
Darth Maul having ordered them would be a great twist.
vBulletin® v3.7.3, Copyright ©2000-2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.