T4 With Or Without Arnie??

[spiderman_2k]

Moritz Bormann, CEO of the German-based Internationalmedia, producers of Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, says there could be another sequel even if Arnold Schwarzenegger succeeds in becoming governor of California.

"If we come up with a good story, there will be a fourth Terminator -- with or without Arnold," Bormann said. Schwarzenegger is currently leading the polls.

Bormann said he had discussed Schwarzenegger's political ambitions with him during the filming of "Terminator 3" and had thought of alternatives should Schwarzenegger win the election.

Another actor could play Arnold's Terminator character or Schwarzenegger could make his appearances in flashback scenes.

Interesting...


Also this is great news for the future of T4....


Scooper 'Ants' alerted us that after 34 years of absence, producer Mario Kassar came back to his mother country Lebanon to promote Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines. The Movie Guide, a Lebanese film magazine, did an interview with Kassar in which he revealed some interesting bits on the fourth installment.

"T4 is in the works. The screenplay will be ready in 8 or 9 months. Once we have that, we will proceed with the production," said Kassar.

What new things can we look forward to? "The question that has never been answered in all the Terminator films is time travel. You can come from the future to change the present. But we never see how they go back to the future, which is a subject that can be explored. I think you already know where T4 is going from the ending of T3."

He was also asked about Arnold Schwarzenegger's future with the franchise. "It depends on what he's doing in life. If he wants to do politics, he'll do politics. Then we'll have to figure out a way to do it without him. But he has expressed interest in doing T4."

[JackSparrowsGrl]

Yes. Very interesting...

[anma22]

So it is likely we will see a T4.

[spiderman_2k]

It would definatly seem that way at the moment

[anma22]

I wonder what the budget will be almost certainly less than T3 because they wouldn't need it to get people to watch and if there is no arnie they won't have to pay him 30mil.

[spiderman_2k]

Maybe around the $100-110 million reigon..???

[captain cocanut]

This is a good thing IMO... but I don't like the idea or recasting Arnold's character.....

They don't need him in the story IMO. Hopefully by the time they finish T4 and it gets released... by time they start T5... Arnold should be out of Office to do it:)

[spiderman_2k]

Yeah little cameos in the films would be fine...
I hate the idea of them putting another "new" terminator..as it would be Arnies Terminator but maybe same model number but a different mould was used to make it...Sounds like a horrible idea to me...Keep any main character Terminators out of the future war movies...IMO

[captain cocanut]

yeah... Exactly.

[Balrog of Moria]

Focusing on 1 terminator would be pointless after judgement day....There are millions of them...1 isnt gonna matter...It should focus on the war or nothing else

[spiderman_2k]

As i have been saying for ages and ages

[tedward]

Well it sounds like they wont be doing another time travel movie, so I shall wait and see what they come up with.

[spiderman_2k]

Well at least we have a guarentee it will be a Future War movie...

[anma22]

Okay lots of people are going to hate this but what if they used a cgi arnie. I know they probably won't focus on one terminator and will be a future war movie but still how do you think it would look.

[SkyNet]

T4 with or without Arnie? Nooooo!!! :mad:

[captain cocanut]

I'm just hoping Kyle Reese is the star in this one.

[Balrog of Moria]

We dont even really need reese as a star....A small clip at the end of T4 or T5 showing him sent back would be good enough for me....

Spidey...Have you startedf the books yet

[spiderman_2k]

Im a little way into the second book...Maybe not a star but the series wouldnt make sense unless we see mroe of him....We understand that John gave Kyle the pic of Sarah..that should be shown aswell....

[Balrog of Moria]

As it is in the book ;)

[spiderman_2k]

Well..i wouldnt know yet...:D

[Mr.Matinee]

This mainly needs to be about John.Have cameos of Arnie(Maybe)
and Reese.Also,just for the hell of it,I wanna see T-800's,T-1000,and T-X being built/tested at Skynet.:D

[spiderman_2k]

Reese needs more than a cameo....

[tedward]

Must sees

Terminator Production line (with asualt by human forces)

The time machine.

[spiderman_2k]

Also

The working camps
More in-depth look at tech com forces base's

[Balrog of Moria]

There is so much detail in the books I could tell you guys about all these things but I dont want to spoil it for Spidey

[spiderman_2k]

:(

If people want to read about these things dont let me stop u posting them....

[Mr.Matinee]

Balrog,just use spoiler tags or pms.I can't seem to find the books aywhere,so you are the next best thing.

[spiderman_2k]

U should get them online...

[Balrog of Moria]

Ask and yee shall recieve...What do you want to know

[Mr.Matinee]

Well..everything in the books about Skynet.Terminators,Infiltrators,the whole thing.

[Balrog of Moria]

Whoa...1 at a time please

[spiderman_2k]

LOL
Mr Matinee just buy the books online...much simpler...

[Mr.Matinee]

DAMNIT MAN,I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THAT!;)(and I don't have any money.:D)Okay,then,Balrog.Just give me a general,overview of Skynet.

[Balrog of Moria]

In the books it is actually John who makes SkyNet sentient. His "love" creates a virus to install into it to make sure it doesnt become sentient but she programmed it wrong...When she is dieing she tries to tell him not to hit enter but he misunderstands her and does...Thus making Skynet sentient (capable of thought)...SkyNet is shown as a machine should be...Calculating everything and learning the way a machine should...It had a particular distaste for the connors (Sarah is alive in the books)

NEXT!!!!

[mo mizzy 215]

terminator without arnold would be absolutely gay, that's where batman and dumb and dumber went wrong

[spiderman_2k]

Give me a way they could put him in the story without making it dumb and i will gladl listen....Otherwise, there is no reason to put him in T4...:rolleyes:

[Mr.Matinee]

PREACH IT!;)

[spiderman_2k]

:D

[Balrog of Moria]

Way to go Spidey

[superxero88]

it would be weird without him. makes me wish he loses to someone other than gray davis in the (total ;)) recall election.

[mistaste]

They dont NEED Arny to be the Terminator, it's like Aliens, you dont NEED to have Ripley as the key character, it's the storyline that makes the film, like bringing in the T-X instead of another T-1000 or another T-101, they've changed it, like Arny will have to be changed if he becomes governer instead of acting, but im not saying it wouldn't be good if he was in it again he's still the original all I want from T:4 is it to continue somewhat from the end of T:3 except John has started being the leader of the resistance and has met with all the other rebel factions from around the world, and we get to see the machines changing over film to film until they get to the classic walking metal skeletons we see in the latest Terminator movies. a cameo from Arny (if he's not in it already) would be a good laugh like he's captures BY the machines to be sent back (taken from the 1st movie) and he's used as the skin for the metal skeleton. that's something of how id like the next films to go but i know im probably gonna get a dick lashing for even mentioning Arny doesn't need to be in it now...

[spiderman_2k]

U wont get anything from me..I have been saying all of that for ages now

[sphericthor]

Maybe if people decided to read the threads they might notice all the stuff that has already been said

[spiderman_2k]

Meh...guess he wanted to get his opinion out

[Balrog of Moria]

*prepares for spideys rant*

[spiderman_2k]

Pretty much All was said by mistaste

[Il Duce]

Terminator without Arnie?
That would be like Aliens without Weaver.
Or a James Bond movie without um James Bond.

[Balrog of Moria]

Arnie is NOT NEEDED for T4...I repeat

NOT NEEDED

[Faithless Eye]

oh lord no...Arnie was what held T3 together.

It just isn't Terminator without him.

I guess they have to have it set in the war then.

[Balrog of Moria]

Theres no other way the series could go...It has to be future way

[spiderman_2k]

I thought that was obvious by now....

[IdahoMR2man]

Personally I say no. I don't think he's needed. Basically in T4 the war has begun. Shouldn't T4 be ABOUT the war? So what would be the point of sending a Terminator back in time? Maybe they'll have Arnold make a cameo of him trying to break into a human fortress to assasinate John Connor or something?

[lotrrotkbpf]

maybe they'll have alot of arnolds in it. an army of them!

[spiderman_2k]

Not in the beginning of the war...In fact not in the war at all...The soldier-bots, were not given skin.

[Balrog of Moria]

Yeah...There is no need for them after the initial bombings when the is a lack of central government

[IdahoMR2man]

Also, Arnolds just looking really haggard lately. I think it's time for someone new that kicks as much ass as the original Terminator.

[Balrog of Moria]

Like Vin Diesal :D

[Doomsday]

*Keep in mind I haven't read any previous posts*

Making a T4 without Arnold is a God-awful, terrible, horrendous idea. I don't care what the story is or how cool it's gonna be, but this is Arnold's franchise. It doesn't matter if the story is supposed to be about John Connor or something like that. People relate Terminator to Arnold, and vice versa. I know some of you are gonna say like "the story isn't about 1 Terminator" or something. I know that, I can pretty much guarantee I've seen the movies more than almost all of you, but to make it without Arnold would put a huuuuuge stain on the franchise. It would be the bane of the Terminator saga. Look at Halloween 3, Home Alone 3, etc. See what happens when you take away a main driving force for the franchise? People don't even acknowlege Halloween 3, no one likes Home Alone 3, and the same thing will happen to T4, no matter how cool it is. This is an Arnold Schwarzenegger franchise, it always will be, and if Arnold isn't in it, they shouldn't make it. Believe me, once the T4 hype wears off and a few years pass, you'll see what a big mistake it was.

[spiderman_2k]

Im just going to say i doubt u have seen any of them more times than me....

So u must be a fan right??
That would mean u would understand how throwing Arnie in (As a Terminator) Would make it even worse...There is no reason for him to be there...T4 will be made...With him..The story is trashed..Without him, the story is saved...

[Balrog of Moria]

Home Alone 2 sucked even with the "main driving force"

[spiderman_2k]

I thought it was Okay-Ish...Though...Aaammaazziinngglllyyy...
Far-fetched

[Balrog of Moria]

Understatement of the year...:hehe:

[spiderman_2k]

Yeah..I wont argue with u there.

[Doomsday]

I'm just saying, no matter what the story is, the general public won't really accept it as well because Arnold isn't in it. It's his franchise. Think of making a Rocky without Sylvester Stallone, or Indiana Jones without Harrison Ford. Making T4 without Arnold would be the exact same thing. I don't doubt the story would be kick ass, I'm sure it would be, but if they were smart they would incorporate Arnold into it, for the sake of the movie going public.

[spiderman_2k]

The only way that could happen is if he wasnt a Terminator..That i would be all for...But only if he doesnt ask for as much money.
We are the "movie going public" do our opinions not count??

[Doomsday]

Admit it, most people don't know as much about movies as much as the serious movie-goers who post on these boards. As for it happening, if he isn't in it, I don't care how they brilliantly manage not to include him, they just shouldn't make it in the first place.

[spiderman_2k]

Yes i do admit it..But what difference does it make??
Bottom Line is..T4 will be made..It will either Have Arnie in it..Or It will not..It is as simple as that..If you dont like that Arnie may not be involved..Dont see the movie when it is released...Its really as simple as that.

[Doomsday]

Or....

You can join my coalition, which will kill Nick Stahl, Claire Danes, and anyone even considering directing T4. That'll put a nice little dent in their production time, if you ask me.

[spiderman_2k]

Nah...Sounds a bit too "fruity" for me.

[Mr.Matinee]

The thing is "regular" movie goers are ,well....ignorant.
They like Arnold,as do I,but don't understand(as real fans do)that there is no need for Arnold at all in T4,except for maybe a cameo.

[spiderman_2k]

I would have guessed that knowing Arnie had (maybe) recently been Elected, a Terminator 4 would'nt be able to have him in.

[redpill]

I dont think the story needs him but normal movie goers think terminator then think arnie

[spiderman_2k]

The only way to make it work with him in.Is to make him human...Not a Terminator...

[Balrog of Moria]

I like that idea...Dieter kickin ass

[spiderman_2k]

Yeah...Making him a commando or something who sets up the Resistance with John...Make it a full loop as to why Arnies skin is the skin for the T-800.

[Balrog of Moria]

I like it...That would be the only cool way to include Arnie in the movie

[spiderman_2k]

Yeah, any other way would be a cop-out to the series.

[Doomsday]

Well they could sorta do it like T3. Remember how they talked about the reason why the same model came back to kill, and then protect John. It was because of the connection John made to him as a boy (T2).

Then again, that might be kinda lame, since they already used that once.

OR, better yet, they can just not make it! Whaddaya know, best idea yet!

[spiderman_2k]

Best Idea..IYO...But it wont happen..T4 will be made...Whether u see it or not is your choice.

[Doomsday]

I'll see it for sure, but only so I can add it to the list of movie franchises that started off great, but were completely ruined by 1 sequel too many (Batman).

[spiderman_2k]

Sequels do not ruin franchises...No matter how bad a sequel is it could not take away my enjoyment from the rest of the series.

[Doomsday]

T1 and T2 were great, T3 almost as good, but a T4 will bring down the series as a whole. It won't make the franchise any better, it will only make it bigger, and admit it, the only reason they'd make it would be for $$, not because they want to continue the story, which everyone knows the end to anyways.

[spiderman_2k]

Then just forget about T4 if u dont like it...

I watch Batman and the experience of me watching it is not ruined by Batman And Robin....

[Doomsday]

I know, but the Batman FRANCHISE isn't as good as it was when it was just Batman and Batman Returns. The same will happen to Terminator, believe me.

[spiderman_2k]

Yes, but that still does'nt degrade the better films of the Franchise...If T4 sucks..I will look upon T1, T2 & T3 in the exact same way i do now..I will just see T4 as something not part of it.

[Tony Montana]

Just as me seing T3 as something not part of it (T1 & T2).

[spiderman_2k]

I was happy with T3 so i personally consider it part of the series.

[Balrog of Moria]

Part of the series yes...Of course

[Doomsday]

DUDE! I was watching T2 right now, and I thought of an AWESOME way to do T4. I'm sur esomeone thought of it already, but I like to pretend I have a vivid imagination.

Alright, so Judgement Day happened. That's fine. Well, remember in T3 how the T-800 tells John that he was the one who killed John in the future? Well that should be what T4 is about! It takes place in the future, but it should be about how that T-800 (Arnold's T-800) tries to infiltrate and kill John. Of course, John remembers how he told him he would be the one to kill him. I dunno how they'd incorporate action or whatever into it, but eventually John would destroy that Terminator, which is the same one that goes back in T3. Therefore, the events of T3 don't happen, then BAM, somehow Judgement Day doesn't happen! Everything is fine.

One thing that would make this cool is that Arnold is the bad guy again, like the bad ass Terminator in T1.

Did you get all that? If not I don't blame you, it makes perfect sense to me.

[Balrog of Moria]

I get it...but the general public will never accept it

[spiderman_2k]

I get it, but i dont like it...IMO that should really be part of a bigger film..Not entirley on its own....

[captain cocanut]

Originally posted by Doomsday
DUDE! I was watching T2 right now, and I thought of an AWESOME way to do T4. I'm sur esomeone thought of it already, but I like to pretend I have a vivid imagination.

Alright, so Judgement Day happened. That's fine. Well, remember in T3 how the T-800 tells John that he was the one who killed John in the future? Well that should be what T4 is about! It takes place in the future, but it should be about how that T-800 (Arnold's T-800) tries to infiltrate and kill John. Of course, John remembers how he told him he would be the one to kill him. I dunno how they'd incorporate action or whatever into it, but eventually John would destroy that Terminator, which is the same one that goes back in T3. Therefore, the events of T3 don't happen, then BAM, somehow Judgement Day doesn't happen! Everything is fine.

One thing that would make this cool is that Arnold is the bad guy again, like the bad ass Terminator in T1.

Did you get all that? If not I don't blame you, it makes perfect sense to me.

But wouldn't you NEED arnold for that.... and I don't think They'll do T4 with Arnold now:(

[spiderman_2k]

Doomsday is hoping Arnie will return..So he's basing his ideas on the belief he will....

[Doomsday]

That's 100% correct!

And yes, in order for my idea to happen, you would need Arnold, which is like the only reason I made it up.

It looks like Arnold may get elected, so everybody pray for T4. :(

[Stark]

Maybe they could dig up Robert Patrick.

[spiderman_2k]

Nah...I like the way the T-1000 went out...I think bringing him back is a bad idea.

[mistaste]

what i dont get is if John Connor is supposed to lead the resistance to ultimate victory, how can he do it if he's dead? and now that the Terminator went back in 3 and told him he was gonna kill him and when he was gonna kill him, shouldn't John be able to change his future and not get killed? PLUS near the end of T:3 we heard Arny say "we'll meet again" which should mean Arny's gonna be in the next film whether people like it or not!! i know ive just TOTALLY contradicted myself by saying he doesn't have to be in it, but i just watched T:3 all over again and thought about this thread for some reason:|

[spiderman_2k]

The whole "We'll meet again" Is saying that he will Kill John, or come close....We dont know what happens in the war after T3, I asssume John is killed, and we go onto lose, but if he survives, we go onto win...

[mistaste]

precisely therefore making the next film about the war that ravages the world, if Arny is in the film he can only really play either a commando, or that infiltration units that kill John, he has no other role to play anymore.

[spiderman_2k]

As i have been saying for ages.

[mistaste]

and i am now agreeing with you ... :p

[spiderman_2k]

I am ammasing a great army...:D

[Balrog of Moria]

2nd in command I presume?