How come The New Star Wars Movies Suck???

[tman662000]

How Come? Can someone tell me?

[Godzilla]

It's called Hollywood. Get used to it.

[southern]

Bad acting

[ruban]

I was thinking about that the other day.

My girlfriend & I went to Radio Shack to buy a phone, and as we are looking around, they had an entertainment setup at the back of the store. No man could miss the loud booms from a subwoofer.
So I leave her, heading towards the big screen and notice that they are playing SW:Attack of the Clones, right at the scene when Anakin & Obi-Wan meet up with Count Dooku in the final act. I've seen the movie in theatres so it wasn't new to me, but man was it lame. Even the so-called "best" part; Yoda vs Count Dooku was uninspiring, dull, and short. I left halfway through that fight scene.

Dammit, I'm gonna go watch the 4,5, & 6 now =/

[todd philip]

WELL FIRST OFF, THEY DONT SUCK, THEY ARE COOL ACTION/SCI FI/ADVENTURE FLICKS!

unless your ebert and roeper or some other dopey critic that just cares about art house films then these are fun!!! :applaud:

[Kris Hodgson]

I liked the new Star Wars movies. I don't care what any of you say. Everyone is so busy picking them apart and looking for a reason to ***** about them, that they are not even giving them a chance.

[tman662000]

Originally posted by Kris Hodgson
they are not even giving them a chance.

Oh I'll give them a chance...a chance to never show their face around my home again. Phantom Menace and Attack Of The Clones were not good films, and I would place them in a catagory with Adventures Of Pluto Nash and Extreme Ops. George Lucas needs to stop his Orgy with Digital Effects in the SW movies, He uses ILM like a kid in a candy store. Special Effects need to be used in small doses, an example being:
LOTR - Instead of going all Digital like Lucas, Peter Jackson instead used actual sets, minatures, map paintings and Camera Tricks to do lots of the movies special Effects. Of course there is Digital Computer Effects, but only for the scenes where there was no other choice.
Also, I think it will be good for humanity if Lucas got an actual writer to write the third installment of his lacklaster new Star Wars films. Georgy Boy cant write good material at all, AOTC has an almost laughable screenplay. Lucas' personal Gang Bang with writing these films has been taken too far.
Also, they advertised so much about the Yodo Fight, and all the fans think its the best thing since their blow Up Amidala Doll, but actually its not very interesting. Yodo just flips and jumps back and forth and never does anything cool. I beleive this to be up there for one of the worst fight sequences in any SW film.
In closing, all you guys need to stop defending George Lucas, cause you all think this is a bad movie deep down, and the people who say they like it are just in denile. Much like homosexual Anikin Skywalker, you should all accept your destiny and hate this movie.

Signing Out, Tman

[Kris Hodgson]

Originally posted by tman662000

In closing, all you guys need to stop defending George Lucas, cause you all think this is a bad movie deep down, and the people who say they like it are just in denile. Much like homosexual Anikin Skywalker, you should all accept your destiny and hate this movie.

Signing Out, Tman

Thanks for telling me what I do and do not like. That's really helpful, cuz I get confused sometimes :rolleyes:

[Clark Savage Jr]

If someone says they hate the new Star Wars movies I don't tell them that they realy love them and are in denial, so I don't appreciate someone saying the opposite to me. I like the Star Wars movies, I am not in denial, I am not deranged, I am not an idiot....I just happen to like them. If you don't like them, fine, that is your perogitive. I have fun watching them. I find them exciting, funny, and thrilling. If you don't, fine, that is your perogitive. I will not try to convince you other wise, I will show you that some people like them and are civil with the people who have opposite feelings.

[todd philip]

the new star wars a really growing on me!!!

THEY ARE GREAT!!!:applaud:

[Alexander JL]

Because of the high expectations, and the slight deviation in style and tone...

Not to mention that it doesn't have HAN SOLO!

[true fan11212]

tman662000:I understand that you don't like the Prequels,but how the hell can you say that other people are in denial for liking them?You can't!Believe it or not,there are somepeople who really do love the Prequels sofar(Me being one of them).

[joe_h]

In closing, all you guys need to stop defending George Lucas, cause you all think this is a bad movie deep down, and the people who say they like it are just in denile. Much like homosexual Anikin Skywalker, you should all accept your destiny and hate this movie.

:rolleyes: Quite frankly, your entire post is about the most laughable thing I've ever read. Learn to write.

Secondly, keep your opinions to yourself. I don't think like you, and I disagree with everything you said. Besides, you're opinion is the one in the minority.

Third, I couldn't give a damn what Peter Jackson did. I don't like LOTR. Found the books to be boring, and the films aren't much different. Only a fool would think otherwise. You know it's boring. Stop defending Peter Jackson. See how stupid that sounds.

By the way, it's denial, not denile. Denile is a river in Egypt.

[George Bushs 18th cousin]

Phantom Menace sucked in every aspect...although Qui Gon was a good character, unnecessary but good (It could've just as easily been Obi Wan and not have killed him). The only part of AOTC that kept my interest was the Obi Wan detective story.

[jbailey84]

i dont think that the new star wars movies suck at all. you gotta remember, not every movie director film the same way. if lucas wants digital effects, let him do it. if peter jackson wants to make sets and everything there, let him do it. lucas is doing alot of computer graphics cause he can do things that cant happen with props or whatever. plus using comp graphics is faster, easier, and as well expensive which is the down part. sure he created jar jar binks, but what is created can be killed. But you got to realize that movies now and days have alot of computer graphics. but anyways, I don't think that the new star wars movies suck. Darth Maul is still the greatest new character even though he got killed off in the first film!!! And that light saber battle with him vs Qui Gon & Kenobi!

[charade]

Originally posted by joe_h
By the way, it's denial, not denile. Denile is a river in Egypt. I'm not sure why, but that made my laugh like a nut.
Of course, I am a nut.


Anyways.. I may not be the biggest star wars fan, but I think the new movies suffer greatly because of the inescapable comparisons between them and the original trilogy. True, when the two.. er, people (i have no idea but these producer/director/whatever people anyway) weren't there to shape George Lucas' bundle of weird ideas, it made for somewhat of a lackluster story, but the movies are nowhere near as bad as some make them out to be. They may not have what the original had, but hey. At the very least, it's nice for fans to be able to sketch out the history preceding A New Hope

[tman662000]

Originally posted by joe_h
By the way, it's denial, not denile. Denile is a river in Egypt.

Ughhh...dont correct my spelling, thats one of my pet peeves on these boards. The internet and these boards are all about giving your opinion on a topic, and I gave mine. Besides, that last part in my post before was sort of a joke, I thought it would be obvious but I guess not. Anyways, now that I've sorted that out, I still think STAR WARS IS A BIG STEAMING PILE OF DUNG!! Lucas should take a hint from Jackson on how to make a movie. Its not all about Special Effects, Lucas needs to figure that out.

[southern]

Originally posted by joe_h
Secondly, keep your opinions to yourself. I don't think like you, and I disagree with everything you said. Besides, you're opinion is the one in the minority.

it's a message board he can post whatever he wants so get over it:rolleyes:

[Laterose]

Originally posted by southern
Bad acting

try no acting, it's all CGI

[todd philip]

Originally posted by Laterose
try no acting, it's all CGI thats not true!

[jbailey84]

posted by: joe_hBy the way, it's denial, not denile. Denile is a river in Egypt. The river in Egypt is spelled the Nile.

[charade]

Originally posted by todd philip
thats not true! Oh, we're sorry.
It's 97% CGI. What were we thinking?

[Kevin Roegele]

I think it's very hard to say how good the prequels are. Unlike the original trilogy, I don't think the prequels work well as individual films, nor were they meant to. They certainly don't have the mystery and wonder of the original films, but they occasionaly reach mythic crescendos like the Duel of the Fates, when Darth Maul appeared and fought the Jedi, but generally the prequels seem to be about politics when the originals were about magic.

The romanticism of the Jedi, formely mysterious, swashbuckling monk/wizards, has become a bunch of show-off martial art soldiers with lightsabers. Mace Windu is the complete opposite of what a Jedi should be, he lacks all the characteristics they should have. Plus Sam Jackson's acting is atrocious in these movies.

In closing, although Attack of the Clones is faster paced and more action-packed, it doesn't feel like a Star Wars film to me, it feels like modern retro sci-fi. There was a 50's diner that Obi-Wan visited that was totally out of place in Star Wars. The Obi-Wan in A New Hope never visited a 50's-esque diner because they never existed in his universe. The Phantom Menace has dull stretches and a lack of villainy, but it really feels like Star Wars to me.

[Mat]

Visually, these films are stunning achievments. Acting and story-wise, their so-so. They lack the sarcasom, wit, and charm to call them masterpieces like the Original movies were. These are beautiful, exciting pictures though. Look at the chaos of the battle of Geonosis, the sand blown everywhere showing that those clones did not know what they were shooting at. The battle between Yoda and Dooku was a milestone in CG animation (as is Gollum in TTT), and truly a treat to watch. Those are only two examples of Lucas's visual genius, but he doesn't get enough from his actors.

Ewan is probably my favorite actor in the entire prequel trilogy so far, and if Lucas would have written for him right in The Phantom Menace, he could have easily became the Han Solo for this Trilogy, but instead he decided to insert a stick figure who only shows emotion when his master is slain. Obi-Wan shows more humanity in AOTC and the picture is better for it. Lucas inserts another stick figure in as Padme, who is supposedly torn between Anikan's love and her political duty but ends up looking like she's only trying to remember lines. In Anikan, he casts the most annoying child actor to date and gives him the most ridiculous lines in cinema history. In AOTC, Lucas tries to get the conflicting emotions out of an relative unknown actor, and ends up getting a whiny, goodfornothing brat.

I have pages and pages of this stuff, both good and bad (and Jar Jar), but I'm tired of typing. These are probably the movies I have the most conflicting views on, so I'll just leave it at that.

[Bruce69]

you cant say they suck until the last one has been released. Any attack of the clones was cool.

[Kevin Roegele]

Originally posted by Bruce69
you cant say they suck until the last one has been released. Any attack of the clones was cool.

The perfect damnation with faint praise. The original moves were classics, genuinely great movies. Attack of the Clones is cool.

[todd philip]

THESE MOVIES ARE GREAT!!!:applaud: :applaud: :applaud:

[tman662000]

Originally posted by Mat
The battle between Yoda and Dooku was a milestone in CG animation (as is Gollum in TTT)

I think comparing the Yoda Fight with Gollum is laughable. Now while the Yoda fight was funny to look at, cause all he does it hop around, there was no substance to that scene. It was just some Stunt Guy twirling around, and then the digital nerds adding in some little green Ball with a lightsaber.
Gollum was a work of art, it set new standards for computer animated characters. Jar Jar and Yoda in AOTC are obviously digital, and you can tell, especially on Yoda. Gollum looks as real as anything you could imagine. Lets face it.....Some movies are Benchmarks for Special Effects:

Original Star Wars Trilogy
Who Frammed Roger Rabbit
The Abyss
Terminator 2
Jurassic Park
The Matrix
Lord Of The Rings trilogy (So Far)

New Star Wars movies just dont make the cut....

[Mat]

I think your opinion is based largely on that we've always been used to puppet Yoda. I agree that you can tell that the CG Yoda is CG, and not the puppet, but that's the catch, the CG Yoda is so much more realistic than puppet Yoda that we think the CG Yoda is fake. We see the puppet Yoda as the definitive Yoda so this CG Yoda seems fake even though it is much more realistic. Okay, now I'm starting confuse myself so I think I'll stop. I agree though that it's no Gollum.

BTW, I do think the new SW movies deserve to be on that list of benchmark Special Effects movies, but so does 2001 and Blade Runner. :)

[Kevin Roegele]

Originally posted by tman662000
I think comparing the Yoda Fight with Gollum is laughable.

The Yoda fight is terrible. It made the formely great character of Yoda into a laughable figure. This is clearly not the Yoda of The Empire Strikes Back.

[tman662000]

Originally posted by Mat
I do think the new SW movies deserve to be on that list of benchmark Special Effects movies

I dont think that they deserve to be near the list of great acheivments in special Effects. A Benchmark movie would have to create something new to the movie going public

Original Star Wars Trilogy : Needs No explanation, probably the biggest Leap special Effects have taken.

Who Frammed Roger Rabbit : First time the use of Real and Animated characters was used to this extent. That movie must have been so hard to make, honestly.

The Abyss : I beleive this was the first movie ever to use Digital Effects to create a whole new creature. The water worm or whatever its called.

Terminator 2 : This just expanded The Abyss but with better special effects. First Digital Effects used in a huge blockbuster.

Jurassic Park : This needs no explanation either, the second biggest leap for Special Effects and took Digital Effects to the mainstream. Still some of the best use of Digital Creatures.

The Matrix : Created the whole "Bullet Time" effect which has been a parody in a lot of other movies. Created a whole new Genre of movies really, with the gravity defying action movie.

Lord Of The Rings : Created the most realistic computer generated character in history, also created the best battle filled effects, with Massive program. The best use of special Effects where you dont know your seeing special effects.

What has new Star Wars trilogy done?? Used a blue screen for almost every scene...thats been done before.
Made a completely digital character? Thats been done before, and a lot better too.

Nothing new, Nothing spectracular...PPPEACE

[Frizzo the Clown]

Originally posted by tman662000
The Matrix : Created the whole "Bullet Time" effect which has been a parody in a lot of other movies. Created a whole new Genre of movies really, with the gravity defying action movie.
Actually, the Matrix wasn't the first to use the effect. It was just the first film to really get credit for it.

[jbailey84]

not to sound rude but what was the first movie to use the bullet time effects?

[Mat]

Originally posted by tman662000
I dont think that they deserve to be near the list of great acheivments in special Effects. A Benchmark movie would have to create something new to the movie going public

Original Star Wars Trilogy : Needs No explanation, probably the biggest Leap special Effects have taken.


What has new Star Wars trilogy done?? Used a blue screen for almost every scene...thats been done before.
Made a completely digital character? Thats been done before, and a lot better too.


Jar Jar was the first completely CG character. Sure, Gollum's ten times better, but Jar Jar was first. If you want to see a lot of the original SW's fx, just watch 2001. Of course most people fall asleep before the monkey tosses the bone. ;)

[Laterose]

Originally posted by tman662000

Lord Of The Rings : Created the most realistic computer generated character in history, also created the best battle filled effects, with Massive program. The best use of special Effects where you dont know your seeing special effects.


Exactly. One of the best films of all time and Gollum was extremely well done!

[evilsquishy]

Originally posted by Laterose
Exactly. One of the best films of all time and Gollum was extremely well done!
Way ahead of most CG characters. I saw the preview for the Hulk today and wasn't very impressed w/ the graphics. Granted they may not be done, but it really made me glad they did Gollum so well.

[todd philip]

Originally posted by evilsquishy
Way ahead of most CG characters. I saw the preview for the Hulk today and wasn't very impressed w/ the graphics. Granted they may not be done, but it really made me glad they did Gollum so well. i agree, i was disapointed by the fx, maybe they arnt done, but i doubt it! :rolleyes:

[jbailey84]

id just like to say this, its going to be a sad day when Return of the King comes out for the Lord of the Ring fans and also when Episode III comes out for Star Wars fans :(

[Mat]

Originally posted by jbailey84
id just like to say this, its going to be a sad day when Return of the King comes out for the Lord of the Ring fans and also when Episode III comes out for Star Wars fans :(

I don't think so. If we can "inspire" PJ to The Hobbit, we have more to look forward to. With Star Wars, I want it to end. We don't need a "Star Wars: The Next Generation of crappy movies" like a certain other franchise.

[todd philip]

yes it will be sad for star wars fans, but lotr fans can still look forward to the hobbit, and even the similarin!

[jbailey84]

yeahhhh the hobbit, but still no one has answered my question, what was the first movie to use the bullet time effects if it wasnt the matrix that Frizzo the Clown said that it was the first to get credit for it.

[todd philip]

Originally posted by jbailey84
yeahhhh the hobbit, but still no one has answered my question, what was the first movie to use the bullet time effects if it wasnt the matrix that Frizzo the Clown said that it was the first to get credit for it. the first movie was nbc's MERLIN !!!

[dr_evil]

someone probally said this already

George lucas learned he could make a bad movie and people will still see it
so he will get paid the same(if not more) and the audience is tortured for 2 hours:D

[todd philip]

Originally posted by dr_evil
someone probally said this already

George lucas learned he could make a bad movie and people will still see it
so he will get paid the same(if not more) and the audience is tortured for 2 hours:D shuuuuuuuush you!!!

many, many people love these movies!!! they are great entertainment:applaud: :applaud: :applaud: :applaud:

[Omega Supreme]

Originally posted by todd philip
the first movie was nbc's MERLIN !!!

Really?!?! Is this the one with Sam Neill as Merlin?

[todd philip]

Originally posted by Omega Supreme
Really?!?! Is this the one with Sam Neill as Merlin? yes it is!!! :)

[Laterose]

Originally posted by dr_evil
someone probally said this already

George lucas learned he could make a bad movie and people will still see it
so he will get paid the same(if not more) and the audience is tortured for 2 hours:D

:grin:

[evilsquishy]

Which is true of most big-name directors. They started out good, proceeded to crap and still make big money:rolleyes:

[todd philip]

these new movies are far from being crap!

[evilsquishy]

Originally posted by todd philip
these new movies are far from being crap!
Yes, we all know you are madly in love with them. Give me three good reasons why they are masterpieces.....

[speed650p]

i think people dont like them because they already know the ending, that the big problems with prequel. we all know that anakin will be dark vader and palpatine will be the emperor. so why watching these movies?? nobody is interested in watching them. me, i like them because im a fan of sw, but its not everyone who is interessed of spending 6 hours of visual effects.

[tman662000]

Originally posted by speed650p
i think people dont like them because they already know the ending

Naaa, I dont like them because they SUCK!!!!! George Lucas thinks filling your movie with special effects will draw the attention of the audience away from the terrible script and acting.
But while I didnt really like either of them, I thought Phantom Menace was a better flick than Attack of The Clones. AOTC was too boring, and that awful love story. It has to go down as one of the worst love stories in movie history. George Lucas should shoot his script writer......wait, it was him.
The kid in TPM was absolutely terrible, how could a casting director think this kid is good, he was so bad. Almost as bad as the main kid in Kingergarden Cop.
The only reason I like TPM better was because the Duel Of The Fates scene was pretty cool. Even if you hate Star Wars, that was a cool fight. Nothing like that even comes close to that level in AOTC, not even that Yoda Fight, which has been highly overrated. Lucas seems to be selling that movie only on that scene, with it being in all the commercials and on the DVD. Please, it was average at best.
All in all, Star Wars sucks. Thanks and Good Night

[todd philip]

Originally posted by speed650p
i think people dont like them because they already know the ending, that the big problems with prequel. we all know that anakin will be dark vader and palpatine will be the emperor. so why watching these movies?? nobody is interested in watching them. me, i like them because im a fan of sw, but its not everyone who is interessed of spending 6 hours of visual effects. i find it more enjoyable becouse i know how it will end!!!:applaud:

[evilsquishy]

Originally posted by todd philip
i find it more enjoyable becouse i know how it will end!!!:applaud: Doesn't it ruin the surprise for you? That's what I love about movies, the suspense and not knowing which way the plot will turn next!

[todd philip]

Originally posted by evilsquishy
Doesn't it ruin the surprise for you? That's what I love about movies, the suspense and not knowing which way the plot will turn next! well episode 3 is sure to have a few suprise's up its sleves! :applaud:

[Dag Marus02]

Okay, I'm the biggest SW geek in the world and I agree that these movies have been BEYOND disappointing. Wanna know MY theory? The director's chair says "George Lucas". He may have done a phenomenal job of creating this universe and establishing the characters and their relationships in OT, but he can NOT direct. Think about it. The best SW movie was ESB and it was Kershner that made it so good. I even find ROTJ to be better than ANH. Why, Lucas can't direct. If he had half a brain in his head, he would have hired a different, more competent director. I mean, before Episode one, what was Lucas' last movie? Howard the Duck? And I think we can agree THAT was a progressive step backward...

[Mat]

Originally posted by Dag Marus02
Okay, I'm the biggest SW geek in the world and I agree that these movies have been BEYOND disappointing. Wanna know MY theory? The director's chair says "George Lucas". He may have done a phenomenal job of creating this universe and establishing the characters and their relationships in OT, but he can NOT direct. Think about it. The best SW movie was ESB and it was Kershner that made it so good. I even find ROTJ to be better than ANH. Why, Lucas can't direct. If he had half a brain in his head, he would have hired a different, more competent director. I mean, before Episode one, what was Lucas' last movie? Howard the Duck? And I think we can agree THAT was a progressive step backward...

Lucas didn't direct Howard the Duck. Kershener also directed Robocop 2 (which is a lot worse than any Prequel movie), so don't say he is soley responsible for ESB's greatness. A New Hope is classic, classic, classic stuff. Return of the Jedi couldn't top it. Lucas didn't forget how to direct (he's done a fantastic job visually with the prequels) he just doesn't get enough out of his actors. He may need to work on his writing (maybe let someone else do it), but his directing is fine.

[robyn]

For what they are, the new SW episodes don't suck. Compared to the old ones, I would agree that they lack that little something that made the originals so great, but if the old ones never existed and the new ones had just come out, then everybody would love them and think that they were great and this thread wouldn't have been posted. The new one's are good, not great, but not sucky.

[Clark Savage Jr]

It's funny....I remember when you had to be careful saying you liked Star Wars around beer bellied Nascar hat wearing tobacco chewing Klansmen. Now you get the same treatment from teenage we know more than Lucas fanboys.

I love Star Wars. I like the original series. I like the new series. I like the books. There are good and bad parts to every single movie, but I like them. As I have said before, I am an old man...but I apparently get more fun and humour out of life than a bunch of the teens I listen to on these pages.

[tman662000]

Originally posted by robyn
For what they are, the new SW episodes don't suck. Compared to the old ones, I would agree that they lack that little something that made the originals so great, but if the old ones never existed and the new ones had just come out, then everybody would love them and think that they were great and this thread wouldn't have been posted. The new one's are good, not great, but not sucky.

Naaa, I dont agree with this. The new Star Wars movies do get compared to the old ones a lot, but thats not why people dont like them. I think most people compare the new Star Wars to other movies coming out at the same time, or in the same Genre. Even if the OT didnt ever come out, and these Star Wars movies were the first, they would get compared to LOTR or The Matrix, and would come up with the same result.
These movies do suck compared to OT, but if the OT never came out, they would still get compared to other movies in its genre and come up short once again.

[Laterose]

Originally posted by evilsquishy
Doesn't it ruin the surprise for you? That's what I love about movies, the suspense and not knowing which way the plot will turn next!
exactly, i hate knowing the ending...

[evilsquishy]

Originally posted by Laterose
exactly, i hate knowing the ending... Which is why I love movies w/ twists at the end. I think I know what's going to happen and they completely change it!:D

[Balrog of Moria]

TPM = Best movie ever (Tied with LOTR)
AOTC= Not so great

Thats just my opinion, I could be wrong

[evilsquishy]

Originally posted by Balrog of Moria
TPM = Best movie ever (Tied with LOTR)
Thats just my opinion, I could be wrong
Best movie ever? I don't think so. It's not like it has a classic plot or anything. It's just setting up the trilogy. And I don't really think LOTR was the GREATEST movie of all time. It's one of the top ones, but it's hard to say what's actually the best.

And that last part is a good way to keep people from getting mad at you!;)

[Mat]

Originally posted by Balrog of Moria
TPM = Best movie ever (Tied with LOTR)
AOTC= Not so great

Thats just my opinion, I could be wrong

Way to Go! Take the unpopular opinion and run with it, man. If you can withstand the public stoning you'll get, then you'll come out stronger.

But your opinion is wrong... ;)

[tman662000]

Originally posted by Balrog of Moria
TPM = Best movie ever (Tied with LOTR)
AOTC= Not so great

Thats just my opinion, I could be wrong


Yeaaah, your dead wrong. Phantom Menace wouldnt even be in the top 100 in my opinion. Lucas SUCKS!!

[Mat]

Originally posted by tman662000
Lucas SUCKS!!

Yes, darn him for making the original trilogy! Darn him for creating Indiana Jones! HE CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT! :rolleyes:

[dr_evil]

Originally posted by Balrog of Moria
TPM = Best movie ever (Tied with LOTR)
AOTC= Not so great

Thats just my opinion, I could be wrong

:funny: you are funny
i wouldnt put TPM in my top 200 LOTR would barely make my top 100
so i will agree with everyone else your opinion is wrong get a new one:D

[tman662000]

Originally posted by Mat
Yes, darn him for making the original trilogy! Darn him for creating Indiana Jones! HE CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT! :rolleyes:

Dont dwell on the past, its his new stuff we should look at. And now, looking at his new stuff, LUCAS SUCKS!!!!!!

[Mat]

Originally posted by tman662000
Dont dwell on the past, its his new stuff we should look at. And now, looking at his new stuff, LUCAS SUCKS!!!!!!

Well, technically, he doesn't have any new stuff. We're coming up on the one year anniversary of AOTC, and he won't have anything new come out until 2005. Plus if you look at the majority of his work, it's good.

THX-1138- For the boys and girls who've actually seen it, it's a pretty good expiremental film. Definately not perfect, but a very good first feature film... ***

American Graffiti- This is classic americana about the 50's. A few stars got their first break in this classic... ****

Star Wars- All I have to say is... wow. :D ****

Lucas doesn't suck...

[Clark Savage Jr]

Have you ever noticed how 99.9% of children when they start puberty, suddenly know more than anyone else, absolutely hate any authority figures, are completely embarrased of thier parents, and no longer look at things logicaly?

Have you ever noticed that they, want to be thier own person, be on thier own, have thier own style, do things thier own way.....as long as it's like every other teenager around them?

Have you ever noticed that children and adults love Star Wars and that the above mentioned people all scream at the top of thier lungs that Lucas sucks, Lucas doesn't know what he is doing, Lucas is only in it for the money (only guys not in anything for the money wear orange robes and live on a mountain top in Tibet), and Lucas has no right to change things in his creation?



Andy Rooney has left the building.

[dr_evil]

Originally posted by Clark Savage Jr
Have you ever noticed how 99.9% of children when they start puberty, suddenly know more than anyone else, absolutely hate any authority figures, are completely embarrased of thier parents, and no longer look at things logicaly?

Have you ever noticed that they, want to be thier own person, be on thier own, have thier own style, do things thier own way.....as long as it's like every other teenager around them?

Have you ever noticed that children and adults love Star Wars and that the above mentioned people all scream at the top of thier lungs that Lucas sucks, Lucas doesn't know what he is doing, Lucas is only in it for the money (only guys not in anything for the money wear orange robes and live on a mountain top in Tibet), and Lucas has no right to change things in his creation?



Andy Rooney has left the building.

the the reason why adults like it so much is because they lived "back-in-the-day" when they first were released and almost everyone loved it and kids like them so much because adults are always trying to show it to their kids to get them to like it

and teenagers dont like it because they get smart they learn that they have their own opinion about things unlike children where their parents make all their choices and not that kids have opinions on movies they like almost everything that isnt too scary

[Mat]

Originally posted by Clark Savage Jr
Have you ever noticed how 99.9% of children when they start puberty, suddenly know more than anyone else, absolutely hate any authority figures, are completely embarrased of thier parents, and no longer look at things logicaly?

Have you ever noticed that they, want to be thier own person, be on thier own, have thier own style, do things thier own way.....as long as it's like every other teenager around them?

Have you ever noticed that children and adults love Star Wars and that the above mentioned people all scream at the top of thier lungs that Lucas sucks, Lucas doesn't know what he is doing, Lucas is only in it for the money (only guys not in anything for the money wear orange robes and live on a mountain top in Tibet), and Lucas has no right to change things in his creation?



Andy Rooney has left the building.

I do indeed see these things. They love to say things that they have never researched or looked it up on their own. They say it because they have seen or hear someone they want to be like say it. I'm sure most of them would mature later, but I wish they'd mature now.

[Jspitalieri]

They can't possibly be all that we have made them out to be. Poor Lucas can't possibly live up to the hype. I really enjoyed AOTC. I think too many people have too many strong opinions about how the movie should be done. The first one could have used some help, but overall they were above average.

[Glordreen]

They suck, beacause Lucas has depended on Computers graphics for everything

[Glordreen]

They are still good but the orginal trilogy was extremely better

[Mat]

Originally posted by Glordreen
They are still good but the orginal trilogy was extremely better

Originally posted by Glordreen
They suck, beacause Lucas has depended on Computers graphics for everything

You've seriously got some conflicting viewpoints.. :p

[evilsquishy]

Originally posted by Mat
You've seriously got some conflicting viewpoints.. :p Schitzophrenic? (sp?)

[Laterose]

maybe....maybe a change of mind?

[Cipher Jo]

I like how on a lot of Laterose's posts, it's just **** commentary

[rhythm]

Originally posted by joe_h
:rolleyes: Quite frankly, your entire post is about the most laughable thing I've ever read. Learn to write.

Secondly, keep your opinions to yourself. I don't think like you, and I disagree with everything you said. Besides, you're opinion is the one in the minority.

Third, I couldn't give a damn what Peter Jackson did. I don't like LOTR. Found the books to be boring, and the films aren't much different. Only a fool would think otherwise. You know it's boring. Stop defending Peter Jackson. See how stupid that sounds.

By the way, it's denial, not denile. Denile is a river in Egypt.

lol....i agree with you on LOTR but the star wars movies really do suck....i'm ashamed that i once was a huge fan..i cant stand watchign the new ones at all..the old ones are good though..


and that denail thing at the end was horrible...

[Jarbacca]

TPM and AOTC, may have dissapointed some (not me though, i loved them) but i can't see EP 3 being a dissapointment to anyone

EP 3 has everything we were told we would get to see in the PT, the first two were little more than and indrodction of the characters and conflicts

EP 3 is gonna rock

[evilsquishy]

Originally posted by Cipher Jo
I like how on a lot of Laterose's posts, it's just **** commentary :rolleyes: Yours aren't any better.

[Mat]

Originally posted by evilsquishy
:rolleyes: Yours aren't any better.

I'm just glad all my posts are brilliant and well thought through. ;)

[evilsquishy]

Originally posted by Mat
I'm just glad all my posts are brilliant and well thought through. ;)
................r..i..g..h..t..!:rolleyes: :D;)

[todd philip]

Originally posted by Mat
I'm just glad all my posts are brilliant and well thought through. ;) BURP

you must be talking about me :D

[CapricornDevil]

Ok, I have to put my two cents in here.

What I REALLY don't understand is why so many people in here are attacking one another's opinions. For God's sake, it's just a movie.

I, for one, don't like Star Wars. Any of them really. It's not for the directing, acting, special effects, or any one of the many reasons people usually spout. My reason is that the story line doesn't appeal to me. If you like/love Star Wars...be my guest. I am not going to say you are wrong, stupid, or anything. Simply, we have different tastes. What is wrong with that? Nothing.

I know that many people are going to be upset with me for not liking Star Wars...and that is just fine. I am sure some of you don't like some of my favorite movies, and I don't mind that at all.

:)

[Mat]

Originally posted by CapricornDevil
Ok, I have to put my two cents in here.

What I REALLY don't understand is why so many people in here are attacking one another's opinions. For God's sake, it's just a movie.

I, for one, don't like Star Wars. Any of them really. It's not for the directing, acting, special effects, or any one of the many reasons people usually spout. My reason is that the story line doesn't appeal to me. If you like/love Star Wars...be my guest. I am not going to say you are wrong, stupid, or anything. Simply, we have different tastes. What is wrong with that? Nothing.

I know that many people are going to be upset with me for not liking Star Wars...and that is just fine. I am sure some of you don't like some of my favorite movies, and I don't mind that at all.

:)

**throws rocks**
How dare you come to the Star Wars forum and say you don't like it. Just watch your back... the fanboy secret police is everywhere! ;)

[evilsquishy]

I have no problem w/ people disliking any of the movies I like as long as they don't come in and stir up trouble by saying "Oh, XYZ movies sucks because blah blah blah" or something like that. If you don't like it, give a valid reason or just stay silent.....

And that was the moral of the day;)

[Alexander JL]

They don't suck. They're just very different in tone from the original trilogy. The ot had a very medieval fairytale thing going for it, this one is... sort of modernized.

[Christaline]

My best friend is a huge SW fan and he thinks AOTC is very good; he says it's better than LOTR or The Matrix. I disagree with him!
But, on the contrary, he really hates TPM...

[jbailey84]

your best friend is wrong. I only liked TPM because of the pod racing and Darth Maul

[tman662000]

Ya, your friend is wrong....I cant see anyone liking the last two Star Wars flicks better than LOTR or Matrix.
With Jar Jar, that awful screenplay and Directing by Lucas, and the special Effects that control the whole movie.........not to mention the acting, which besides Ewan, is crappy (and Portman lookin damn fine)

[Mat]

Originally posted by tman662000
With Jar Jar, that awful screenplay and Directing by Lucas, and the special Effects that control the whole movie.........not to mention the acting, which besides Ewan, is crappy (and Portman lookin damn fine)

What is it with everyone disliking Lucas's direction. Nobody can come up with a valid point for disliking it. I still say it's pretty damn good.

[evilsquishy]

I've seen better is all I'm saying.

[Mat]

Originally posted by evilsquishy
I've seen better is all I'm saying.

Sure, I've seen a hundred movies with better directing. I've also seen a hundred films with worse directing. I'm not saying Lucas is the god of directing. He's just a good one. Now writing is another matter...

[evilsquishy]

Overall, I'd give him a "meh".
Tim Burton on the other hand.....:D

[Mat]

Planet of the Apes Tim Burton?

;)

[Horace Jenkins]

Okay, I've asked myself that question alot... and now I think I have the three main reasons... here we go:

Too much marketing agenda
Too many models trying to act
Too much excuse to use pricey CGI

There ya go... Horace's opinion on why the new Star Wars films suck.

[Jarbacca]

i only feel that GL used to much CGi and blue screen on AOTC, TPM had its share of CGi effects, but they didn't look fake like in aotc ( i mean the geonosis battle was cool, but it looked like a video game)

i watched TPM the other day, and i was surprised at how many scenes looked like the ones from the OT, AOTC on the other hand looks radically different from the other four films

lets hope EP 3 has more location shooting, and less sound stage with a blue screen drop behind it

[evilsquishy]

Originally posted by Mat
Planet of the Apes Tim Burton?

;)
Okay, so he made a not so good movie. But w/ all the other ones he made, I think it makes up for it. And I don't think the Trilogy does that for Lucas.;)

[jbailey84]

i thought his version of Planet of the Apes was great, but thats my opinion

[evilsquishy]

Personally, I didn't think it was bad either, but everyone else hates it so I won't argue.......

[tman662000]

PLANET OF THE APES was baaaaaad, but the new Star Wars flicks were even worse. I'd take Burton over Lucas anyday of the week.

[JAE]

Here's my take. the OT had older actors that had a relationship with GL, ie Harrison Ford. He told GL once that, "Hey George, you can write this crap, but you sure as hell can't say it!" (Empire Building) So even then GL's dialoge was pretty bad, BUT these actors would expand and improvise where they felt they should. Some of the most memorable lines in the OT were NOT SCRIPTED!

With the younger actors in the prequels, they don't know what is good and what should be changed. OR have the balls to say to GL what Harrision Ford did.

As far as the stories, the prequels are great. The directing is OK. The delivery of the dialoge from Natalie and Hayden, awful. If you had older actors that would stand up to the director and say, "You can write this but you sure as hell can't say it!", some scenes would have been easier on the ears....

[Kris Hodgson]

Originally posted by JAE
Here's my take. the OT had older actors that had a relationship with GL, ie Harrison Ford. He told GL once that, "Hey George, you can write this crap, but you sure as hell can't say it!" (Empire Building) So even then GL's dialoge was pretty bad, BUT these actors would expand and improvise where they felt they should. Some of the most memorable lines in the OT were NOT SCRIPTED!

With the younger actors in the prequels, they don't know what is good and what should be changed. OR have the balls to say to GL what Harrision Ford did.

As far as the stories, the prequels are great. The directing is OK. The delivery of the dialoge from Natalie and Hayden, awful. If you had older actors that would stand up to the director and say, "You can write this but you sure as hell can't say it!", some scenes would have been easier on the ears....

I think you're right. Back then GL was a reletive nobody. He made a few movies that weren't recieved all that well, and of course American Graffiti, but now, he is viewed as a genius and should therefore NOT be contradicted. Nobody stands up to him. GL should quit being so vain and let a PROFESSIONAL screenwriter do the actual writing.
That being said, I just want to point out that I love the new trilogy.

[evilsquishy]

^ ^ You had me until the last part.....;)

[Mat]

I think everybody's scared of the man. Like I've said before, he now has that vast empire of secret police. You can stand up to him about as much as you can back talk Don Corelone. Qui-Gon Jinn was orignally going to be a larger part of the PT, but Neeson had some conflicts about the script and look what happened to him.

[tedward]

Here's my take. the OT had older actors that had a relationship with GL, ie Harrison Ford. He told GL once that,

Who was Harrison Ford before Star Wars? Ewan McGreggor, Portman, Samuel L Jackson etc are hardly lightweights but I take your point. Maybe its GL and the Star Wars Myth is now bigger than any actor.

For the record I enjoyed episodes 1 and 2 and I didnt even think jar jar binks was half as anoying as everyone was making out either.

[evilsquishy]

Originally posted by tedward
For the record I enjoyed episodes 1 and 2 and I didnt even think jar jar binks was half as anoying as everyone was making out either. If I only had your patience........;)

[todd philip]

Originally posted by tedward


For the record I enjoyed episodes 1 and 2 and I didnt even think jar jar binks was half as anoying as everyone was making out either. i agree, he really aint that bad!!! :rolleyes:

[JAE]

I didn't mind him either. You need that element. And you know what, my little brother who is 9, loved him. Thats exactly what GL set out to do. He has said many times that these films are supossed to be enjoyed by kids. Hell, I was 4 or 5 when I saw ANH and look at me now.....:D

[evilsquishy]

Originally posted by todd philip
i agree, he really aint that bad!!! :rolleyes:
Funny how annoying people can stand other annoying people isn't it?;)

[Megaman]

they dont suck

[evilsquishy]

*That's what we're debating, so reasons would be appreciated*;)

[salacious wuher]

episode 1 sucked but I gotta admit the podrace scene was pretty cool(Clerks Uncensored...recognize!). episode 2 was ok until I saw the "Whoda man? Yodaman!" commercial.

[Mat]

Originally posted by salacious wuher
episode 1 sucked but I gotta admit the podrace scene was pretty cool(Clerks Uncensored...recognize!). episode 2 was ok until I saw the "Whoda man? Yodaman!" commercial.

I hated that comercial too.

Nice screen name. The monkey creature from ROTJ and the bartender from ANH are an interesting combonation

[Stands Alone]

You know why they suck? Well, the reason is, George Lucas is not getting any of the ORIGNAL screenplay writers to write them. I hope the last one gets written by the guy who did ESB. He does a nice screenplay. Also, another thing which makes it suck, is George Lucas wants to go CGI overboard. I can see if it was just regular filming, but too much CGI is a problem for me... :mad: :evil:

[evilsquishy]

Actually too much special effects and action=overwhelming.
Too little special effects/action=boring.

[necronon99]

I want episode three


one and two were ok at best

Part One-Maul saber fight, Pod Race
Part 2- Final Showdown is holy **** cool

[Laterose]

Originally posted by Stands Alone
You know why they suck? Well, the reason is, George Lucas is not getting any of the ORIGNAL screenplay writers to write them. I hope the last one gets written by the guy who did ESB. He does a nice screenplay. Also, another thing which makes it suck, is George Lucas wants to go CGI overboard. I can see if it was just regular filming, but too much CGI is a problem for me... :mad: :evil:
:applaud: well said.

[sonjablue]

One answer, no Harrison Ford.

[Mat]

Originally posted by Stands Alone
You know why they suck? Well, the reason is, George Lucas is not getting any of the ORIGNAL screenplay writers to write them. I hope the last one gets written by the guy who did ESB. He does a nice screenplay. :mad: :evil:

Well, Leigh Brackett is dead. The Empire Strikes Back was her last screenplay. Of course, she also wrote classics like The Big Sleep(1946), Hatari!, and El Dorado.

Lawrence Kasdan seems to be a bit rusty in his writing skills. After seeing the pitiful Dreamcatcher (which he co-wrote) it seems as though he needs some practice.

Like it or not George is writing (already wrote) the film.

[Hairy Porkchops]

One reason they fail, in my opinion, is that they almost seem to take themselves too seriously. The first trilogy was just purely fun... really, it was not as deep as people made it out to be. A New Hope was basically a modern retelling of the the old "Save the princess from the evil wizard" tale. But now with the new Star Wars films, we're not watching "swashbuckling action," but rather political intrique, sentorial debates, and a love story so pathetically told, it makes "Titanic" look profound. A large portion in the middle of Episode 2 had so little action, I actually found myself drifting to sleep while my friend was more interested in reading his Coke can than watching what was happening on screen.

Another problem is that there are no characters I care about. I know Episode 3 is supposed to be depressing because we'll see the good guys being killed, but honestly, who gives a darn? It's a sad fact that R2D2 is a better actor in that movie than Nat Portman (sorry, Nat, it's probably not your fault since you WERE good in other things.) I don't even particularly like Obi-Wan. He's just condescending and patronizing, and NONE of the characters come across even half as human as Han Solo.

Finally (and yes, I know this is getting long-winded), WHY couldn't Lucas create a half-way convincing love story between Anakin and Padme? He managed it with Han and Leia, and he didn't even need to slow down the action. But what does Padme see in Anakin? He's self-obsessed and whining, and yet she suddenly falls for him upon hearing that he slaughtered a village because he was pissed off.

[Alexander JL]

Originally posted by salacious wuher
episode 1 sucked but I gotta admit the podrace scene was pretty cool(Clerks Uncensored...recognize!). episode 2 was ok until I saw the "Whoda man? Yodaman!" commercial.

Hehe, I thought just the opposite for Episode 1... I thought it was pretty cool, but found myself drifting at the podrace scene, myself not being too much of a race fan...

[fes]

The new movies are ****e. Lucas needs to ask himself a question: "Why was Empire the best movie?" he'll find his answer right away - because he didn't write it. The first 3 were good films, Phantom menace is the 2nd worse film i've seen - second to A.I - and AOTC was a pile of ****, there were far too many effects - he could have built a few sets. I watched the making of documentry and was horrified by the amount of blue that I saw - All it really was, was Natalie Portman & Hayden Christensen running around on a blue-conveyer belt.

The final film will be **** aswell. Lucas should listen to his fans. Yes it's his vision - the story is pretty great - but he needs a lot of tips on what to do with it. I don't want to see Anakin vs Obi Wan, I wanna see them fighting side by side, Anakin falls into the infamous Volcano, drags Dooku in - Obi-wan thinks Anakin dies but he is saved by Sidious, the viewer doesn't see who Sidious saves - audience sure it was Dooku.

[Mat]

Originally posted by fes
The new movies are ****e. Lucas needs to ask himself a question: "Why was Empire the best movie?" he'll find his answer right away - because he didn't write it. The first 3 were good films, Phantom menace is the 2nd worse film i've seen - second to A.I - and AOTC was a pile of ****, there were far too many effects - he could have built a few sets. I watched the making of documentry and was horrified by the amount of blue that I saw - All it really was, was Natalie Portman & Hayden Christensen running around on a blue-conveyer belt.

The final film will be **** aswell. Lucas should listen to his fans. Yes it's his vision - the story is pretty great - but he needs a lot of tips on what to do with it. I don't want to see Anakin vs Obi Wan, I wanna see them fighting side by side, Anakin falls into the infamous Volcano, drags Dooku in - Obi-wan thinks Anakin dies but he is saved by Sidious, the viewer doesn't see who Sidious saves - audience sure it was Dooku.

For one thing, if you think TPM and AI are the worse movies of all time, you haven't seen many movies. Another thing, Natalie Portman and Hayden Christensen are more horrifying than the blue screen. It would have been pretty hard to make that scene without blue screen. Plus Anakin must fight Obi-Wan. I will severely mad if they don't. The audience already knows Anakin's going to the darkside, why hide it?

[Clark Savage Jr]

If you didn't know that they had blue screened everything until you saw the making of section....then he must have done something right.

[ehinds]

WHY couldn't Lucas create a half-way convincing love story between Anakin and Padme?

The "love story" was definetly the thing which bothered me the most in Ep. 2. If a guy pulled that "I don't like sand" line on me, I really wouldn't be able to look at him with a straight face.

[Laterose]

Originally posted by fes
The new movies are ****e. Lucas needs to ask himself a question: "Why was Empire the best movie?" he'll find his answer right away - because he didn't write it.
:applaud: I agreed entirely

[Jarbacca]

actually lucas did write ESB, he didn't direct it, but he is credited as writing it, and producing it

[jorich]

I think one of the biggest reasons the new movies are "inadequate" is because GL didn't start to conceptualize them until 20 years after the original trilogy. The change in pop culture between 1980 and 2000 influenced him far too much, leading up to the "no personality" TPM and AOTC. He fell into the trap of valuing visual stimuli over content. It would have been nice to see how TPM and AOTC would have turned out had they been produced in the mid 80s instead.

The blue screen is like kryptonite to some actors. I can't claim to have seen Hayden Christensen in many other movies, but Ewan McGregor and Natalie Portman are usually 2 very solid actors. McGregor probably does the "best" out of anybody in front of the blue screen, but Portman is plain awful.

The other thing I realize after watching all the bonus content on the TPM and AOTC DVDs is that GL would be a friggin' nigthmare for a boss. Talk about a control freak! In every aspect of the movie, he was shown to have the final say. Sure, kudos to him for coming up with the SW universe, but I hope he at least is open to someone else giving input. Senility is a trademark of old age and its reflecting on the screen.

Amazing that a thread like this can go on for so long. There are obviously many SW fans who have come to grips with the fact that these new movies just don't cut it...

[Jarbacca]

yeah, the new films do lack that certain quality of the OT, but i blame it on the fact that Lucas has to tell one movie over the course of 3

you see everything the prequels set out to do, in fact all we want to see happen, will happen in the last episode

the first 2 were basically to introduce the characters, and as you can see lucas had to stretch introductions over 4 hrs of film, which any director would have a hard time doing

you see lucas was screwed either way, he could either fill the first 2 films with boring introductions and rely on SFX stunts to fill the gaps (which he did), or he could introduce other stories and conflicts and then abandon them for ep 3 and start telling the real story

the only other thing lucas could have done would be to start episode 1 with anakin already a teenager and already in training, but then we would lose the affect of seeing vader as a young boy torn from his mother

basically what i'm saying is that i'm not gonna call the prequels a failure, untill i see ep 3, because i truly believe that ep 3 will not fail, and if it does... then i'll admit lucas has lost it

[jbailey84]

lets hope that ep 3 does not suck

[Jarbacca]

i doubt it will, there is so much story to tell that there will be no time for boring moments

also i think lucas might consider cutting back on the CGI (remember he was scouting locations for a real volcano, which he could easily create with CGI, but maybe he wants real locations this time?)

[Apollo]

I personally think there isn't much difference in dialogue quality between the original trilogy and the first two episodes - and that's the problem. The dialogue that Star Wars was able to get away with decades ago isn't going to wash now...particularly when these movies are essentially designed to answer all the questions people had in the original trilogy.

VLN

[Jarbacca]

yeah, the dialogue is kind of cheesy, and i think its because lucas, while being a great director and a great visionary, but he is not a great writter

SW and ESB were so great because lawrence kasdan wrote most of them, however he left for ROTJ and thats were the dialouge started to become cheesy

[morpheus1987]

Jarbacca's right. I think the only way to fix it is for lucas to make a call to his good pal spielberg

[Jarbacca]

i agree that lucas should step down from the directors chair for ep 3

you see when lucas is not directing he is much more involved with everything else

as you can see with ep 1 and ep 2, lucas was spread to thin, he wanted to be in control of every aspect and also direct, and to this the fact that lucas will also be involved with indy 4 during ep 3 production,

i think he should let someone else dircet, perhaps bring back irv kirschner

[SamuraiiSam]

After watching Reloaded it made me realize how great a film Clones was. It was a great story with great characters and quite "entertaining". Everything Reloaded lacked.

[Jarbacca]

i haven't seen reloaded yet

[morpheus1987]

reloaded was way better than clones

[fes]

Originally posted by Mat
For one thing, if you think TPM and AI are the worse movies of all time, you haven't seen many movies.

I've seen a lot of movies - believe me - it's just that I haven't seen many crap movies. Maybe you could point me in the direction of the worst movie you've seen?

I forgot to mention Pearl Harbour in my little list. Why was Jeniffer Garner in that movie? It sucks and blows.

[fes]

Originally posted by morpheus1987
Jarbacca's right. I think the only way to fix it is for lucas to make a call to his good pal spielberg

Or maybe a call to Darren Aronofsky or Chris Cunnigham, maybe even Andy & Larry Wachowski. They'd bring a much fresher, and a much darker image to Star Wars - which would make Episode 3 a hell of lot better than it's gonna be.

[fes]

Sorry to post again but i have an answer to this...

Originally posted by Mat
The audience already knows Anakin's going to the darkside, why hide it?

So future generations who watch it in the correct order - 1 through to 6 - won't have the twist revealed to them prematurely. Yes everyone who goes to see it when it comes out at the cinema will know Anakin goes to the dark side, but why should that be ruined for people who don't already know it?

[redman]

Damn George Lucas!

I can't believe after all this time he could wreck the one trilogy that had the potential to better than the original. I have been an avid Star Wars fan for a long time and after TPM I could have forgiven Lucas for a relatively boring movie, but after watching AOTC a few times I realised that there has been no emphasis put on the script and all the time has been put into the effects. Jonathon Hales was the worst thing that could have happened to Star Wars because the script in eps 4,5 and 6 were so entertaining and the characters were so likeable but with the new trilogy I'm fnding it hard to really like any of the characters because the script just isnt up to scratch. The script and story are the life blood of a movie not the effects and if lucas doesnt realise that then episode 3 will not live up to expectations when in fact it should be the best of them all.

[sniktawt]

Originally posted by fes
Or maybe a call to Darren Aronofsky or Chris Cunnigham, maybe even Andy & Larry Wachowski. They'd bring a much fresher, and a much darker image to Star Wars The Wachowski Brothers would piss off more fans than Lucas.They'd have Yoda doing their famous and waaaaay overused slo-mo fight scene in mid-air.That would be lame.Just Let Lucas finish his vanity piece , then he'll be a happy man forever.He knows you're gonna see it so why should he worry if it's good or not?

[fes]

Originally posted by Jarbacca
actually lucas did write ESB, he didn't direct it, but he is credited as writing it, and producing it

Thats cos he wrote the original star wars story. He didn't have anything to do with the actual dialogue for Empire plus he didn't direct it. Basically Kasdan was the reason why Empire is the best film, but he's gotten really bad recently - one word, Dreamcatcher.

[sniktawt]

Originally posted by fes
Thats cos he wrote the original star wars story. He didn't have anything to do with the actual dialogue for Empire plus he didn't direct it. Basically Kasdan was the reason why Empire is the best film, but he's gotten really bad recently - one word, Dreamcatcher. Yeah Dreamcatcher sucked big time.

[Mat]

Originally posted by fes
I've seen a lot of movies - believe me - it's just that I haven't seen many crap movies. Maybe you could point me in the direction of the worst movie you've seen?

My least favorite movie is probably... hmmm... either More American Grafitti or Santa with Muscles.

So future generations who watch it in the correct order - 1 through to 6 - won't have the twist revealed to them prematurely. Yes everyone who goes to see it when it comes out at the cinema will know Anakin goes to the dark side, but why should that be ruined for people who don't already know it?

When my kids get old enough, they'll watch the complete SW saga in the order of release. For one thing, I don't want the mystery of the Force to get trampled down from that scientific talk in TPM. If they want to expierience the true mystery and beauty of star wars, they should start with ANH. Any other movie goers of the future can follow my advice or not, but I want to see the big DV in Ep3.

[tman662000]

I will tell you why the Star Wars movies suck.
Ol' George Lucas takes advantage of how far technology has come. This Original Trilogy used SFX only when they had to, because it wasnt a sure thing that it would look good.
Now, Lucas has gone too far with Effects and spends the entire budget of the films on those computers. Lets say a small scene takes place in a sandy area, like when Amidala falls from the ship in AOTC when they are chasing that old dude. Its about a 30 second scene, and of course instead of Lucas actually going to the actual location he needs..."Lets just shoot this behind blue screen and get it over with and move on"
BIG MISTAKE LUCAS. You just ruined the most famous trilogy is the history of movies, and now you can go back to that sink hole you've been hiding in for 20 years.
Those are my two cents.......thanks.

[fes]

Originally posted by Mat
My least favorite movie is probably... hmmm... either More American Grafitti or Santa with Muscles.


I'll be sure to check them out! Should be good. Ever seen "The Christmas martian"?

[D-fence]

Everybody who doesn't like the PT: lets just FORGET about them! Lets never watch them again, and instead focus on the love we have for the TRUE Star Wars films!

The beautiful sets
The loveable characters
The dialog
The space battles
Han and Leia's PERFECT love story
Luke journey to find his destiny
Vader's redemption
etc.
etc..
etc...

Perfect entertainment!

When I saw a unconvincing CGI character stepping in *****, when I saw a certain little boy yell "Yippeeeee!", When I heard a slightly older boy telling his stiff acting love something horribly written about 'the sand on his homeworld'..... this trilogy simply stopped being Star Wars for me.
Sure, they exist, but they are NOT part of the Star Wars saga for me anymore, no matter how hard Lucas tries it to be. Anakins past lives now only in my mind, and let me tell you: Now that it's shrouded in secrecy again, I like it allot better! Now that I've decided that the PT doesn't exist for me, and I STILL don't know what happened to Luke's father, I can sleep again... and dream.

TPM & AOTC are NOT Star Wars for me.
That's all I have to say about it.

[kimythegirl]

Sorry to hear that D-fence.

I love the new movies! They just need to be given a chance thats all. There not better then the original, yet! Give them time. :)

[Tim37ninjageniu]

I HATE THE NEW MOVIES!!!!!!!!!!

THERE IS ONLY ONE GOOD THING ABOUT THEM AND THAT IS THAT
<B>NATALIE PORTMAN IS SO FREAKIN HOT!!!!!!!!!!!</B>

other than that they suck. George lucas'S would take a simple scene and change it so that most of the scenes are 95% digital or more. YODA LOOKED MORE REAL AS A PUPPET! WTF happened to building models and sets?

I HOPE MR LUCAS RANCH BURNS DOWN AND HE SPENDS ALL HIS MONEY TRYING TO BUILD IT AGAIN DIGITALLY BUT CANT!!!!
ITS WHAT HE dEsERVES MR. CRAPPY McRUINMOVIES

[kimythegirl]

wow, I'm glad I love them! Sorry you’re so disappointed though, maybe you will have better luck with another movie franchise!

:D

[downflow311]

the Star Wars prequels might go down in film history as the most disappointing films ever made. lucas is losing some of his fan base because of it i think.

phantom menace- 450 mil
attack of the clones- 300 mil

people were so disappointed with the phantom menace especially. face it star wars geeks, your new movies suck bad. im not a fan of any franchise, i just like movies period. i loved the original star wars' though. you could tell by the story that lucas was aiming for young adults with the script. now hes aiming at kids. phantom menace was like watching a disney movie. and the attack of the clones was way too slow to even say its a decent movie. the last 30 mins did kick ass though. i always just fast forward the movie to the last 30 mins.

[downflow311]

and he definitely cast the wrong person to play annakin. that hayden christiansen cant act worth a ****.

[spiderman_2k]

Nor could the little brat in the 1st one.

[kimythegirl]

Dang guys, we got your opinion.. lay off!!! ;)

[fes]

The little brats best film is "jingle all the way"

Which is also Arnies 5th best... but the little brat is the worst star wars actor, that was the point of this post.

[kimythegirl]

I mean I have to agree, I didn't much appreciate that kid either. But I really think Hayden did a wonderful job and will do so in E3.

[downflow311]

Originally posted by kimythegirl
I mean I have to agree, I didn't much appreciate that kid either. But I really think Hayden did a wonderful job and will do so in E3.

Were you watching the same movie as everyone else????

[Jarbacca]

its not the actors fault, i mean both natalie and ewan are good actors, but come off stiff in ep 1 and 2

the fault lies with lucas, who needs to admit (like almost every action director) he can't write dialog

he needs to hire someone, not to help him, but to do the entire script (and not johnothan hales, that guy is such an idiot who did absolutey nothing for EP 2, he's the rick mcCallum of the script writers world :))

[Tim37ninjageniu]

I actually agree with kimmy

i didnt think hayden was that bad i though he was pretty good

and i did NOT like ep 2

[kimythegirl]

Originally posted by downflow311
Were you watching the same movie as everyone else????

:confused: No GL personaly let me, Tim37ninjageniu
and Jarbacca view a copy of the real 'Attack Of The Clones' since we are such good friends of GL's and all. What you saw was just the sucky version that only the uncool people saw. ...:D

[Jarbacca]

Originally posted by kimythegirl
:confused: No GL personaly let me, Tim37ninjageniu
and Jarbacca view a copy of the real 'Attack Of The Clones' since we are such good friends of GL's and all. What you saw was just the sucky version that only the uncool people saw. ...:D

yeah that was a fun day when GL invited the three of us to the ranch for the special viewing

he gave us a tour and everything (did you know he keeps the real yoda locked up in a cage in his basement):D

[kimythegirl]

:lol:

Yeah I remember that! Yoda was crying and asking use to help him escape and then I asked Jarbacca to take a picture of me poking Yoda with a stick!! ......Oh what a great day that was! :D

[Jarbacca]

it was a fun day, wasn't it :D

[kimythegirl]

Yeah! It ruled...:D

I still have the stick stained with Yoda's blood on it from poking him. I'm thinking about posting it on Ebay.. hehehe ;)

[Balrog of Moria]

How much...Ill buy now

[kimythegirl]

Step right up everyone, the auction has began....!!

Up for bid tonight is one wooden stick with a sharp point coated in Yoda Blood! This stick also comes with a certificate of authenticity, 'forcefully signed' by Yoda himself!

Starting bid is 500.00 dollars! Do I hear 550.00?

[kimythegirl]

:twisted: hehehehe

[Balrog of Moria]

Whatever you want its yours

MUST HAVE

[kimythegirl]

ummm.. I think I will keep the stick after all... I hear if you lick Yoda blood then you will become a Jedi!! ...hehehe :p

[Balrog of Moria]

No fair...Get my hopes up then crush em like a bug

[kimythegirl]

hahahaha....sorry Balrog of Moria but becoming a Sithh...um I mean Jedi, 'ya, thats the ticket,' was just to tempting! ;)

[Balrog of Moria]

Can you at least share a drip or two,,,ive been working on the Jedi Mantra

[kimythegirl]

Next time we all go to the Ranch we will bring you along Balrog of Moria so you can poke Yoda and get your own Blood Stick! ... That is if Yoda is still alive.. I kinda poked him pretty hard last time.. :(
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[Jarbacca]

yeah, i mean he cried like a girl after the last poke:D

[Balrog of Moria]

Sure ill come...Ill bring my special pokin stick...

*Evil Laugh*

[kimythegirl]

:lol:

"Hurt me this does, bad people you are." :waa: (In the words of Yoda)

[Balrog of Moria]

Poor little guy

*poke poke poke*

[kimythegirl]

hehehe... I think we hijacked the hell out of this thread. People are going to be reading this and be like...WTF???
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[Balrog of Moria]

Ohh well it was fun...Im hoppin off...Hijack again tommorow night?

[kimythegirl]

You bet!! See ya! ;)

[Balrog of Moria]

Have fun

[George Bushs 18th cousin]

Lucas is a bad director/Screen writer. That's why. He comes up with brilliant ideas but doesn't know how to put then on screen properly. He has no talent for writing dialogue. He has no talent for displaying character emotion. He has no talent for making humorous scenes. So he hides behind CGI, cliched scenes (Rolling in a bed of flowers...comeon) and his coreographers (the fight scenes are the only things he has goin for him).

I understand that it is his vision, but if Lucas wanted his vision to be as brilliant as it could be, he should've hired someone to direct the prequels and write them. He could've done a plot outline and let someone else write the script under his supervision and there in lies Georgie-boy's real and biggest problem...he is a control freak. He refuses to accept anyone elses opinion so he surrounds himself with yes men like Rick MacCallum. Hell, he even denied there was a negative response to episode I and insisted that despite all the critisizism that people loved it. He is a control freak who refuses to accept he is wrong. That is the problem.

So in short, to answer your question...the problem is George Lucas and his stubborness

[kimythegirl]

Originally posted by George Bushs 18th cousin
Lucas is a bad director/Screen writer. That's why. He comes up with brilliant ideas but doesn't know how to put then on screen properly. He has no talent for writing dialogue. He has no talent for displaying character emotion. He has no talent for making humorous scenes. So he hides behind CGI, cliched scenes (Rolling in a bed of flowers...comeon) and his coreographers (the fight scenes are the only things he has goin for him).

I understand that it is his vision, but if Lucas wanted his vision to be as brilliant as it could be, he should've hired someone to direct the prequels and write them. He could've done a plot outline and let someone else write the script under his supervision and there in lies Georgie-boy's real and biggest problem...he is a control freak. He refuses to accept anyone elses opinion so he surrounds himself with yes men like Rick MacCallum. Hell, he even denied there was a negative response to episode I and insisted that despite all the critisizism that people loved it. He is a control freak who refuses to accept he is wrong. That is the problem.

So in short, to answer your question...the problem is George Lucas and his stubborness




Wow, thanks for the insite. I see it all so clearly now. :rolleyes:

[Balrog of Moria]

Does that mean we're not goin after The Ranch

[kimythegirl]

Sure we are going to the Ranch, to take over Lucas and his empire and make our own E3 For the fans!! Don't tell anyone our plans though, ok ;)

:p

[Balrog of Moria]

Ill keep it secret if you can

[tman662000]

The star wars movies suck because George Lucas is a dork with a fairy view on life. He thinks he can just stick crap on the screen and excpect millions of dollars to poor in. While he may have the money, he looses any respect anyone had for him.
Get a life Lucas, and dont waste our time with this.....

[kimythegirl]

Hmmm.. Thanks for your opinion. Maybe you should make something better in the future?

[FrankTheBunny]

Many people think they could've done something better, but honestly, I doubt most people could put in the effort that Lucas does in each film.

[kimythegirl]

I agree! Until tman662000 makes something equivalent or something better then he should at least respect an artist. You might not like his painting but you have to respect his time and determination he went threw to bring something to life that he can share wih the world. :)

[FrankTheBunny]

Exactly. Whether you do or don't like the PT, you have to respect Lucas as an artist who is giving up 3 years of his time to give US something to enjoy. Produce something better, then your opinion I'll tolerate.

[kimythegirl]

Good post FrankTheBunny.......
http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung/sehrgrosse/large-smiley-049.gif

[awakened]

holy cow a talking star:shock:

[tman662000]

Originally posted by FrankTheBunny
Produce something better, then your opinion I'll tolerate.

I think I just might make something better.....I could film paint drying and would have a better film than the new Star Wars films. How could a man make classics like the originals, and P.O.S like the new ones. Boggles the mind..my mind.

[kimythegirl]

So your saying that paint drying on a wall would be better to you.

Why should we value your opinion on the subject if your idea of a master piece consists of the drying of paint..???

[Balrog of Moria]

This has gotten pathetic

[Miasma]

Originally posted by FrankTheBunny
you have to respect Lucas as an artist who is giving up 3 years of his time to give US something to enjoy. .

Whoa!! That's awfully nice of him. Where I do pick up the free tickets that he's giving us?

What d'ya mean " No free tickets"?! We have to pay?? Jeez... you'd think this guy was doing it for money and not out of the kindness of his heart. Oh well.

[freakyplatypus]

THE NEW MOVIES suck

[downflow311]

im not a fan of any "epic" movie series, but a fan of good acting. hayden christiansen can NOT act. i laughed at him because it was so bad. these movies are going to ruin ewan macgregor's good name. natalie portman can act, especially in that wal-mart movie she did. but she's terrible in star wars.

[downflow311]

the only good new character so far- darth maul. what a mistake lucas made with killing him off.

[George Bushs 18th cousin]

Originally posted by downflow311
the only good new character so far- darth maul. what a mistake lucas made with killing him off.

Hardly. HE wasn't even evil, all he did was stand there and poste for the camera. His only alleged "evil" act was killing Qui Gon Jinn and it wasn't that evil because it was a fair fight. And Lucas could've soooooo easily made DArth Maul evil. Just add a couple scenes...like isntead of sending a probe droid to do his dirty work in Mos Espa...he could've done it himself...it would've been awesome to see him torturing Watto into revealing the location of Qui GOn Jinn. instead all he did was stand there and cross his arms.

Qui Gon Jinn was the only good character to come out of the prequels.

[jbailey84]

i think the reason why we like Darth Maul soo much was he looked like a bad-ass and he had a double bladed light saber.

[G-Matrix]

I agree with u guys the mistery behind darth maul made a him a cool character similar but inferior to the ttruly lord of the Sith Darth Vader, I also like Mace windu and Jango, and in a minor way Dooku. I also the new movies suck in my opinion coz' they are just too "childish" no that's what I wanna say they 're like "happier" I'm truly expecting the 3er coz' lucas said it's the darker

[Laterose]

Originally posted by downflow311
im not a fan of any "epic" movie series, but a fan of good acting. hayden christiansen can NOT act. i laughed at him because it was so bad. these movies are going to ruin ewan macgregor's good name. natalie portman can act, especially in that wal-mart movie she did. but she's terrible in star wars.
Agreed. Horrible acting, extremely fake CGI and dumb plot lines.

[Alexander JL]

Originally posted by Mat
Leia mentions her in ROTK.

Leia is in ROTK?

FYI: Mat's quote is from the thread 'Should've left it alone in 1983', but I had to post my response here since the mods closed that thread.

I personally took the new Star Wars movies as seperate movies. I tried my best not to compare the two, since they are very stylistically different from each other, and while one focused on a medieval-cum-cowboy movie set in a fantastical sci-fi world, the present took its predecessor's views to the max and now brings us instead jedis, not medieval knights nor cowboys.
Having said that, I found Jar Jar Binks to be not as bad as everyone makes him out to be, and the only reason I can find for his reputation is the fact that he is the only comic relief character in a world otherwise dominated by very serious individuals who only exude a glimmer of comedic talent every so often. The only major problem I found (so far) in the 'new' trilogy is the lack of a single, ominous figure that looms over our protagonists, just out of reach, yet as tangible and threatening as they come. True, you may argue that Darth Sidious fills that role, but in my opinion, he just hasn't done anything to strike me as being truly menacing. All he does is bark commands while never actually doing anything himself. Take Darth Vader for example. He was mean, and he wasn't afraid to show it. His presence loomed in the hearts of movie goers for decades, and is hardly overshadowed by any threats this trilogy has presented.
Darth Maul did have enormous potential to fill the Darth Vader role, but... we all know his fate.
Well, that's my two cents worth.

[Alexander JL]

Originally posted by downflow311
im not a fan of any "epic" movie series, but a fan of good acting. hayden christiansen can NOT act. i laughed at him because it was so bad. these movies are going to ruin ewan macgregor's good name. natalie portman can act, especially in that wal-mart movie she did. but she's terrible in star wars.

The OT wasn't known for its acting either...

[redman]

yeah but the OT had an awesome story and script behind it, the prequel trilogy has a terrible script and is shot in front of blue screen, so there's no opportunity to act.

By the way hayden christensen is a good actor, its just that the AOTC script was crap and very corny.

[A35]

I've seen Hayden in other projects (LAAH, the theater he did in London a couple years ago, and the series he used to do on the old Fox Family channel), and i have to say that he was MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better in those other projects, than he was in Star Wars. Hayden is more of a dramatic actor, and does a really good job at it. I've seen several professional critics who've basically said the same thing.

With that said, I am convinced more than ever, that the horrible script and bad directing really did this guy in. I think he really did put effort into this movie, which was evident when he nailed the Taootine scenes (Anakin dealing with his mother's death, killing the sand people out of anger and grief, etc.), the only scenes I really felt he did a good job. But, with some of the AWFUL lines he was given, which was the worst in the entire movie, along with the disasterous love story, I think it severely hindered his performance.

I think Lucas seriously needs to consider letting someone else, like Steven Spieldberg, direct Episode III. I think E III is going to have to be REALLY good all around, to redeem the Prequel Trilogy, somewhat. I don't think Lucas can afford another disasterous film, as he had with TPM and AOTC.

[Alexander JL]

We all wish that. Unfortunately it ain't gonna happen.

[el whip]

if you don't like the new trilogy then don't go and spend your time, life, gas and money on it. There is million of us that love the new films as much as the old ones. Want to see good acting and good script then wait for the movies that are "made" only to win oscars nominations.
Nothing wrong with movies like the Matrix and XMen, but most of this new movies are all about "big car chase" scenes and who spend more money in exploding buildings and how much money the stars of the film get. And as you can see people get tired of this and want something new and fresh. example of this is how bad Charlies Angels and T3 are doing at the boxoffice and look at how good Pirates of the Caribbean and yup that´s right legally blonde 2 are doing. People get tired of the same thing over and over again. I know when i go to a Star Wars movie that im gonna see great lightsaber fights, great special FXs, the ocasional space battle or speeder chase, sure the new trilogy is different from the original, there are too many things going on for the usual big-boxoffice movie. IMO the new trilogy would be better apreciated in the future, just the classic trilogy.

[spiderman_2k]

T3 has done well at the box office... :rolleyes:

[el whip]

for a 170 million movie well is simply not good enough

[spiderman_2k]

Its total at the weekend was £111.8 Million, that is just America it is yet to be released in the UK yet...All in all it will easily over-take the costs it took to made...
U also said LB2 was doing good...all together it has taken $65.3 Million.....

[A35]

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
Its total at the weekend was £111.8 Million, that is just America it is yet to be released in the UK yet...All in all it will easily over-take the costs it took to made...
U also said LB2 was doing good...all together it has taken $65.3 Million.....

Actually, T3's total is around $112.8 Million, and its only been out for two weeks. Not to mention, the movie has already made $27.5 million in other countries, bringing its overall worldwide total to nearly $140 million. I think T3 will easily top $170 million, by the end of the month, given the fact that the movie will soon open in the UK.

[el whip]

i have not said that T3 is complete failure, but its not making its money as fast as it was supposed to be. T3 should have topped the 100 million mark in 4 days not 10. when T2 came out people kept going to the see it over and over again, thats not the case in T3. im gonna see it when it finally opens over here, but i don't know, it just doesn't look as cool and unique as the first 2 films.

Lets hope they learned their lesson and stop the Terminator films with this one or if they decide to make a 4th part MAKE IT CHEAPER!!! they could have easily made this movie 30 or 40 millions less.

[Alexander JL]

Let's talk Star Wars here, people...

[spiderman_2k]

Originally posted by A35
Actually, T3's total is around $112.8 Million

I said "Its total at the weekend was £111.8 Million" So therefore i was not wrong.....

[A35]

Originally posted by el whip
i have not said that T3 is complete failure, but its not making its money as fast as it was supposed to be. T3 should have topped the 100 million mark in 4 days not 10. when T2 came out people kept going to the see it over and over again, thats not the case in T3. im gonna see it when it finally opens over here, but i don't know, it just doesn't look as cool and unique as the first 2 films.

Lets hope they learned their lesson and stop the Terminator films with this one or if they decide to make a 4th part MAKE IT CHEAPER!!! they could have easily made this movie 30 or 40 millions less.

No one really predicted the movie to make that much money in only 4 days, which doesn't really happen often with any movie. Besides, when you have other blockbusters out in the summer, one premiering a week after the other, its going to be more difficult to get record setting numbers. The T3 people knew coming in, it would be difficult. I don't think they were expecting record setting numbers. Making $112.8 million in 10+ days doesn't make it a failure at all. I've seen blockbusters that has taken even longer to make that much money.

Besides, there are plenty of people who are seeing T3 over and over again. Just go to the different websites, and see the posters who've seen the movie three and four times, already. The thing is, T3 has a lot of competition, which is something T2 didn't really have. Not to mention, there were others who are able to pirate T3 DVDs, and watch them online opposed to going to the movies, something that really wasn't possible in 1991. For T3 to make this much money, given the competition it has among other things, I think its a huge complishment.

As for the promos, I wouldn't put too much on them. The T3 promos weren't good, but to my surprise, the movie was descent. Others have definately said that. And, don't go into the movie, wanting it and expecting it to be a certain way (i.e., being exactly like the first two movies). I think that is a bad idea. Just go into the movie with an open mind, as we should with any movie.

[A35]

Originally posted by spiderman_2k
I said "Its total at the weekend was £111.8 Million" So therefore i was not wrong.....

I thought the weekend total was $110 million.

[redman]

this is a star wars thread.:rolleyes:

[Alexander JL]

Exactly :(

Now redman, whats you opinion on the new trilogy?

[A35]

As for the Prequel Triligoy, I think it stinks! The storylines are descent enough, but they are poorly executed. AOTC made the storylines worse, especially with the love story, and making Anakin a whiny fag, instead of a troubled soul.

Lucas is going to have to do a lot with Episode III, in order to redeem this trilogy.

[redman]

Originally posted by Alexander JL
Exactly :(

Now redman, whats you opinion on the new trilogy?

I've expressed my views on the OT in this thread, and I'll say it again, even though the stories are good, the acting and the script are so poor it makes me cringe at times. I've watched the OT a lot of times in an attempt to like them but theres not much to like IMO.

A lot of ppl agree and disagree, but the way to improve on TPM and AOTC, IMO, is for Lucas to give the role of director to someone else (Ivan Kershner) and to get help with the script, preferably from Lawrence Kasdan.

If u have a good script then the actors have more room to perform well and this hasnt been the case because all the actors in the OT are very capable.

[Bond AK 45]

I dont think of them as bad as the one who posted this topic but i do beleave 4,5, and 6 had more of a REAL feeling. But in the 70's and early 80's, the Special FX back then were not that great so movies realied more on acting of the idividuals then reliying on the FX's, and the new ones so far... Have ok acting and GREAT effects, but now days there are so many movies that have great effects and acting, like Lord of the Rings combins SUPERB effects with top notch acting and thats why so far EPI 1 and 2 have failed in the eyes of the DIE HARD Star Wars fans. I beleave that EPI 3 will be the best one because they have to act like they would just be gettin to EPI4 and I think it will make the NEW star wars ALL WORTH IT. TRUST ME

[Tim37ninjageniu]

The new ones suck. End of story.

[jediknight]

I think its because George Lucus is directing them. My favorite star wars movies were Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, he directed neither.

[Cloud Buster]

I don't think that Lucas' heart is in this trilogy the way it was in the origin