Matrix Reloaded - Issues (don't read if you haven't seen it yet) [Archive] - Page 2

hpk37067

06-30-2003, 09:05 PM

Did ETM really mention something about a baby that will merge man and machine or something? Because that would be kinda random. In the Matrix Online, the matrix is still there so I don't know what the f*** is going on.

Originals

06-30-2003, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by hpk37067
Yay, this thread came back! I love this thread.

A THANK U.

Tim37ninjageniu

06-30-2003, 11:36 PM

WTF? you mean thank me i bumped it

Tim37ninjageniu

06-30-2003, 11:36 PM

Oh you don't believe me? I'll prove it.

Originally posted by Tim37ninjageniu
BUMP

Originals

07-01-2003, 12:37 AM

oops sorry, lol

krb

07-01-2003, 05:56 AM

In regards to the original thread starter comments I (almost as the only one) really enjoyd the zion scenes. I liked the "caveman" dance AND the love making between neo and trinity.

My take on it is that they wanted the humans or zion to appear as simple as possible. The society has been semi-bombed back to the roots of history (in a sci-fi sort of way). Why not let humans dance and be happy?? Are we all so serious that we do not dance in front of others like we do in front of the mirror by ourselves ;-)

In regards to the cgi...true it was a little too evident from time to time...but then again..they did their best...the w. brothers have done much to not sell out or make it ... less intense.

I like reloaded... through and through...

hpk37067

07-01-2003, 11:28 AM

The Zion dance scene represented that as much as humans advance in technology, there will always be something that hinders it or stops it. You can see the cave and see how primitive it is. It is saying the technology may not always be the safest of options.

Tim37ninjageniu

07-01-2003, 12:57 PM

I liked both scenes and am glad that they were left in.

hpk37067

07-01-2003, 01:42 PM

I agree.

Originals

07-01-2003, 02:54 PM

i don't.

hpk37067

07-01-2003, 02:55 PM

Explain.

Originals

07-01-2003, 03:02 PM

Son, I don't want these scenes to be in the movie because of the mature content, however i do realize the fact that they are vital to the story. But they didnt need to show it.

hpk37067

07-01-2003, 07:25 PM

Who knows? How do you know? It's rated R. Have you seen Daredevil? Almost the same thing as Reloaded. It could have meant something. You can't make assumptions that they don't need a certain scene.

Tim37ninjageniu

07-01-2003, 08:30 PM

actually he can he will just be wrong. just like anyone who disagrees with me

Originals

07-02-2003, 06:29 PM

listen, i know that this scene is important because trinity will probably have a child in revolutions. All im saying is, we all know where we come from, except for maybe u, so we dont need it in there if that is the reason. We assume that if they had a baby, they did it.

spiderman_2k

07-02-2003, 06:43 PM

How will she have a child??
It is set over hours not months, i doubt she does all that fighting only to have a baby....., If it was advanced growth maybe a machine Hybrid, the signs of pregnancy would be shown during some of Reloaded and all through Revolutions.

Originals

07-02-2003, 06:47 PM

yes but, in revolutions she can still have it.

spiderman_2k

07-02-2003, 06:50 PM

Without any showing of pregnancy??

Originals

07-02-2003, 06:50 PM

yes! must u make it more than it is. lol

spiderman_2k

07-02-2003, 06:52 PM

Well i like to think any negative points to ideas, stuff that would make it unlikely that it will happen.

Originals

07-02-2003, 06:56 PM

yea i know what you mean...why dont we just wait a few months and see what happens.

spiderman_2k

07-02-2003, 06:58 PM

Thats what i say, all this guesswork is fun, but none of us know whats going to happen until Revolutions is released.

Originals

07-02-2003, 06:59 PM

yes indeedy. have u seen t3 yet?

spiderman_2k

07-02-2003, 07:03 PM

Not out in UK till August 1st

Tim37ninjageniu

07-02-2003, 07:18 PM

i think there is a sneak preiview today im gonna see if I can get tickets

Originals

07-02-2003, 07:20 PM

spiderman_2k, where do you live in the UK. Do u enjoy wimbledon?

hpk37067

07-03-2003, 02:03 PM

You play tennis Originals?

spiderman_2k

07-03-2003, 02:07 PM

Well Henman just got knocked out so im not feeling alot of love for Wimbledon at the moment.

hpk37067

07-03-2003, 02:08 PM

Yeah, go Roddick! He's gonna have a tough time against Federer. Too bad Sampras is gone. Anyway, this topic should be in sports.

spiderman_2k

07-03-2003, 02:11 PM

Yeah well.....Too lazy to make a thread there...Or click on it as its so far down the list.

hpk37067

07-03-2003, 02:16 PM

I made the thread. Go check it out!

Tim37ninjageniu

07-03-2003, 02:23 PM

Who thinks that Revolutions will be better than T3

hpk37067

07-03-2003, 02:24 PM

I think so. T3 seems kinda like the same ole thing. Protect John Conner or die trying, just like T2 except with a more powerful cyborg.

hpk37067

07-05-2003, 11:27 AM

And Revolutions is the conclusion. People are stupid. They think the movie ended just like that when the conclusion is still to come, which will blow everyone's minds.

G-Matrix

07-05-2003, 02:03 PM

No i'm not I still drowning my saliva with reloaded and I eagerly hope the conclusion of the awesome movie of the brother...WE love Andy and larry!!!! jejejeej

awakened

07-05-2003, 02:22 PM

Revolutions is going to demolish T3. The terminator series stagnant compared to the matrix series

hpk37067

07-05-2003, 05:38 PM

Terminator is cool but just gets more and more predictable. If they make a T4, it will suck eggs. But yes, Revolutions will make scrap metal out of T3.

Tim37ninjageniu

07-06-2003, 11:13 PM

A T4 would not suck eggs because of the way T3 ended.

T3 ends with Judgement Day and the huge atomic war. Arnold has no role to play in any possible sequels. Any sequels that are made would be futuristic war movies and would be very different than the first 3.

But yes the matrix kicks Terminator Ass any day.

awakened

07-07-2003, 12:25 AM

hold on now...terminator 1 and 2 were unbelievably awesome. i was just commenting on t3 vs. the matrix series. if you were to ask me to compare terminators first 2 offerings vs. the matrix...lets just say it'd be close. but ultimately the awesome storyline and camerawork will get me to vote for the matrix.

Tim37ninjageniu

07-07-2003, 07:20 PM

It would be very close. I still say Matrix.

iamnotsilentbob

07-07-2003, 09:23 PM

Hi.

I have an issue apart from all the other issues presented here.

Please keep in mind that I am a fan of these stories - and I enjoy all the theories, ideas etc presented.

But, the One is pointless.

Allow me to explain.

We know that 1% of the population cannot "accept" the matrix, and for that reason the prophecy, etc was created.

Now then - it seems to me that it is awfully foolish to risk destruction of the matrix and humanity (assuming the architect is not lying) to try and operate at 100% efficiency.

The machines (to me) should be ready to accept 1% of their "crop" as a loss, and use that as surplus food for the remaining 99%. Something like this - the machines detect the emergence of another "rebel" - oops, got another one - cut it now, time to recycle....

I don't but that "the machines need to operate at 100% efficiency." It seems more logical to accept the 1% loss and kill anyone who cannot accept the programming.

Peace,
iansb

PS: And yes, I know that without the "One", and such we'd have no movie(s), but this thread is "Issues with..."

Tim37ninjageniu

07-07-2003, 11:41 PM

The machines can not tell who will or will not accept the programming. They do try to destroy that 1% but the human resistance is growing and they are freeing more and more people.

iamnotsilentbob

07-08-2003, 11:56 AM

Hi. Actually, i don't think they try and destroy that 1% - they placate it with the "One" mythology and when it reaches critical mass, "reload" the matrix, and start over again with a new Zion.

They can tell who's rejected the programming - it'd be anyone getting "flushed" - i.e. Neo in M1. The machine inspected Neo after he woke up, and "purged" him. Instead the machine could have "killed" him first, then flushed him.

recall also, the guy in "World Record". He woke up (agents were aware of his impending enlightenment before it happened; they detected an unstable signal), then was bound further in the "real world" (I refer to the red "lightbar" type bindings that went around his limbs - implying further imprisoning efforts by the machines to keep him from "waking up") - instead he could have just been killed, and recycled, instead of worrying about him becoming "free."

Again, it comes down to risking everything to recover 1% of your operating losses. Not worth it to me, but then again, I'm not a machine.

Peace,
iansb

hpk37067

07-08-2003, 12:51 PM

The 1% is actually crucial. If they don't risk the destruction of Zion, then they let the rebels win. The One will eventually get to the Source and would destroy the machines if he/she wasn't given a choice. The machines would lose and they don't want that. So they give them a choice of whether the human race will be enslaved, or destroyed. And the One cannot be eliminated from the matrix because it is inherent to it. It will free minds anyway and if the machines don't stop it, they will lose everything. The machines have to risk everything.

iamnotsilentbob

07-08-2003, 04:09 PM

Good points.

But if you destroy "the one" as the machine could have when Neo awoke in M1, and do that to all those that awaken, they cease to be a threat and are merely a food source.

I understand all the subtexts of choice, and the mythology of the storyline, etc. I'm just positing that it is foolish for the machines to risk their own destruction for 100% "battery" utilization when they could suffice with 0 chance of destruction and 99% efficiency.

Even W.O.P.R. learned futulity. :-)

Peace,
iansb

Boiiinng

07-08-2003, 04:58 PM

They have stopped trying to maintain 100%. The architect said so himself, he needed a program less bound by perfection. They are simply trying to maintain 99% so the system doesn't degrade and fail like the first two matrices that both tried for perfection.

hpk37067

07-09-2003, 08:55 PM

The problem is that until Neo can access the code he carries, no one knows he is the One. Morpheus just got people who seem to know about the matrix, but at the same time don't. The machines would have killed him if he could fly and stuff but they don't know until he's gone.

G-Matrix

07-12-2003, 03:35 PM

or maybe they did know his condition as the anomaly known as the one but because of he didn't knew he was the one and his powers were undeveloped he was inoffensive for the machines and the machines never thought till he was gone and with morpheus training that he would be able to free his mind and make use of the code his carries as an anomaly or better they knew but all they want was that he complete the matrix cycle disseninating his code in the source as the other anomalies

lord_elrond

07-12-2003, 08:51 PM

reloaded sucked, and that's the bottom line. if it were truly great, finding nemo wouldn't have beaten it at the box office! ha!

G-Matrix

07-13-2003, 11:19 AM

look elrond if u don't like the matrix reloaded what the f... r u doing here mam!!!!

spiderman_2k

07-13-2003, 11:21 AM

Because hes a dumbass idiot...Thats why

G-Matrix

07-13-2003, 11:29 AM

uah right jab to elrond from spidey!!!

MurrayTheSkull

10-04-2003, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by MatrixHasBeenOD

6.) The feeling of the first movie, the story's aura, everything - this movie wasn't the same. It wasn't as raw and sweet, it was overkill. Probably because at first they had no intention of making more movies - so they basically had to pull stuff out of their a$$es, which explains Reloaded's funny vibe. The 3rd movie better touch some roots.

Watch the Matrix: Revisited and one of the executives mentions that the Wachowski Brothers had intended to make this a three movie deal.

Fanible

10-05-2003, 05:38 PM

Revolutions definitly touches some roots, and deals a lot more with the history overall. The overall story Revolutions is going to create is gonna be awsome.

Anyway, the reason Reloaded didn't make more than Finding Nemo:
A. Reloaded is Rated R
B. Finding Nemo was made by a famous company that makes CGI Family films that are always very popular.
C. Pixar Films have always made in this range amount of money

And on a last note, the LOTR films havn't made much more than Finding Nemo in the US, and hundreds of better films have made much less than both films. So that kinda "proof that it sucked" is pretty inane.

I guess every other film under Finding Nemo sucks too? Cause that's basicly what you were saying.

Insomnia

10-06-2003, 04:28 PM

The "crotch-n-code" scene where the cake eating lady had an orgasm, unwarranted. Looking at Martrix 1, I know it never would have been in that film. That was not Matrix worthy humor, that was stupid.

Well... the main function of the cake wasn't humor

The merovingian was making two points:
- causality, everyone is a slave to it
- the only power you have is the why

The part with the cake was giving an example of the:
- she ate the cake written by Mero >> she gets an orgasm (cause and effect)
- she doesn't know the why >> she's powerless

Merovingian:
"Causality. There is no escape from it, we are forever slaves to it. Our only hope, our only peace is to understand it, to understand the `why.' `Why' is what separates us from them, you from me. `Why' is the only real social power, without it you are powerless."

The funny part is him totally forgetting the two things he made clear 5 minutes ago when Persephone released the keymaker:
Mero: "Persephone how (why) could you do this, you betrayed me!"
and
Mero: "Cause? There is no cause for this"

Fanible

10-08-2003, 02:03 AM

Yeah. It was pretty much a means for two lines and two scenes. It made him end his meeting, leave the room, and in result have Persephone help them.

He wrote the cake for her so he could go get a bj in the bathroom. This pissed Persephone off.

PitbulI

10-09-2003, 08:38 PM

This is my first time in these forums and when I originally watched The Matrix Reloaded, I walked out thinking, Really good Movie except I didn't like the sex scene or the ending. The first sex scene with the stupid techno dance I will gladly skip on the DVD as it is a waste of 5-10 minutes.

The ending I came to realize wasn't that bad and since we all knew when the third film was coming and that there was a third film, that put my mind at rest.

The cake orgasm was different but I thought it was funny. Because that setup the entire reason Phospherone "Spell check?" did what she did to get back at her man.

The one thing I didn't like was that jump scene in the burly brawl when he's spinning with the pole and you can see it's almost video game graphics.

Boiiinng

10-09-2003, 09:37 PM

Are you kidding? The spin attack was the best part! IMO. Anyway, the sex/rave scene was only just under 4 minutes. It sets up the whole love thing at the end with the Architect. It's been discussed at great length in other threads, but I still like it and think it fits rather well. The more times you see it, the faster it goes. I think a lot of people went in to the film having a preconceived notion of how fast the film would go, and didn't expect all the slower paced drama and exposition at the beginning.

awakened

10-10-2003, 01:02 AM

i like the spinning part too. The part i didn't like was when he threw one the smiths into the crowd and it sounded like bowling pins. Oh and when Neo was jumping on top of the smiths...that was *****ing gay.